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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:01:12 PM   
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Did any of you lefties out here ever hear of Paul Ryan ? He has a budget proposal that Obama and the dems want nothing to do with. Why, it cuts across the board..

The one even the Heritage Foundation said was not accurate?

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:02:47 PM   
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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:05:48 PM   
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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:34:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Steven, If you don't like Paul Ryans plan, where do we start ? Spending has to be cut. We can't keep going the way we are. The money isn't there.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:35:24 PM   
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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		your dear leader o'dumbo and hairy reed are causing a shutdown, which isn't really a shutdown by the way. You libtards don't seem to understand we are in a crisis, a FREAKING CRISIS. It's not too little revenue, IT IS TOO MUCH FREAKING SPENDING! See, this is why it does not good to try to reason with libtards because liberalism is a mental disorder. You just beat them. No talk, just do. Republicans want a 61 billion dollar cut, a freaking DROP IN THE BUCKET to the dear leader/pelosi/hairy reed/libtard created deficit. I say shut'r down and see if anybody notices. you libtards have put so many people on the dole, dependent on Father O'dumbo, they get all jittery about this. This is what we get when you elect such an unqualified disaster. And yes, I'd still like to know where the skinny creep was born. So go Trump go. Maybe it takes his independent wealth to ferret out the truth. He can't be bought. I doubt he can be scared. Isn't it odd that there is literally nothing about the Dear Leader until he is an adult? I find that incredibly odd.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:42:11 PM   
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He was a conservative. You little pathetic piece of dishonest crap.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:48:40 PM   
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your dear leader o'dumbo and hairy reed are causing a shutdown, which isn't really a shutdown by the way. You libtards don't seem to understand we are in a crisis, a FREAKING CRISIS. It's not too little revenue, IT IS TOO MUCH FREAKING SPENDING! See, this is why it does not good to try to reason with libtards because liberalism is a mental disorder. You just beat them. No talk, just do. Republicans want a 61 billion dollar cut, a freaking DROP IN THE BUCKET to the dear leader/pelosi/hairy reed/libtard created deficit. I say shut'r down and see if anybody notices. you libtards have put so many people on the dole, dependent on Father O'dumbo, they get all jittery about this. This is what we get when you elect such an unqualified disaster. And yes, I'd still like to know where the skinny creep was born. So go Trump go. Maybe it takes his independent wealth to ferret out the truth. He can't be bought. I doubt he can be scared. Isn't it odd that there is literally nothing about the Dear Leader until he is an adult? I find that incredibly odd.


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:55:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who cares if it shuts down. ? And why do we need to pay ' non essential ' employees ' anyway. ' ? If they are non esential, why do we need them ?

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 6:59:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

your dear leader o'dumbo and hairy reed are causing a shutdown, which isn't really a shutdown by the way. You libtards don't seem to understand we are in a crisis, a FREAKING CRISIS. It's not too little revenue, IT IS TOO MUCH FREAKING SPENDING! See, this is why it does not good to try to reason with libtards because liberalism is a mental disorder. You just beat them. No talk, just do. Republicans want a 61 billion dollar cut, a freaking DROP IN THE BUCKET to the dear leader/pelosi/hairy reed/libtard created deficit. I say shut'r down and see if anybody notices. you libtards have put so many people on the dole, dependent on Father O'dumbo, they get all jittery about this. This is what we get when you elect such an unqualified disaster. And yes, I'd still like to know where the skinny creep was born. So go Trump go. Maybe it takes his independent wealth to ferret out the truth. He can't be bought. I doubt he can be scared. Isn't it odd that there is literally nothing about the Dear Leader until he is an adult? I find that incredibly odd.


Deinstitutionalization really was a bad idea, wasn't it?
Can't we blame Reagan for that?  just asking .


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:09:43 PM   
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I feel the Debt Commission laid out a reliable,realistic plan to cut the defict in a responisble way.Its a matter of budget cuts,revenue enhancers,closing special tax loop holes that does not benefit the overall economy in any way.


What has Obama done with the Debt Commission plan? I've not heard. Thanks.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Arturas, he has ignored the debt commission..

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:30:41 PM   
Arturas


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Status: offline 		I understand America is broke and underwater and it's bad enough that expenses must be dramatically cut and revenue dramatically increased or we will no longer be able to borrow money because nobody will lend it to us and then we shut down the government for real. I suspect Congress will NOT fix this issue properly right now because they are politicians lead by a community organizer so will do a short sided compromise and avoid or shorten an immediate shutdown and then not too far down the road the Chinese will stop lending and we shutdown for real with troops stuck on the other side of the planet and no gas to go get them or we stop making payments, go get our troops and bring them home and good thing because then the budget balances itself, as budgets always do painfully when borrowing stops, and most Government workers are out of a job, the military budget is decimated (See Britain) and entitlements are a sick joke about the past and then things will change for better or worse, "real change".

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:35:35 PM   
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Arturas, he has ignored the debt commission..



Then either he appointed some idiots and we should hold him responsible for that or he used them as cover so he looks like he is doing something and we should hold him responsible for that.

But maybe not. After all, he is a Community Organizer and we all knew that when he was elected so who is responsible for this fiasco then, the voters? I would suppose so.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:35:39 PM   
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your dear leader o'dumbo and hairy reed are causing a shutdown, which isn't really a shutdown by the way. You libtards don't seem to understand we are in a crisis, a FREAKING CRISIS. It's not too little revenue, IT IS TOO MUCH FREAKING SPENDING! See, this is why it does not good to try to reason with libtards because liberalism is a mental disorder. You just beat them. No talk, just do. Republicans want a 61 billion dollar cut, a freaking DROP IN THE BUCKET to the dear leader/pelosi/hairy reed/libtard created deficit. I say shut'r down and see if anybody notices. you libtards have put so many people on the dole, dependent on Father O'dumbo, they get all jittery about this. This is what we get when you elect such an unqualified disaster. And yes, I'd still like to know where the skinny creep was born. So go Trump go. Maybe it takes his independent wealth to ferret out the truth. He can't be bought. I doubt he can be scared. Isn't it odd that there is literally nothing about the Dear Leader until he is an adult? I find that incredibly odd.


Republicans want to put caps on medicaid, which will cause deaths. Republicans don't want to cut military spending so less soldiers die in wars. Republicans don't want to raise taxes on the rich, a solution that wouldn't kill anyone. As a liberal, I realize cuts need to be made. Unlike republicans, I draw the line at cuts that kill people. If not wanting cuts that kill people makes me mentally ill, what does it make republicans that want people to die? Saints?


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:37:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This debt problem will never get fixed for this reason. Our esteemed pliticians are more interested in keeping their cushy jobs than they are in making the right choices.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cutting entitlements kills. Cutting defense saves lives.

How is this? ...C'mon, you cut military spending now and the jackanapes-in-chief will just be sending our guys to Libya without body armor just in time to score points for the next election.

I hate stupid people. Oh, right. That's why I never post here. Man, I'm dumb.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 7:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was against the war in Iraq. I'm against the war in Libya. I think we need to spend less money on military, bring our troops home, and stop policing the world. No war means no more dead soldiers. I also think we need to tax the shit out of the corporations that laid off American workers and shipped their jobs overseas. They're the ones that ruined the economy. Why isn't that a better idea than killing innocent people?

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 8:05:16 PM   
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Everyone on your knees. The Messiah is speaking about the budget..


Its really freaky that you are calling yourself the Messiah.

Now, how about responding to my post about Ryan's budget proposal.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/7/2011 8:19:52 PM   
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I feel the Debt Commission laid out a reliable,realistic plan to cut the defict in a responisble way.Its a matter of budget cuts,revenue enhancers,closing special tax loop holes that does not benefit the overall economy in any way.


The debt commission gets about a D- in my book.  They don't fail because they actually acknowledge that both our spending AND our historically low tax rates are BOTH unsustainable, but the bipartisan nature of the commission doomed it from having any real chance of producing a realistic proposal.  The vast, vast majority of the savings in the commission's report come from their assumption that we can bring spending on healthcare into line with the rest of the world, instead of continuing to be the 2nd worst country in the world at containing costs (hey, we beat East Timor!).  Unfortunately, the Democrats wouldn't endorse the conservative idea of deregulating everything about the healthcare industry and assuming the free market would fix itself, while the Republicans wouldn't endorse the liberal idea that we could bring our spending closer to the rest of the world's by using the same system they do (single payer).  So the commission's final report assumes we will end up bring our spending on healthcare down significantly while saying absolutely nothing about how we accomplish that.  THAT'S why the commission has largely been ignored - the report basically comes down to saying "and magically, our healthcare spending will be cut in half."

For the impasse on passing a CR, when one party is holding the CR hostage to non-fiscal issues, it's pretty clear to me which party I'm going to hold responsible if the government does shut down.

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