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LadyPact -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 9:47:55 AM)
I'd probably be sticking with mfmm. I think it's just the difference between us using a different way to denote it. I'm guessing that you're using the capital "F" to either call attention to the person who is the main focus or to indicate a power structure of some kind. Since not all of Mine having included the latter (the specific of My being 'the Dominant' in the encounters/no power structure in place) that's why I don't specifically cap the initial for the female.

VaguelyCurious -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 9:48:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 quote: ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious Is there notation for a threesome without a focal point/with one that shifts? o-r-g-y [:D] Nu-uh; general consensus in my circle of friends (feel free to add a 'nudge nudge wink wink' joke of some description in your head) is that an orgy is minimum five or so people. [:D] <--masturbation [:D][:D] <--normal sex [:D][:D][:D] <--threesome [:D][:D][:D][:D] <--foursome [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]<--orgy See? [8D]

chano -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 9:57:12 AM)
I'm a pansexual guy and I'll say I don't really think there's a scientific correlation between the two. I think it might just all be incidental.

Rochsub2009 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 10:03:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm guessing that you're using the capital "F" to either call attention to the person who is the main focus or to indicate a power structure of some kind. That's correct. But I understand why my system wouldn't work for the scenario that you described. All of my experience has been with D/s threesomes and foursomes, so there was always a dominant female who was the center of attention. I hadn't really thought about situations where that's not the case, since those are outside of my experience.

Rochsub2009 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 10:06:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious [:D] <--masturbation [:D][:D] <--normal sex [:D][:D][:D] <--threesome [:D][:D][:D][:D] <--foursome [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]<--orgy Good chart! I can agree with that.

popeye1250 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 2:37:11 PM)
They are to us Dominants. If their Domx"ordered" them to perform fellatio on another man 99% of them would probably do it. I have nothing against Gays, I get along just fine with them and respect them as people but some of them would simply rather remain in the closet for whatever reason.

OttersSwim -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 2:49:18 PM)
Wow...nearly 16,000 posts and you haven't yet figured out that: Submissive males are not all gay. That an act does not make one gay. That being male and submissive does not necessarily put one in denial of anything. And finally... That you don't represent any other dominant folk but yourself. Perhaps you need to read more slowly and reflect on what you are reading...

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 3:29:13 PM)
Anyone responding to the OP's profile would need want to watch another man having sex with the OP. In other words if a sub man wasn't interested in being up close to another naked man then there would be no reason to respond. Its no surprise that she only seems to get responses from guys who want to take things a bit further and touch the other man's penis. I'm comfortable with my sexuality, being told I'm gay by complete strangers just reinforces what I already know about our society and people in general. Lots of labels get attached to sub men, being automatically gay is a new one but its generally as vapid as the label of being weak in real life. Pro Dominas sometimes say they see a lot of sub men who are in positions of power in daily life. Since sessions are kind of expensive that label might be one of the more accurate ones.

LadyPact -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 5:01:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 They are to us Dominants. That might be true for some, but probably not the case of all Dominants. quote: If their Domx"ordered" them to perform fellatio on another man 99% of them would probably do it. Are you saying that if you ordered your female sub to orally please another women, you would expect her to disobey? Would a female then be considered gay as well? quote: I have nothing against Gays, I get along just fine with them and respect them as people but some of them would simply rather remain in the closet for whatever reason. I think most people know how to examine themselves and determine their own sexuality, rather than a stranger attempting to label others.

Politesub53 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 5:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 They are to us Dominants. If their Domx"ordered" them to perform fellatio on another man 99% of them would probably do it. I have nothing against Gays, I get along just fine with them and respect them as people but some of them would simply rather remain in the closet for whatever reason. More crass generalisations from you Popeye. I`m used to that from the politics forum. Are suggesting there are no closet gay male dominants then ? It is hard to believe that even you agree with the crap you write.

SnowRanger -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/15/2011 7:46:25 PM)
To the OP: Not only no but HELL NO!

catize -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/16/2011 12:10:41 PM)
quote: So, what do you think? The title of this post is ill-considered at best and inflammatory at worst.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/16/2011 6:32:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop There'a a difference.. oy is more along the lines of exasperation / frustration. oi is more of "HEY!!" (at least in my experience/interpretation, ymmv) There is ( again, IME) a slight pronunciation difference.... I'm guessing the difference sound-wise would be due to tone..."oy" with frustration in the voice would definitely sound different than "oi" with more exhilaration in the voice. But I guess that would be obvious. ;) Consider me "learned" about "oy" and "oi"...grins quote: ORIGINAL: catize quote: So, what do you think? The title of this post is ill-considered at best and inflammatory at worst. Yup. That exemplifies my thoughts.

popeye1250 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/19/2011 12:06:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OttersSwim Wow...nearly 16,000 posts and you haven't yet figured out that: Submissive males are not all gay. That an act does not make one gay. That being male and submissive does not necessarily put one in denial of anything. And finally... That you don't represent any other dominant folk but yourself. Perhaps you need to read more slowly and reflect on what you are reading... Otterswim, of course not but not "all" subs engage in homosexual acts either. Instead of "generalizing" why don't you just ask them? Individually. Perhaps I should have said "none" of them are Gay? Would that give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside? But then I'd be generalizing.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/19/2011 7:12:09 PM)
Popeye - Am I to understand that you think that everything a submissive person does in response to an order is in fact something that they secretly desire to do? sunshine

popeye1250 -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/20/2011 10:21:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss Popeye - Am I to understand that you think that everything a submissive person does in response to an order is in fact something that they secretly desire to do? sunshine No. I was answering the question in the title of this thread; "Are Sub Men Just Closet Gays." My answer is "yes", what's yours? You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM. I'd never "hang out" with a sub male. We have nothing in common.

KayxSlut -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/27/2011 5:19:18 PM)
I don't really know. I know my fiance is generally dominant, but every once in a while he likes it when i dominate him. He likes it when I hold him down and make him beg for it. He would never crossdress or do anything bi. He likes being sub once in a while, but nothing crazy. He doesnt even like handcuffs. And actually, sometimes when I act dominant it makes him crazy and almost makes him sexually pissed off, then he takes control and almost punishes me for making him beg. It works well.

sunshinemiss -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/27/2011 5:34:37 PM)
ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss Popeye - Am I to understand that you think that everything a submissive person does in response to an order is in fact something that they secretly desire to do? sunshine quote: No. I was answering the question in the title of this thread; "Are Sub Men Just Closet Gays." My answer is "yes", what's yours? My answer is no. People do many things for different motivations. Pleasing one's partner is a pretty strong motivator for a lot of folks, particularly people who orient toward submission. quote: You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM. Pardon me for not agreeing with you, but you're wrong. YOU may view people that way, and your self-selecting group of friends may as well (birds of a feather and all that), but no. You're just plain wrong. quote: I'd never "hang out" with a sub male. That may be the only true thing in this mess that you've said. quote: We have nothing in common. Is that right? Need for affection, wanting to belong, human need for interaction, love of life, hobbies, interestes, jobs, desire for self and loved ones to be safe and healthy, religion, philosophy, patriotism, etc. notwithstanding of course. Doing something that one is not oriented toward does not make one the general do-er of the action. There are women who will stay with a man to feed their children. Some would call this prostitution. I would not. Some people would learn how to cook despite having no taste buds or inclination to cook but still not be a chef. A woman who has sex with another woman for a camera is not a lesbian. A person who kills themselves in order to save an airplane full of people is not suicidal. Action does not equal orientation. Being gay is about who you love, who makes you want to be a better person. Do I think there are SOME people who are closeted and who DO want to come out as gay and will engage in certain behaviors? Sure. But the logic of the original post of this thread is just way off as is your prejudice. It just doesn't have a leg to stand on. best, sunshine

PeonForHer -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/28/2011 7:52:31 AM)
quote: You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM. Really? I'd like to meet one of those. I eat meatheads like that for breakfast. [;)]

LadyConstanze -> RE: Are sub men just closet gays? (4/28/2011 8:00:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 No. I was answering the question in the title of this thread; "Are Sub Men Just Closet Gays." My answer is "yes", what's yours? You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM. I'd never "hang out" with a sub male. We have nothing in common. I have met submissive guys who are bisexual, hardly any that were exclusively homosexual (I guess I don't appear "manly enough" to them and they prefer male doms) and quite a lot of them that were straight, in fact the majority of them was straight, quite a few of them were very successful and highly educated Alpha males who like submission because it's what turns them on. Was that what you mean with having nothing in common with them?

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