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slvemike4u -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 8:23:15 AM)
So you actually believe this is an intellectually honest example of you being "fair and balanced"?Okay I publically disown one Sam Webb.Now as a free service I have performed just for you I will tell you how to familiarize yourself with Mr.Webb...Google Communist Party USA.....MR Webb is one of their writers....and I totally disown him,his beliefs and mine do not mesh. Satisfied?

popeye1250 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 9:24:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u So you actually believe this is an intellectually honest example of you being "fair and balanced"?Okay I publically disown one Sam Webb.Now as a free service I have performed just for you I will tell you how to familiarize yourself with Mr.Webb...Google Communist Party USA.....MR Webb is one of their writers....and I totally disown him,his beliefs and mine do not mesh. Satisfied? Conservative Mike, your beliefs and Saul Alinski's beliefs wouldn't mesh, he'd be WAY to the right of you.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 12:25:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u So you actually believe this is an intellectually honest example of you being "fair and balanced"?Okay I publically disown one Sam Webb.Now as a free service I have performed just for you I will tell you how to familiarize yourself with Mr.Webb...Google Communist Party USA.....MR Webb is one of their writers....and I totally disown him,his beliefs and mine do not mesh. Satisfied? Nice try, mikey...but I said ACTIONS...not beliefs. Hell, everybody disagrees with beliefs...even within families. Actions are something different. And by the way, I didn't say for YOU to show Me where YOU disagree with someone from the left...hell, again, that is easy. I disagree with the hypocrisy of Newt preaching family values. But My disagreement with Newt and his actions does not mean shit to the media...what does is when one well-known frrom the right disagrees with the actions of another from the right OR when a group from the right disagrees with the actions of someone else from the right. The media LOVES to splash this stuff on its pages/monitors because it plays up "divisions among the right". frfro Like I said, show Me an instance of someone, either someone well-known or a group of people large enough to be covered, from the left disagreeing with the actions of someone from the left.

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 12:28:33 PM)
LOL. If you were widely read............... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/07/AR2010120707230.html that is just a quickie.

leadership527 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 12:53:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Show me an instance of someone on the left attacking someone else on the left...not for not being "progressive enough" but for their actions... I'm a "democrat"... as much as I can stomach being aligned with any of them anyway. I'm sorely disappointed in Obama. I'm disappointed not because of his left or right agenda or whether he's being "progressive enough" or not. I'm disappointed because he turned out to be an insufficient leader for the job at hand. I readily acknowledge that the job is a hard one... perhaps almost impossible. But hey, he signed up for it so I expect him to be able to do it. No excuses from this lefty. What IS the job? In my mind it has nothing to do with gitmo, health care reform, or the war in the country-du-jour. In my mind, Job #1 was getting the left and right of this country to remember that we are, in fact, one country with many different viewpoints and that our leaders lead for ALL of us. I had hoped that he'd be a force for unification in the government. He failed at that. The left continues to get lefter and the right righter and we all accept blatant lies from both sides and think of it as normal. We also gladly create our own lies (again, on both sides) as anyone reading this forum can attest to. I had hoped that he would be a real leader capable of leading us back to a UNITED states despite the fact that none of us want that. No such luck. There ya go CD. A leftist being totally unapologetic for Obama. ~Jeff

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 3:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Sounds about right. If there's a 4th possibility, I'm not seeing it. Can't believe I actually voted for this weak, empty, arrogant fraud of a man. You'd think I'd have known better, but I learned my lesson this time. Never again. And I want my change back, please. Yes, if we only had the Decider back all would be well. Was this supposed to be a reply to me, or did you quote the wrong post? Because I can't begin to understand how what you said has anything at all to do with what I said.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 3:20:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That falls under "A," Mike. Lot of "C" as well, I'd say. Just doesn't have the leadership qualities it takes to follow through on difficult promises. In fact, I don't think the guy even understands what leadership really is. If he does know, he sure hasn't given any indication thus far. Who is this guy? What does he even believe in? Does anyone even know? Does he even know? My only hope for him at this point is that he goes down in history as a mediocre president, because it's the only thing that would save him from being a very bad president - which he is well on his way to becoming. This country, at this moment in our history, can not afford weak leadership. But nevertheless, that's exactly what we elected in 2008, and we have 2 more years of it to endure. God help us.

slvemike4u -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 5:26:59 PM)
I'm sorry you feel that way Panda....I really am,but I have to tell you,I have never previously hoped someone was so totally wrong as I do right now. No hard feelings about it.....but I almost need you to be wrong, You see I'm still trying to live down having voted for Bush...I can not afford to have screwed up again.....and more than that,neither can this country.One look at the landscape indicates we are going to have him for four more years.For better or worse !

Charles6682 -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/7/2011 11:06:10 PM)
Obama has tried to unite this country.However,those on the far right like the Teabaggers won't have any of that.Compromise in any fashion does not work well for the.They really don't know how. I'm a "democrat"... as much as I can stomach being aligned with any of them anyway. I'm sorely disappointed in Obama. I'm disappointed not because of his left or right agenda or whether he's being "progressive enough" or not. I'm disappointed because he turned out to be an insufficient leader for the job at hand. I readily acknowledge that the job is a hard one... perhaps almost impossible. But hey, he signed up for it so I expect him to be able to do it. No excuses from this lefty. What IS the job? In my mind it has nothing to do with gitmo, health care reform, or the war in the country-du-jour. In my mind, Job #1 was getting the left and right of this country to remember that we are, in fact, one country with many different viewpoints and that our leaders lead for ALL of us. I had hoped that he'd be a force for unification in the government. He failed at that. The left continues to get lefter and the right righter and we all accept blatant lies from both sides and think of it as normal. We also gladly create our own lies (again, on both sides) as anyone reading this forum can attest to. I had hoped that he would be a real leader capable of leading us back to a UNITED states despite the fact that none of us want that. No such luck. There ya go CD. A leftist being totally unapologetic for Obama. ~Jeff

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/8/2011 6:10:00 PM)
"Obama has tried to unite this country..." Oh, THAT was what he was doing when he said Republicans could come along for the ride, but that they would have to shut up and sit at the back of the bus. I never would have guessed... [:D] And your "Teabagger" comment, is that a part of your personal effort to unite the country? quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 Obama has tried to unite this country.However,those on the far right like the Teabaggers won't have any of that.Compromise in any fashion does not work well for the.They really don't know how. I'm a "democrat"... as much as I can stomach being aligned with any of them anyway. I'm sorely disappointed in Obama. I'm disappointed not because of his left or right agenda or whether he's being "progressive enough" or not. I'm disappointed because he turned out to be an insufficient leader for the job at hand. I readily acknowledge that the job is a hard one... perhaps almost impossible. But hey, he signed up for it so I expect him to be able to do it. No excuses from this lefty. What IS the job? In my mind it has nothing to do with gitmo, health care reform, or the war in the country-du-jour. In my mind, Job #1 was getting the left and right of this country to remember that we are, in fact, one country with many different viewpoints and that our leaders lead for ALL of us. I had hoped that he'd be a force for unification in the government. He failed at that. The left continues to get lefter and the right righter and we all accept blatant lies from both sides and think of it as normal. We also gladly create our own lies (again, on both sides) as anyone reading this forum can attest to. I had hoped that he would be a real leader capable of leading us back to a UNITED states despite the fact that none of us want that. No such luck. There ya go CD. A leftist being totally unapologetic for Obama. ~Jeff

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/8/2011 7:19:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Charles6682 I'm sorely disappointed in Obama. I'm disappointed not because of his left or right agenda or whether he's being "progressive enough" or not. I'm disappointed because he turned out to be an insufficient leader for the job at hand. I readily acknowledge that the job is a hard one... perhaps almost impossible. But hey, he signed up for it so I expect him to be able to do it. No excuses from this lefty. No excuses, but you'll still vote for him, because ANY Republican is going to be the Devil (and they're so mean to President Obama when he's doing the very best he can). I wonder if a President has ever tried to court the sympathy vote, when running for re-election.

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/10/2011 10:21:56 AM)
The devil is right, the clear trend is for the left to try their damnedest to avoid discussing issues in favor of demonizing whoever it is theyre arguing or campaigning against, and at ever level. From these boards to national figures, thats their grand template, their modus operandi. quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic No excuses, but you'll still vote for him, because ANY Republican is going to be the Devil (and they're so mean to President Obama when he's doing the very best he can). I wonder if a President has ever tried to court the sympathy vote, when running for re-election.

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 6:52:28 AM)
When there is an issue based on facts to discuss, they are discussed, slobbering shit like 97% of planned parenthood pays for abortions, is not factual, and not an issue. Thats the rights problem; is actual fact, instead of nutsucker disinformation. One only need to read the thread title, and vaporous nutsucker lying here to obtain QED.

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 10:38:10 AM)
Hes kinda shifty on raising the debt ceiling as well: quote: WH: Obama regrets vote against raising debt limit [image]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/p/ap_logo_106.png[/image] WASHINGTON – The White House says President Barack Obama regrets his vote as a senator in 2006 against raising the debt limit. A fight over raising the debt limit is looming, and the White House is trying to explain away the apparent contradiction between Obama's previous opposition, and his position now that it must be increased. Full article here

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 10:42:03 AM)
Nowhere near as shifty as the nutsuckers who caved on the free abortions though, huh?

Sanity -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 10:47:59 AM)
In reality, more informed people are aware that its the asshole sucking leftists who caved on that one: quote: How Boehner got the best deal Speaker John Boehner did a brilliant job of negotiating the fiscal year 2011 budget deal that was reached less than two hours before the Friday deadline. Jennifer Rubin at her Right Turn Washington Post blog understood the shrewdness of his bargaining position. While many commentators were saying that Boehner was foolish to risk shutting down the government in order to defund Planned Parenthood in one of the riders he was seeking, Rubin recognizes that “This is how you get the best deal: Democrats need to ‘buy’ the rider with more cuts or take the rider and leave the cuts where they are. The way negotiators phrase this is, ‘There’s no deal on any issue unless there is a deal on all issues.’ And guess what? That’s what Boehner has been saying nearly every day. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Nowhere near as shifty as the nutsuckers who caved on the free abortions though, huh?

slvemike4u -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 10:50:44 AM)
So tea baggers all across the nation are happy with the majority leader?

mnottertail -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 11:16:16 AM)
Except that they didnt defund it, the nutsuckers caved. End of joke.

TheHeretic -> RE: Shifty President Shifts On Gitmo (4/11/2011 6:00:11 PM)
Now really, Sanity. What is the point of bringing this up at all, if you aren't going to highlight (then) Senator Obama's quote from the Senate floor, before voting against a raise of the debt ceiling? "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem." Barack Hussein Obama, 2006

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