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slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:17:30 PM)

Okay,after that last post I now see there is no need at all to reply....you are not exactly mainstream heh?
Are you by chance taking any steps for the coming conflagration ?




Lucylastic -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:18:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

Oh, just one more thought...since we were taken off the gold standard here in the USA back in the 70's what do you think our currency is currently backed by? Dirty secret, it is backed by oil. That is correct, the US Dollar is the only currency currently accepted in the world markets to buy and sell oil as a commodity. If we do not start drilling soon other nations will change that for us, without our approval. If the Chinese Yuan is the curreny that is accepted world wide to buy and sell oil and gas, how much do you think our dollars will be worth? We owe so much money now that we cannot possibly pay off the national debt and our government officials are bickering over infinitessimal cuts.

Imagine that you have a monthly budget of $3,830.00 USD and you are currently having to borrow $1,750.00 USD each month from friends and neighbors. If you go to your household and tell the members of the house that the economy is tough and you have to make some drastic cuts and you have to get spending under control and you have decided to stop buying pay per view movies on cable so that you can balance the budget by saving $38.30 a month, how long do you think your friends and neighbors will continue to loan you money?

That is what our brilliant leaders have done, our budget for the fiscal year 2011 which runs from October 2010 to September 2011 is $3,830,000,000,000.00 and they cut $38,300,000,000.00 that leaves us borrowing still at an anual rate of $1,750,000,000,000.00 per year and the interest is over $4,000,000,000.00 per DAY! We cannot do this any longer. Give up the idea of government health care, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid and social security and anything else that is not directly related to national defense, (we are going to definitely need national defense when the world realizes we are broke and comes to collect the debt) and start selling off all federal real estate that is not a necessary office building. No more yellowstone park unless the siera club wants to buy it. No more endless tracts of millions of acres in every state in the western USA, sell it off and pay the debt.


You forgot cutting the NEA and PP oh and NPR




slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:19:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Europeans tho-= do not exchange the tire air- summer air- and winter air.  Hence the US is more efficient.
I can not recall the last time I changed my "summer air" or my "winter-air"...perhaps that is just something they do up round your way  [8|]




Lucylastic -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:20:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Europeans tho-= do not exchange the tire air- summer air- and winter air.  Hence the US is more efficient.
I can not recall the last time I changed my "summer air" or my "winter-air"...perhaps that is just something they do up round your way  [8|]


Thankyou I thought I was missing something too, beyond the normal





slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:20:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

Oh, just one more thought...since we were taken off the gold standard here in the USA back in the 70's what do you think our currency is currently backed by? Dirty secret, it is backed by oil. That is correct, the US Dollar is the only currency currently accepted in the world markets to buy and sell oil as a commodity. If we do not start drilling soon other nations will change that for us, without our approval. If the Chinese Yuan is the curreny that is accepted world wide to buy and sell oil and gas, how much do you think our dollars will be worth? We owe so much money now that we cannot possibly pay off the national debt and our government officials are bickering over infinitessimal cuts.

Imagine that you have a monthly budget of $3,830.00 USD and you are currently having to borrow $1,750.00 USD each month from friends and neighbors. If you go to your household and tell the members of the house that the economy is tough and you have to make some drastic cuts and you have to get spending under control and you have decided to stop buying pay per view movies on cable so that you can balance the budget by saving $38.30 a month, how long do you think your friends and neighbors will continue to loan you money?

That is what our brilliant leaders have done, our budget for the fiscal year 2011 which runs from October 2010 to September 2011 is $3,830,000,000,000.00 and they cut $38,300,000,000.00 that leaves us borrowing still at an anual rate of $1,750,000,000,000.00 per year and the interest is over $4,000,000,000.00 per DAY! We cannot do this any longer. Give up the idea of government health care, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid and social security and anything else that is not directly related to national defense, (we are going to definitely need national defense when the world realizes we are broke and comes to collect the debt) and start selling off all federal real estate that is not a necessary office building. No more yellowstone park unless the siera club wants to buy it. No more endless tracts of millions of acres in every state in the western USA, sell it off and pay the debt.


You forgot cutting the NEA and PP oh and NPR

Quite an interesting proposal ,isn't it Lucy? Should trim that nasty deficit right down [8|]




pahunkboy -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:22:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

Oh, just one more thought...since we were taken off the gold standard here in the USA back in the 70's what do you think our currency is currently backed by? Dirty secret, it is backed by oil. That is correct, the US Dollar is the only currency currently accepted in the world markets to buy and sell oil as a commodity. If we do not start drilling soon other nations will change that for us, without our approval. If the Chinese Yuan is the curreny that is accepted world wide to buy and sell oil and gas, how much do you think our dollars will be worth? We owe so much money now that we cannot possibly pay off the national debt and our government officials are bickering over infinitessimal cuts.

Imagine that you have a monthly budget of $3,830.00 USD and you are currently having to borrow $1,750.00 USD each month from friends and neighbors. If you go to your household and tell the members of the house that the economy is tough and you have to make some drastic cuts and you have to get spending under control and you have decided to stop buying pay per view movies on cable so that you can balance the budget by saving $38.30 a month, how long do you think your friends and neighbors will continue to loan you money?

That is what our brilliant leaders have done, our budget for the fiscal year 2011 which runs from October 2010 to September 2011 is $3,830,000,000,000.00 and they cut $38,300,000,000.00 that leaves us borrowing still at an anual rate of $1,750,000,000,000.00 per year and the interest is over $4,000,000,000.00 per DAY! We cannot do this any longer. Give up the idea of government health care, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid and social security and anything else that is not directly related to national defense, (we are going to definitely need national defense when the world realizes we are broke and comes to collect the debt) and start selling off all federal real estate that is not a necessary office building. No more yellowstone park unless the siera club wants to buy it. No more endless tracts of millions of acres in every state in the western USA, sell it off and pay the debt.


...ok- lets suppose I can pay one of my bills with an ounce of silver.  Would I give them the silver or federal reserve notes?    I would give them FRNS for as long as I could get away with it.

Same deal on how these broke countries all buy each others bonds.   Japan is both rich and poor-  broke countries own our debt - why?

They could keep the scheme going maybe 10 more years....   or maybe 10 more days.. pick one-  the markets will.




soul2share -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:22:44 PM)

I'd use the bus if they were any good here in J'ville.  There's no rhyme or reason for the way the city is laid out, and you can wait up to 90 minutes between buses.  They have bus stops every 50 yards, they weave thru the neighborhoods, and make a simple 30 minute trip turn into a 2 hour one.  I don't know who designed the bus routes here, but I think it was just an "eenie meenie minee moe" system.  You can't get anywhere here without transferring to multiple buses......

Phoenix had one of the best bus services I've ever used. I used to bike/bus when I was there, and it was great.  They ran every 30 minutes, north/south and east/west routes.  I used it all the time.  And they had the metro rail that ran out to the east valley......everytime I flew out of PHX, I used that.....saved me a fortune in parking!  I can guarantee that their ridership is going thru the roof again...last time gas got to $4, it was standing room only on most buses regardles of the time of day or the route you took.




pahunkboy -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:23:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Europeans tho-= do not exchange the tire air- summer air- and winter air.  Hence the US is more efficient.
I can not recall the last time I changed my "summer air" or my "winter-air"...perhaps that is just something they do up round your way  [8|]



This is automatic if you still use snow tires.... but for all season,  you have to do it yourself.




slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:27:08 PM)

LOL,so do the winter tires come supplied with their very own winter air,,,,,or do I have to buy that separate ?
(I know I shouldn't have....but I just couldn't resist,forgive me please I am human and deeply flawed)




MarkfromHouston -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:27:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

I see comments on how there need to be incentives on electric cars...where does electricity come from? It is generated by gas, oil, coal, and nuclear energy for over 97% of the energy generated in the USA. If you want to see lower fuel prices which are directly linked to a healthy economy, then you must open up ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico to drilling. You must lift the EPA restrictions on building new oil refineries in the USA and you must not take the incentive for investment in oil and gas exploration (profit) away from the oil companies by taxing the soup out of them.

You want your stupid little electric car? Fine, do not expect the rest of us to want this assinine piece of crap.
This would be comical,if it weren't so sad.Your answer is to double down on what we know is a failed strategy?
Why ? Why tie the future to an energy source we know is finite...and we know that as a finite material the price will just continue to rise as the demand(Emerging economies) rises.
Than to top it off you suggest we should further enrich the oil companies in the form of more or continued tax incentives.Tell me something once we have decided that GE doesn't have to pay taxes,Oil Co's, need not pay taxes.....the rich should not be burdened too harshly.....who,do you figure is left?
The middle class is rapidly evaporating....and the poor....well they simply have no means to do so.
So who will,in your scenario actually pay taxes ?


We have over 150 years of known reserves in the USA, there are well over 500 years of suspected oil reserves in lightly explored areas. If you give me 150 years of oil to power the economy I can guarantee that we will find better ways of transportation and energy production as time goes by, if you do not do this then what I can also guarantee you with 100% certainty is that there will be no USA in 100 years.

If you hate big companies so much that you want to break the economy, there is little that can be done to show you where you are wrong. I will say this, if I have to make a choice on doing work for a rich person or doing work for a poor person, I will choose the rich one every time because I like to be paid for my labors. I have been a succesful business owner for more than 20 years, I have been in the transportation industry as well as oil and gas for almost all of my adult life and I can tell you that w rich oil company is much better than a broke oil company.

While we are at it let me give you this little hint on our economic situation. If we taxed every single penny of our GDP ( the entire earnings of every company in the USA) we could not balance the budget, we are spending over 100% of our GDP now for these idiotic give away programs. People need to be responsible for themselves, or starve to death, life is hard and cold in the big city people, buck up and make your own way and see how great it feels to be independent and self sufficient and not in debt.

I know most people think that taxing the rich and the big corporations is what is needed to fix the problem, but most people simply do not understand that if we took every single penny that every business and every individual earned ( and that means your money too, and no one wants that) we would still have to borrow over a trillion a year.

You tell me what will work. Cut everything or steal every penny earned? I know when you come to get mine you will need to be very well armed and I would think there are a lot more like me than you want to think. I own a business, I pay more taxes than you can imagine, My business operates almost 8 months out of the year to pay all the tax burden that is on it now, would you have me work nine? Ten? When is it too much? I know. When it is your money they take it will be too much.




pahunkboy -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:40:02 PM)

What will work?

Get rid of the Federal Reserve.   Until we do - no other problem is fixable.

I mean this is all a joke= = and it would be funny- except for peoples lifes wealth ride on this scam.




pahunkboy -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:42:16 PM)

BTW_  Mark is right=  we have ample reserves here.   But they will not be tapped in our lifetime.    OPEC buys our debt....    if we own our own debt- then it would cut out the banks. 




MarkfromHouston -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:47:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

Oh, just one more thought...since we were taken off the gold standard here in the USA back in the 70's what do you think our currency is currently backed by? Dirty secret, it is backed by oil. That is correct, the US Dollar is the only currency currently accepted in the world markets to buy and sell oil as a commodity. If we do not start drilling soon other nations will change that for us, without our approval. If the Chinese Yuan is the curreny that is accepted world wide to buy and sell oil and gas, how much do you think our dollars will be worth? We owe so much money now that we cannot possibly pay off the national debt and our government officials are bickering over infinitessimal cuts.

Imagine that you have a monthly budget of $3,830.00 USD and you are currently having to borrow $1,750.00 USD each month from friends and neighbors. If you go to your household and tell the members of the house that the economy is tough and you have to make some drastic cuts and you have to get spending under control and you have decided to stop buying pay per view movies on cable so that you can balance the budget by saving $38.30 a month, how long do you think your friends and neighbors will continue to loan you money?

That is what our brilliant leaders have done, our budget for the fiscal year 2011 which runs from October 2010 to September 2011 is $3,830,000,000,000.00 and they cut $38,300,000,000.00 that leaves us borrowing still at an anual rate of $1,750,000,000,000.00 per year and the interest is over $4,000,000,000.00 per DAY! We cannot do this any longer. Give up the idea of government health care, welfare, food stamps, medicare and medicaid and social security and anything else that is not directly related to national defense, (we are going to definitely need national defense when the world realizes we are broke and comes to collect the debt) and start selling off all federal real estate that is not a necessary office building. No more yellowstone park unless the siera club wants to buy it. No more endless tracts of millions of acres in every state in the western USA, sell it off and pay the debt.


...ok- lets suppose I can pay one of my bills with an ounce of silver.  Would I give them the silver or federal reserve notes?    I would give them FRNS for as long as I could get away with it.

Same deal on how these broke countries all buy each others bonds.   Japan is both rich and poor-  broke countries own our debt - why?

They could keep the scheme going maybe 10 more years....   or maybe 10 more days.. pick one-  the markets will.


It is probably going to happen very soon that the countries who have been buying our debt will soon stop. China and Japan buy the most, right now about all the Japanese want to buy is stuff to go toward helping clean up the disaster they have going on. Even now we are seeing that Japan has lost the ability to produce automobiles, so that electric car is not coming anytime soon because the batteries for it are not made here in the states. They used to be made in Japan in a plant that used to be somewhere on the coast near what used to be a city. We do not make them here because the EPA regs will not let us do it economically, those batteries are toxic as all get out, the process to manufacture them is really dirty and really a huge health hazard as are the batteries themselves. We won't even mention how it takes so much more energy to make one of those cars that any evironmental green is offset by the environmental cost of manufacturing the batteries and the car itself.

Those cars are expensive because they use a lot more energy to make them and the minerals and chemicals in them are far more toxic than oil and gasoline ever thought about being. Anyone ever ask how much it will cost to dispose of all that hazmat when one of those cars has a wreck and needs to be junked out? It won't be cheap.

Anyways, I guess that talking to people in plain honest fashion about the situation we are in just pisses them off, I mean people start thinking that a person is insane and has a bunker just because a person has understanding about how one cannot spend more than one earns for extended periods of time. I do not have a bunker. I do not have a stockpile of canned goods, when the economic crap hits the fan I will be looking for a shower with evevryone else in front ot the fan. Problem is, when it happens showers are going to be rare and water and soap might not be handy. I think it is better to turn off the fan and take away the shovels and the crap from the people who are going to pitch it in the fan before it hits those blades.

Oh well, no one listens. If Paul Revere made his famous ride today he would be arrested for disturbing the peace.




rulemylife -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 9:54:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

...the same amount of silver will buy the same gas it did 40 years ago...  maybe more. 


Hoard aluminum.




rulemylife -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 10:01:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston


We have over 150 years of known reserves in the USA, there are well over 500 years of suspected oil reserves in lightly explored areas. If you give me 150 years of oil to power the economy I can guarantee that we will find better ways of transportation and energy production as time goes by, if you do not do this then what I can also guarantee you with 100% certainty is that there will be no USA in 100 years.

If you hate big companies so much that you want to break the economy, there is little that can be done to show you where you are wrong. I will say this, if I have to make a choice on doing work for a rich person or doing work for a poor person, I will choose the rich one every time because I like to be paid for my labors. I have been a succesful business owner for more than 20 years, I have been in the transportation industry as well as oil and gas for almost all of my adult life and I can tell you that w rich oil company is much better than a broke oil company.

While we are at it let me give you this little hint on our economic situation. If we taxed every single penny of our GDP ( the entire earnings of every company in the USA) we could not balance the budget, we are spending over 100% of our GDP now for these idiotic give away programs. People need to be responsible for themselves, or starve to death, life is hard and cold in the big city people, buck up and make your own way and see how great it feels to be independent and self sufficient and not in debt.

I know most people think that taxing the rich and the big corporations is what is needed to fix the problem, but most people simply do not understand that if we took every single penny that every business and every individual earned ( and that means your money too, and no one wants that) we would still have to borrow over a trillion a year.

You tell me what will work. Cut everything or steal every penny earned? I know when you come to get mine you will need to be very well armed and I would think there are a lot more like me than you want to think. I own a business, I pay more taxes than you can imagine, My business operates almost 8 months out of the year to pay all the tax burden that is on it now, would you have me work nine? Ten? When is it too much? I know. When it is your money they take it will be too much.


Do you think it might be possible for you to back up what you are saying in your bullshit rant with some facts?

And I mean real sources.








MarkfromHouston -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 10:05:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

I see comments on how there need to be incentives on electric cars...where does electricity come from? It is generated by gas, oil, coal, and nuclear energy for over 97% of the energy generated in the USA. If you want to see lower fuel prices which are directly linked to a healthy economy, then you must open up ANWAR and the Gulf of Mexico to drilling. You must lift the EPA restrictions on building new oil refineries in the USA and you must not take the incentive for investment in oil and gas exploration (profit) away from the oil companies by taxing the soup out of them.

You want your stupid little electric car? Fine, do not expect the rest of us to want this assinine piece of crap.
This would be comical,if it weren't so sad.Your answer is to double down on what we know is a failed strategy?
Why ? Why tie the future to an energy source we know is finite...and we know that as a finite material the price will just continue to rise as the demand(Emerging economies) rises.
Than to top it off you suggest we should further enrich the oil companies in the form of more or continued tax incentives.Tell me something once we have decided that GE doesn't have to pay taxes,Oil Co's, need not pay taxes.....the rich should not be burdened too harshly.....who,do you figure is left?
The middle class is rapidly evaporating....and the poor....well they simply have no means to do so.
So who will,in your scenario actually pay taxes ?


We have over 150 years of known reserves in the USA, there are well over 500 years of suspected oil reserves in lightly explored areas. If you give me 150 years of oil to power the economy I can guarantee that we will find better ways of transportation and energy production as time goes by, if you do not do this then what I can also guarantee you with 100% certainty is that there will be no USA in 100 years.

If you hate big companies so much that you want to break the economy, there is little that can be done to show you where you are wrong. I will say this, if I have to make a choice on doing work for a rich person or doing work for a poor person, I will choose the rich one every time because I like to be paid for my labors. I have been a succesful business owner for more than 20 years, I have been in the transportation industry as well as oil and gas for almost all of my adult life and I can tell you that w rich oil company is much better than a broke oil company.

While we are at it let me give you this little hint on our economic situation. If we taxed every single penny of our GDP ( the entire earnings of every company in the USA) we could not balance the budget, we are spending over 100% of our GDP now for these idiotic give away programs. People need to be responsible for themselves, or starve to death, life is hard and cold in the big city people, buck up and make your own way and see how great it feels to be independent and self sufficient and not in debt.

I know most people think that taxing the rich and the big corporations is what is needed to fix the problem, but most people simply do not understand that if we took every single penny that every business and every individual earned ( and that means your money too, and no one wants that) we would still have to borrow over a trillion a year.

You tell me what will work. Cut everything or steal every penny earned? I know when you come to get mine you will need to be very well armed and I would think there are a lot more like me than you want to think. I own a business, I pay more taxes than you can imagine, My business operates almost 8 months out of the year to pay all the tax burden that is on it now, would you have me work nine? Ten? When is it too much? I know. When it is your money they take it will be too much.
My best advice to all involved would be to pay no attention at all to nit-wits whose grasp on reality would seem shaky at best.
Now I'm not suggesting that this is you....all I'm going to say is that if your business need operate for 8 months just to cover your tax bill......you are a)in the wrong business b) not a very good businessman c) completely full of shit...or d) a little bit of all of the above.
Other than that.....have a nice night.


Every year there is a date called tax freedom date, it is the average amount of the year which it takes a business to pay all of the state local and federal taxes, fees, and licenses to operate a business. In 2010 it was April 9th, this year it will be April 12th. The business I am in is much more highly taxed, and has a lot more fees. I own and operate semi trucks, we pay over fourty cents per gallon in state and federal taxes for every gallon of fuel. We pay $550.00 a year per truck in Federal heavy Use Tax, we average about $12,000.00 per year on each truck in road taxes and other state taxes. Without trucks you get nothing in your store, and before you peep up and say "put it on a train" look at your local grocery store and tell me where those tracks are? Call people nit wits, call them stupid, but soon my friend you will have to be weaned from the government teat, that old sow you have been suckling at for so long is running dry.

Oh, and yes kill NPR, The NEA, and bring me the head of Big Bird from PBS, and along with it planned parenthood and a whole lot of bridges to nowhere. If you want to know how I really feel, let me say it straight out. Stop stealing the money that people earn to give it to your communist plan. Get a job, feed your family or starve, I do not care which one.




slvemike4u -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 10:09:54 PM)

Come on big guy....tell us how you really feel [:D]


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MarkfromHouston -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/10/2011 11:31:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston


We have over 150 years of known reserves in the USA, there are well over 500 years of suspected oil reserves in lightly explored areas. If you give me 150 years of oil to power the economy I can guarantee that we will find better ways of transportation and energy production as time goes by, if you do not do this then what I can also guarantee you with 100% certainty is that there will be no USA in 100 years.

If you hate big companies so much that you want to break the economy, there is little that can be done to show you where you are wrong. I will say this, if I have to make a choice on doing work for a rich person or doing work for a poor person, I will choose the rich one every time because I like to be paid for my labors. I have been a succesful business owner for more than 20 years, I have been in the transportation industry as well as oil and gas for almost all of my adult life and I can tell you that w rich oil company is much better than a broke oil company.

While we are at it let me give you this little hint on our economic situation. If we taxed every single penny of our GDP ( the entire earnings of every company in the USA) we could not balance the budget, we are spending over 100% of our GDP now for these idiotic give away programs. People need to be responsible for themselves, or starve to death, life is hard and cold in the big city people, buck up and make your own way and see how great it feels to be independent and self sufficient and not in debt.

I know most people think that taxing the rich and the big corporations is what is needed to fix the problem, but most people simply do not understand that if we took every single penny that every business and every individual earned ( and that means your money too, and no one wants that) we would still have to borrow over a trillion a year.

You tell me what will work. Cut everything or steal every penny earned? I know when you come to get mine you will need to be very well armed and I would think there are a lot more like me than you want to think. I own a business, I pay more taxes than you can imagine, My business operates almost 8 months out of the year to pay all the tax burden that is on it now, would you have me work nine? Ten? When is it too much? I know. When it is your money they take it will be too much.


Do you think it might be possible for you to back up what you are saying in your bullshit rant with some facts?

And I mean real sources.






OK. HERE YOU GO BUCKO.


http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=5&FirstYear=2009&LastYear=2010&Freq=Qtr

If you look at the chart you can see that we had a GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT before expenditures of just under 59 trillion, you have to take out the expenditures, and so forth but the numbers are there to see. If you look at the government spending you will note that it is upwards of 1.1 trillion per quarter for the federal government and that state governments exceeded the fed on spending, all of the federal money came in from taxes as it produces nothing in the way of profits.

You also will want to look at this one.

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=86&FirstYear=2009&LastYear=2010&Freq=Qtr


Note that we are spending in excess of 1.2 trillion more than we take in through taxes in every single quarter, that is over 5 trillion a year in debt....ooops

Now the next one is disposable income, that is the last line, that is what we have left over afte taxes and expenditures to spend on stuff like food and oil and gasoline and all that unimportant stuff.


http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010

Look at the last few lines, it showes you that there is 3.6 trillion left after taxes and expenditures and our budget is 3.83 trillion, there you go take 100% of disposable income and you now have everyone in the nation broke and no one with so much as a penny left to spend and you still come up over 20 billion short, so I guess that cut of 38.3 billion would help in that case, of course we still owe a wee bit of money in the national debt. Which the US Treasury Department list as $14,264,245,526,311.58 which does not include unfunded mandated spending such as obamacare and social security payments, that is just the amount we owe in loans and bonds. Here is the Treasury site

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

You won't need to login to the site as I have linked one that is available to you, on the one you login to see it is much much worse but I cannot post it, suffice it to say you would be sick to your stomach to know how much you owe, and yes you owe it, we all do.

If that helps get you started on the economics how about some oil and gas numbers for you.


http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

This is one of hundreds of articles showing how the USGS is far underestimating oil reserves, there are two types of oil reserves Proven (which includes proven developed reserves PD and Proven undeveloped or PUD) and unproven reserves, the unproven reserves are places where geologists know oil is highly likely to exist and trust me they do not over estimate this because if they do they will be fired.

We now have the Bakken fields in the Dakotas which have been proven and are being developed which have been announced to contain 10 times the oil that was thought to be available in the entire USA and we are working those fields now. The truth is no one can know absolutely how much oil there is here in the US, but good industry analysts are showing time and again that they are correct when they say we have enough to carry us well into the 22nd century.

I know that the green groups would like to have us all running about saying oil will be gone in ten years...they said it loudly and clearly since the 70's and it obviously was not true then and it still is not true.

I leave you with this thought.

If we drill and the price goes down what have we lost? If we do not drill and it goes up, who can we blame? Drill now, drill safely and cautiously and always be looking for better sources of energy but keep America running and keep our economy moving and create jobs now by drilling now.






rulemylife -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/11/2011 1:09:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MarkfromHouston

OK. HERE YOU GO BUCKO.


Bucko?  [sm=rofl.gif]

But thank you for the links anyway.

It's a little too late and I'm too tired to go through them, but I'll check them out and get back to you tomorrow.

You have my word.




ManyColorsOnYou -> RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming (4/11/2011 1:35:19 AM)

RE: Gas prices have spiked! May soon past record highs! $4-$5 gas coming

"IF" gas hits a high of $5.00, I'll be happy... I see the range more like $7-$10... And NOT going back down anytime soon.




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