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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:01:55 AM   
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No Butch ,it is not"still up in the air" they can not effectively shrink the deficit,while solely targeting the poor and woman to bear the brunt of the pain.A drip in a bucket is all that is there....now if they wish to expand their horizons ...and consider raising tax rates,slashing defense...perhaps the issue will actually get "in the air"...alas that is not on the tea baggers table at this time.


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:06:01 AM   
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Let me ask you guys this, who had control of the House, Senate and the Oval Office in September of 2010?

Let me further ask you when is the budget supposed to be submitted and the approved by?

It was the Democrats who pushed for a 6 month budget knowing the election was forthcoming.So once again, the truth shows that it's the Democrats that are to blame for this fucking fiasco.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:09:22 AM   
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Let me ask you this....is it September of 2010...or April of 2011?
In other words,for those just a little dense(yes you subrob) today is today,and let us deal with reality as it actually is.


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:10:40 AM   
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Maybe I am wrong but I think the tea party, we are all up in the air about, do want cuts in all areas of government. They want us to live within our means.

Yes the healthcare bill was the straw along with the bail outs but they want cuts across the board…including defense.

Wouldn’t it be great if we had to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan…Iraq…Libya…and Western Europe?

Let the rest of the world fight their own wars…and we could then afford universal healthcare

Hey then we could afford to subsidize our industry to gain back world industrial domination...lol

Butch

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:11:08 AM   
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the 'supposed' is never.  the budget proposals were too far apart last year, and seem to be too far apart this year, because; in typical fashion, there are all sorts of riders and porcine addons, this time by nutsuckers.  thanks for not having any facts at your disposal, and just wading into the fray.  very helpful. 

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:14:46 AM   
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Butch I need to ask this,and this is an honest question,not an attempt at snark.
Do you actually believe that were we to magically achieve all you suggested...and money was not the issue.....that "universal health care" would be warmly received?
From where I sit,even with taking money out of the equation there would still be those on the right screaming about "socilized medicine" and demanding that the gov't get "their hands off my medicare"


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:28:09 AM   
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quote:

Do you actually believe that were we to magically achieve all you suggested...and money was not the issue.....that "universal health care" would be warmly received?



NO


But I do believe the majority would warmly receive it if we could afford it...I would and I speak for the majority... at least Sanity says i do...

Butch

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:28:37 AM   
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quote:

Maybe I am wrong but I think the tea party, we are all up in the air about, do want cuts in all areas of government. They want us to live within our means.


As proven by Ryan's proposal, a proposal that wont affect him or any of his constituents 55 or over by a overhaul of medicare that isnt much different than privatizing social security. Convenient.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:31:47 AM   
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Unless I am mistaken...again...did not the Democrats want cuts in Medicare as well...say when was the last raise recipients got under Obama?

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:34:30 AM   
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slvemike. You forget that this all started before the November elections - that is why the democrats lost the House and nealy lost the Senate. The President doesn't give a rats ass about this country, you, me, or anyone but himself. He and his vicepres take off when they need to be in Washington taking care of business and then try to put the blame on others. There is no leadership from those that are suppose to be the leaders.

you are as old as I am. There isn't any 6 million senior going hungry or eating dog food. That is just a number without statistics to back it up! Show me the data! Where is the proof?! THERE IS NONE!!! If it was in a court of law, it would not stand up to the light of PROOF. I don't believe anything either side saids without PROOF. The PROOF does hold that the US is bound to end up like Greece if we don't slow down spending on DUMB things. If you ran your business like the government does, your stockholders, board, or whatever would fire you, and put you in jail (and maybe not in that order).

The insanity esculates when you make it easier for illegal aliens can get more services than citizens can. That there is why social services are stretched to the limits an why social security is alway about to go bankrupt. If you take those away from illegal aliens two things will happen immediatily: 1. The flow of illegal alians into the US will dramadicly slow down and 2. the cost of services, taxes will go down and Social Security will be come solvent on its own.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 10:40:27 AM   
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Show us the same proofs of your post, you require of others.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 11:25:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

There seems to be enough of that going around no matter what the "facts" are.
I can and do see that there is blame to be laid on both sides beside my obvious partisanship.


Do you? Why are you always so quick to respond with a slam against the republicans then...and go along with your fellow partisan Charles...rather than just saying what you have said above? Can;t resist jumping on the "it's all the Republican's fault" bandwagon?

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 11:28:14 AM   
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First, I have NEVER seen any statistics on the claim of 6million seniors going hungry, Second, it HAS been proven that the increased load from illegal alians have put a strain the health care system, an increase number of wealfare reciepiants, increased costs in the criminal justice system, increased crime (remember the criminals Cuba sent over mingeled with other refugies).

The majority of illegals will tell you they come here for the services, and free stuff they can't get in their home country. They send nearly all of the money they make here to their relatives out of the country and live in free housing, free food, and free medical care. Since they have no health insurance, the citizens have to pay for their doctor bills through higher taxes - they mostly work for cash. I've looked to see what other countries require - you can't get healthcare, government help, a job, make money in any way or send it out of the country WITHOUT BECOMING A CITIZEN if you were not born there.

The above is not my opinion, but facts that can be verified and are IGNORED!!
The United States has never built a fence around itself - this has changed - today a fence is being built starting from the Texas border on the gulf FACT!!

What I said earlier is also facts IF YOU DARE TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT IS OUT THERE. I have seen the numbers from the people that gather the data. It is public.

There is no magic wand, pill, or policy - just the FACTS that are for all to see and quit ignoring them.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 12:13:30 PM   
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Short and sweet, you got nothing.  Thanks.

Unfortunately, the situation is such that the nutsuckers in congress are as misinformed as the nutsuckers on the street.



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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 12:28:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ATEXEN

First, I have NEVER seen any statistics on the claim of 6million seniors going hungry, Second, it HAS been proven that the increased load from illegal alians have put a strain the health care system, an increase number of wealfare reciepiants, increased costs in the criminal justice system, increased crime (remember the criminals Cuba sent over mingeled with other refugies).

The majority of illegals will tell you they come here for the services, and free stuff they can't get in their home country. They send nearly all of the money they make here to their relatives out of the country and live in free housing, free food, and free medical care. Since they have no health insurance, the citizens have to pay for their doctor bills through higher taxes - they mostly work for cash. I've looked to see what other countries require - you can't get healthcare, government help, a job, make money in any way or send it out of the country WITHOUT BECOMING A CITIZEN if you were not born there.

The above is not my opinion, but facts that can be verified and are IGNORED!!
The United States has never built a fence around itself - this has changed - today a fence is being built starting from the Texas border on the gulf FACT!!

What I said earlier is also facts IF YOU DARE TO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT IS OUT THERE. I have seen the numbers from the people that gather the data. It is public.

There is no magic wand, pill, or policy - just the FACTS that are for all to see and quit ignoring them.





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Every night, 51 million people in the U.S. go to bed hungry. Of those who don't have enough to eat, 6 million older adults are going without food. These numbers are unacceptable. It's sad to know that the richest country in the world can't provide enough food for its citizens, whether young or old.

AARP provided the above statistics. AARP members, staff and volunteers have fought valiantly for years to make America aware of the hunger crisis among elderly persons. Watch and listen to an online multimedia presentation by photojournalist Christopher Anderson and audio journalist Jonathan Miller (with the assistance of food bank worker, Nancy Hueske). The four-part presentation began in November 2010, with "Hungry in America, Part 1: A Little Goes a Long Way". Part 2 is also available as of January 2011, and is titled, "Hungry in America, Part 2: Hard Choices".

America's Fight Against Hunger a Growing Crisis for Older People Read more at Suite101: America's Fight Against Hunger a Growing Crisis for Older People http://www.suite101.com/content/americas-fight-against-hunger-a-growing-crisis-for-older-people-a336421#ixzz1Ixg6LWYJ


There is your proof on the number of elderly that go hungry in the US.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 2:01:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ATEXEN

slvemike. You forget that this all started before the November elections - that is why the democrats lost the House and nealy lost the Senate. The President doesn't give a rats ass about this country, you, me, or anyone but himself. He and his vicepres take off when they need to be in Washington taking care of business and then try to put the blame on others. There is no leadership from those that are suppose to be the leaders.

you are as old as I am. There isn't any 6 million senior going hungry or eating dog food. That is just a number without statistics to back it up! Show me the data! Where is the proof?! THERE IS NONE!!! If it was in a court of law, it would not stand up to the light of PROOF. I don't believe anything either side saids without PROOF. The PROOF does hold that the US is bound to end up like Greece if we don't slow down spending on DUMB things. If you ran your business like the government does, your stockholders, board, or whatever would fire you, and put you in jail (and maybe not in that order).

The insanity esculates when you make it easier for illegal aliens can get more services than citizens can. That there is why social services are stretched to the limits an why social security is alway about to go bankrupt. If you take those away from illegal aliens two things will happen immediatily: 1. The flow of illegal alians into the US will dramadicly slow down and 2. the cost of services, taxes will go down and Social Security will be come solvent on its own.

Once factual errors exceed a bakers dozen....my desire to respond goes south.Come back with some more truth and or actual facts and we can trade posts.


       Here is a free head start for you..... illegal aliens are actually a win/win for the Social Security system.....it works like this...they work for years and years under false SSN's...paying into the system all the way.....and never ever take anything out of the system because their false numbers will not ever,ever stand up to the scrutiny one goes thru to collect.
So find another scapegoat for this particular rant of yours.....get your ducks in order and come back when you are better prepared.


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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 2:50:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

There seems to be enough of that going around no matter what the "facts" are.
I can and do see that there is blame to be laid on both sides beside my obvious partisanship.


Do you? Why are you always so quick to respond with a slam against the republicans then...and go along with your fellow partisan Charles...rather than just saying what you have said above? Can;t resist jumping on the "it's all the Republican's fault" bandwagon?


A) yes
B) Because I can and they have  deserved it, They are a disgrace to humankind.
C) I have disagreed with Charles more than I have agreed with him. sources please
D) The repubs are the ones wanting to hurt the poor, unemployed, the sick and women and kids. That is reprehensible to me.
Also Im not an american and I have a total difference of opinion and outlook  because of the cultures I have lived in,
And I am allowed to disagree with anyone I choose.
Dont like it? tough shit




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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 2:52:06 PM   
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By rights then we should never see him here again then
However I dont hold out  much hope




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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 2:56:38 PM   
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The "threat" of a government shutdown is really over the tyrants wanting to raise the debt limit. If they raise America's debt limit AGAIN, it'll put America at another historic level, with no end in sight to how far America will sink. However, this is but one key step in the larger picture of forcing the United States to NEED a North American Union and a single North American unit of currency to be called The Amero. Google those.

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RE: Will Republicans cause yet again another government... - 4/8/2011 2:59:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

By rights then we should never see him here again then
However I dont hold out  much hope



Let's be fair,on pages that welcome the likes of Popeye.RealOne,Sanity and ArizonaBossMan....can we exclude him?


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