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The point is that if a group takes tax money they shouldnt be allowed to donate to political campaigns, which that just makes sense. Imagine the pained howls we would hear from leftists if certain conservative groups were given tax money by Republican candidates, then took campaign contributions from those same groups.

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Women don't have to register and can still get loans, so why would you have to prove you have registered to get the loan?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Women don't have to register and can still get loans, so why would you have to prove you have registered to get the loan?

Because its only a requirement of males, 18 - 26.

http://www.finaid.org/students/selectiveservice.phtml

Selective Service Registration


Male students who fail to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 are ineligible for Federal student loan and grant programs, including Pell Grants, Federal Work Study, and Stafford Loans. (Parents who want to borrow a PLUS loan do not have to satisfy the registration requirement.) Several states have also made Selective Service registration a prerequisite for state financial aid and for matriculation at public colleges and universities.

Even if you disagree with the requirement, you should register. Failure to register can have a serious negative impact on your ability to obtain a driver's license, qualify for financial aid, pursue an education, or obtain employment.

If you are at least 18 years old and have not yet reached your 26th birthday, you can register by checking the appropriate box on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). (Note: If you are not yet 18, your data will not be transmitted to Selective Service and you will not be registered.) You can also register online at the Selective Service web site.

Additional information on this topic may be found on the Selective Service web site in the registration information section. (See also 34 CFR 668.37.) The Selective Service site includes a form that may be used to check a man's Selective Service registration. Registration may also be verified by calling 1-888-655-1825. The results will include the selective service number and the date registered.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The point is that if a group takes tax money they shouldnt be allowed to donate to political campaigns, which that just makes sense. Imagine the pained howls we would hear from leftists if certain conservative groups were given tax money by Republican candidates, then took campaign contributions from those same groups.

Georgia Pacific, a timber company subsidiary of Koch Industries, uses taxpayer money provided by the U.S. Forestry Service to provide their loggers with taxpayer-funded roads and access to virgin growth forests

Koch also had their hand out early for federal funds from the health care law it opposed.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/provisions/retirement/states/ks.html

There isnt a business I can think of that doesnt take tax payer money in some form or another.

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So whats your point taz? Do you honestly believe that my tax dollars should be given directly to lobbying groups? Is that what you are trying to establish?

Well sorry, but Im still not convinced.

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The point is that if a group takes tax money they shouldnt be allowed to donate to political campaigns, which that just makes sense. Imagine the pained howls we would hear from leftists if certain conservative groups were given tax money by Republican candidates, then took campaign contributions from those same groups.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Pops asked "If you're going to get student loans from the govt to go to college don't you have to prove that you registered for the draft if you're not a veteran?"

Women don't have to register and can still get loans, so why would you have to prove you have registered to get the loan?

I understand that they ask you about serving, but it isn't a requirement of the loan.

Do you understand why I was questioning him now?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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So whats your point taz? Do you honestly believe that my tax dollars should be given directly to lobbying groups? Is that what you are trying to establish?

Well sorry, but Im still not convinced.

My point is that the houlier-than-thou attitude really has to go, Sanity. Both do it. Why try and act like they dont when you make statements like...

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The point is that if a group takes tax money they shouldnt be allowed to donate to political campaigns, which that just makes sense. Imagine the pained howls we would hear from leftists if certain conservative groups were given tax money by Republican candidates, then took campaign contributions from those same groups.

If its ok for Koch to do it, why cant PP or any other group?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


So whats your point taz? Do you honestly believe that my tax dollars should be given directly to lobbying groups? Is that what you are trying to establish?

Well sorry, but Im still not convinced.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The point is that if a group takes tax money they shouldnt be allowed to donate to political campaigns, which that just makes sense. Imagine the pained howls we would hear from leftists if certain conservative groups were given tax money by Republican candidates, then took campaign contributions from those same groups.

Georgia Pacific, a timber company subsidiary of Koch Industries, uses taxpayer money provided by the U.S. Forestry Service to provide their loggers with taxpayer-funded roads and access to virgin growth forests

Koch also had their hand out early for federal funds from the health care law it opposed.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/provisions/retirement/states/ks.html

There isnt a business I can think of that doesnt take tax payer money in some form or another.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Women don't have to register and can still get loans, so why would you have to prove you have registered to get the loan?

Because its only a requirement of males, 18 - 26.

http://www.finaid.org/students/selectiveservice.phtml

Selective Service Registration


Male students who fail to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 are ineligible for Federal student loan and grant programs, including Pell Grants, Federal Work Study, and Stafford Loans. (Parents who want to borrow a PLUS loan do not have to satisfy the registration requirement.) Several states have also made Selective Service registration a prerequisite for state financial aid and for matriculation at public colleges and universities.

Even if you disagree with the requirement, you should register. Failure to register can have a serious negative impact on your ability to obtain a driver's license, qualify for financial aid, pursue an education, or obtain employment.

If you are at least 18 years old and have not yet reached your 26th birthday, you can register by checking the appropriate box on the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). (Note: If you are not yet 18, your data will not be transmitted to Selective Service and you will not be registered.) You can also register online at the Selective Service web site.

Additional information on this topic may be found on the Selective Service web site in the registration information section. (See also 34 CFR 668.37.) The Selective Service site includes a form that may be used to check a man's Selective Service registration. Registration may also be verified by calling 1-888-655-1825. The results will include the selective service number and the date registered.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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Yes, but serving is not a requirement. So why would you have to prove you registered for the draft if you haven't served?

Ummm. . . because it is a law that on your 18th birthday, as a male, you must register for selective service (the draft).
They ask about drugs as well.

You cannot have been busted for drug use in any form or not registered for selective service in order to get a student loan.

Registering with the selective service is not the same as being a veteran.

It is an either/or. Register for the draft pr join your branch of choice.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Sorry, no. Putting the money through a shell game still doesnt make it acceptable.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
No you ass...Her point is that despite PP receiving a portion of their money from public funds.....the remaining portion is from private donations.Keeping the two sums separate,and ascertaining that  public money is used only for those reasons it is legal to do so ,is a matter of accounting.

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I graduated in '90 and went to grad school in the mid 90's, and I received student loans.

No one ever asked me for that information.

So either the rules have changed or it was checked without my knowledge.

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Sorry taz, thats another red herring. The argument stands on its own, its not acceptable for anyone even if you can find instances of others doing something similar. Further, Ive never suggested its okay for anyone to do it and Ive never suggested that others cant or havent done it.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Sorry, no. Putting the money through a shell game still doesnt make it acceptable.

Well there you go,sanity doesn't find the practice acceptable.That's that I guess....of course whether sanity finds it acceptable or not doesn't matter one little tiny bit......his opinion is irrelevant ,as are most of his posts.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
How is it a red herring when it relates directly back to what you claimed.... that the Dems would scream if a republican was found to be doing it... and I have proved its been done. No one is screaming.

As far as the shell game, you have to provide some form of proof that PP is doing that, and I feel certain many groups have tried, and failed.

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A far better example would be if the government were giving tax dollars to the Moral Majority or someone such as James O'Keefe who then financed Republican campaigns.