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Sanity -> Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/4/2011 3:21:56 PM)
Bush Light or Bush was right Take your pick: quote: Gitmo commission move the latest in a long line of Obama shifts Washington (CNN) - Those who have followed President Obama's stance on which court is appropriate to try accused terrorists can be forgiven for getting a severe case of whiplash. After all, it was candidate Obama in 2008 who made clear he intended to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility within a year of his presidency and put an end to military commissions there – the proceedings that extend only limited trial rights to accused terrorists. Then, it was President Obama who quickly signed an order calling for Guanatanomo's close while his Justice Department soon vowed that, in the interest of justice, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and other alleged 9/11 terrorists will be tried in civilian courts. But three years later – the same day Obama formally announced his reelection bid – Attorney General Eric Holder announced the alleged 9/11 terrorists will in fact not be tried in a civilian court but instead in a military trial at Guantanamo – the same court in the same facility Obama long ago promised would be shuttered. ... It was a prediction none other than former Vice President Dick Cheney – an ardent defender of the use of military commissions – made shortly into Obama's presidency: "I think the president will find, upon reflection, that to bring the worst of the worst terrorists inside the United States would be cause for great danger and regret in the years to come," he said during a speech to the American Enterprise Institute in 2009. Full article here

Politesub53 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/4/2011 5:19:40 PM)
Correct me if I am wrong, didnt Congress block the Presidents plans on this ?

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/4/2011 5:28:09 PM)
Yes, Republicans and Democrats both were forced to give Obama (can we begin calling him 'whiplash' yet?) a reality check. While campaigning, Obama made rafts and rafts of lofty promises which werent based in reality. The man didnt have a fucking clue, he had no experience in governance. Now we see how, three years later, he is finally getting a few chunky clues shoved down his throat. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Correct me if I am wrong, didnt Congress block the Presidents plans on this ?

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/4/2011 7:03:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Correct me if I am wrong, didnt Congress block the Presidents plans on this ? Yes. Not much of a testament to his leadership, is it? Or his management style, when you look at the timing.

Termyn8or -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/4/2011 9:23:38 PM)
FR So elect who then ? They all shift. They get in that office and the first meeting is with a bunch of people who lay it on the line. You are bankrupt, we own you, and if you try anything we will wreck your fucking economy worse than it is.. You will do what we say, let me show you this tape of JFK. Amazing the media never got that camera angle ain't it ? So sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, here is your first year's agenda ........... And the SS is RIGHT THERE, and in on it. Prove me wrong. And make me forget all the times those who sought that office reversed themselves, forgot about promises waiting for us to forget as well. Electing a President in this country is no more than changing the TV channel at newstime because you like the looks of the other guy better. Quit jacking off and think for a change. This happens every fucking four years, without fail. Why is that? Put your thinking cap on. T^T

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 5:57:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Correct me if I am wrong, didnt Congress block the Presidents plans on this ? Yes. Not much of a testament to his leadership, is it? Or his management style, when you look at the timing. Says he is a leader, and they are paranoid fucksticks who do not really believe in the constitution.

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 6:41:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Says he is a leader, and they are paranoid fucksticks who do not really believe in the constitution. "They," being the Democrat majorities in the House and Senate who blocked him, Ron?

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 6:43:03 AM)
As well as the republicans who overwhelmingly did so, if you are counting them in on the lie of Iraq, you got to count them on this side too.

Louve00 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 7:06:35 AM)
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Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 7:13:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail As well as the republicans who overwhelmingly did so, if you are counting them in on the lie of Iraq, you got to count them on this side too. [image]http://www.newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/bushobamacartoon.jpg[/image]

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 7:15:27 AM)
Your change of the subject confirms the truth of my post, Ron. Is it spring yet, in your part of the world? Have a lovely day.

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 7:21:11 AM)
Your not having a subject to begin with, and the distancing of the entire right, from republican all the way to nutsucker, and trying to foist the blame on Obama, confirms that there is massive dishonesty rife in your party, in other words, ssdd.

Politesub53 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 11:51:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Says he is a leader, and they are paranoid fucksticks who do not really believe in the constitution. "They," being the Democrat majorities in the House and Senate who blocked him, Ron? Either or Rich. My question was because I was wondering if President Obama was indeed shifty ( as presented by the thread title ) Or if it was the legislature that stopped him from doing as promised. If it was the later, then President Obama didnt break his word.

EternalHoH -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 2:22:06 PM)
Considering Obama has done a 180 on just about everything he campaigned on, one would hope for another 180 after winning in 2012 - that should put him on a 360 heading.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 7:47:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EternalHoH Considering Obama has done a 180 on just about everything he campaigned on, one would hope for another 180 after winning in 2012 - that should put him on a 360 heading. Wouldn't he be kinda ... dizzy ... by then? [:D][8D] Firm

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 8:01:07 PM)
Everyone would, except for his glee club Firm. Space cadets possessing 'the right stuff' can take various stresses that would make normal human beings pass out! [:)] quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Wouldn't he be kinda ... dizzy ... by then? [:D][8D] Firm

slvemike4u -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 8:21:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: EternalHoH Considering Obama has done a 180 on just about everything he campaigned on, one would hope for another 180 after winning in 2012 - that should put him on a 360 heading. Wouldn't he be kinda ... dizzy ... by then? [:D][8D] Firm Not that I agree with the original theory,but I am curious do you,Firm often get dizzy simply from one spin ? I would get that checked out,it could be indicative of an inner ear problem.[:)]

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/5/2011 9:32:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Either or Rich. My question was because I was wondering if President Obama was indeed shifty ( as presented by the thread title ) Or if it was the legislature that stopped him from doing as promised. If it was the later, then President Obama didnt break his word. Well, Polite, I have certain qualms about folks who think claiming incompetence is a valid reason to keep their jobs. If I hire a mechanic to replace the water pump on my car, him telling me, "oh, yeah, I forgot the gasket seal when I put on the new one," doesn't make him likely to get the job re-doing the cylinder head. There are a few ways to look at this. None of them say anything positive. A) He was clueless when he made the pledges about Guantanamo and the detainees, spouting idealism based in ignorance, and now knows better, but lacks the courage to say so. B) He was lying all along, this has been nothing but a show, with all that says about such a politician. C) He wanted to, and he really tried, and feels really bad that he just wasn't good enough, but he promises to try even harder if we give him four more years as the most powerful man on the planet. Really! He will!

MissAsylum -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/6/2011 4:10:14 AM)
That's not incompetence if he was not allowed to follow through on what he intended. If I had the intention and plan to go out on a friday night, and my mother tells me I can't, does that mean I lied about what I was going to do? As much as I like the idea of "well, if its a good idea (despite if we the people consider it a good idea or not), we all will go along with it, regardless of what party we are with" being the attitude of congress or the senate, that is never the case- good idea, bad idea, "wtf?" idea- doesn't matter. I'm just waiting for next week so there can be something else about what Obama "did, did not do, lied about...etc". He's like Jan from the "Brady Bunch"- everything is their fault.

MrRodgers -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/6/2011 4:41:50 AM)
Look, figure it out people. GITMO and the real, very profitable and world scaring 'War on Terror'...will NEVER end. Presidents will follow orders...or they die. Our constitution is under attack here and does not apply offshore at all. This problem is bi partisan the repubs just much more gleefully...go along, at least since Reagan. He did not want Bush I as VP at all. 6 months later, there they are. Reagan did NOT want to play ball. 69 days later...he was shot (and oh...by yet another troubled lone wolf) He played ball. Obama is following orders because he wants to...stay alive. All of this partisan rant is by design and we could elect Mary fucking Poppins and yet she would not close GITMO. She would double down on Afghanistan and perpetuate the stagnation of the politcal, social and financial advancement of Iraq, leaving it a chaotic, dependent state.

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