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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:05:35 AM   
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Yes I'm a smartass...for instance I am sitting here now trying to figure out how to get you a waiver for that inconvenient helmet law.Perhaps once we prove that your head is merely an empty shell the authorities will acquiesce

LOL your a brave little boy huh hiding behind a screen
Who is hiding,I am more than upfront in regards to the disdain I hold you in.What would you suggest I do,given the constraints of this medium.....my profile is up,my picture is on it....would you like my SS number,birthdate and postal address too?
Were I to furnish these....do you promise to visit?




ya you would be stupid enough to give out that information.. now assume the position in one of your pictures and shut up

Only after you had politely requested the information in a private letter.So run along and find someone to help you with the composition of such a request.....and we can move on from there


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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:10:17 AM   
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Yes I'm a smartass...for instance I am sitting here now trying to figure out how to get you a waiver for that inconvenient helmet law.Perhaps once we prove that your head is merely an empty shell the authorities will acquiesce

LOL your a brave little boy huh hiding behind a screen
Who is hiding,I am more than upfront in regards to the disdain I hold you in.What would you suggest I do,given the constraints of this medium.....my profile is up,my picture is on it....would you like my SS number,birthdate and postal address too?
Were I to furnish these....do you promise to visit?




ya you would be stupid enough to give out that information.. now assume the position in one of your pictures and shut up

Only after you had politely requested the information in a private letter.So run along and find someone to help you with the composition of such a request.....and we can move on from there


like I said, you would be stupid enough...and your not worth anymore key strokes...

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:11:18 AM   
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..........Did You know that here some DEMANDED to be allowed to wear those things for their drivers licence picture as well as Medical cards,

and yes i did see a young girl scream (5 6 yrs old)when she saw one of those women with a burqa,


So what happened? Are they allowed to wear them for their driver's licenses?

Kids get scared of all sorts of things, but I don't think outlawing the trappings of someone else's religion is the best way to rear children.

For the record I have mixed feelings about covering from head to toe, BUT they are simply my feelings. If a woman is wearing it freely of her own volition, you go sister!! In terms of ID cards taking a picture of someone covered is pointless.

So is it OK to you to outlaw the clothing of any religion? I think it has to be all religions or none.

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:16:54 AM   
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..........Did You know that here some DEMANDED to be allowed to wear those things for their drivers licence picture as well as Medical cards,

and yes i did see a young girl scream (5 6 yrs old)when she saw one of those women with a burqa,

So what happened? Are they allowed to wear them for their driver's licenses?

Kids get scared of all sorts of things, but I don't think outlawing the trappings of someone else's religion is the best way to rear children.

For the record I have mixed feelings about covering from head to toe, BUT they are simply my feelings. If a woman is wearing it freely of her own volition, you go sister!! In terms of ID cards taking a picture of someone covered is pointless.

So is it OK to you to outlaw the clothing of any religion? I think it has to be all religions or none.


No they are not allowed to wear it for the pictures,


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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:24:46 AM   
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Yes I'm a smartass...for instance I am sitting here now trying to figure out how to get you a waiver for that inconvenient helmet law.Perhaps once we prove that your head is merely an empty shell the authorities will acquiesce

LOL your a brave little boy huh hiding behind a screen
Who is hiding,I am more than upfront in regards to the disdain I hold you in.What would you suggest I do,given the constraints of this medium.....my profile is up,my picture is on it....would you like my SS number,birthdate and postal address too?
Were I to furnish these....do you promise to visit?




ya you would be stupid enough to give out that information.. now assume the position in one of your pictures and shut up

Only after you had politely requested the information in a private letter.So run along and find someone to help you with the composition of such a request.....and we can move on from there


like I said, you would be stupid enough...and your not worth anymore key strokes...
Awww,and we were having so much fun....well at least I was,you not so much


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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:31:01 AM   
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So is it OK to you to outlaw the clothing of any religion? I think it has to be all religions or none.

Here is the entire Qu'ran. I welcome you to find a requirement that women cover themselves from head to toe.
http://quran.com/

Who thinks the women of Mohammed's time wore a voluminous black heavy weight body covering in one of the hottest places on Earth before the advent of electrical cooling?

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:36:57 AM   
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So is it OK to you to outlaw the clothing of any religion? I think it has to be all religions or none.

Here is the entire Qu'ran. I welcome you to find a requirement that women cover themselves from head to toe.
http://quran.com/

Who thinks the women of Mohammed's time wore a voluminous black heavy weight body covering in one of the hottest places on Earth before the advent of electrical cooling?


Notice I said the trappings, I know it's not in the Koran. You think they've just started wearing them since the arrival of electric cooling/air conditioning?

To the woman on the street if She considers it required for her modesty, I'm not going to tell her she can't.

DomKen - when I referred to trappings I was talking about post #23.

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:47:43 AM   
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http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/eariana.nsf/allDocs/A96E2D3C8BDFDCD687256C59005AF3CB?OpenDocument

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:55:05 AM   
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If its only banned as an attack on religion, then its wrong.

If its banned for security purposes, then France has the right to do what it wishes to do in its best interests.

I can see the argument for both sides... and the potential for abuse by someone who is less than scrupulous.

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:55:45 AM   
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So is it OK to you to outlaw the clothing of any religion? I think it has to be all religions or none.

Here is the entire Qu'ran. I welcome you to find a requirement that women cover themselves from head to toe.
http://quran.com/

Who thinks the women of Mohammed's time wore a voluminous black heavy weight body covering in one of the hottest places on Earth before the advent of electrical cooling?


Notice I said the trappings, I know it's not in the Koran. You think they've just started wearing them since the arrival of electric cooling/air conditioning?

I'm saying they started wearing face to toe black garments only since the late 19th century.
http://tinyurl.com/6dvhhff

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 11:59:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let me see if I understand this....just when western woman started revealing more and more of themselves....Muslim woman started covering everything up?
Do you suppose there was a correlation?


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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:00:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Where in the bible does it say you shouldn't have electricity?  You want to make the Amish wire up?

There are Christian sects where the woman do not cut their hair and wear full length dresses and sleeves to the wrist. 
Would you care to quote me those bible verses?  You want to make them get pixie cuts and blue jeans?

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:09:19 PM   
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Where in the bible does it say you shouldn't have electricity?  You want to make the Amish wire up?

There are Christina sects where the woman do not cut their hair and wear full length dresses and sleeves to the wrist. 
Would you care to quote me those bible verses?  You want to make them get pixie cuts and blue jeans?


Is this reply to me?

(You meant "Christian" I assume?)

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:12:46 PM   
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...............I'm saying they started wearing face to toe black garments only since the late 19th century.
http://tinyurl.com/6dvhhff


Which was my point. Covering has been going on for thousands of years.

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:20:10 PM   
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France has long been a secular state and because of all the troubles historically attributable to religious conflict has made several laws to formally establish itself as such, the most fundamental one being enacted in 1905. The ban on wearing of yarmulkes, burqas, or large crosses in public schools in 2004 was enacted as an application of this law. This latest law is just extending application of the 1905 law further, and in line with the 2004 law.

Italy has had such a law in place since 1975, being fortunate enough to have done it before the question became such a media soccer ball. From the various things I've read on public religious display before and now just recently, the vast majority of Europeans are in favor of this. The majority of European Muslims also seem to be mostly in favor, or, if not actually wishing a ban nevertheless understand the sensibilities and concerns of European countries regarding ostentatious religious display.  To  attempt to claim ex post facto that the face covering is strictly a matter of personal modesty is dishonest. The quote I hear most often from the women who attire thusly is "it is a sign of submission to God."


Unlike in the US where a small but inordinately shrill minority claim that "this is a Christian Nation!" and unfortunately has law making  supporters of allowing the cross and/or ten commandments in public schools or public buildings, very few European citizens want any part of overt religious sensibilities at all concerning either government or ostentatious public display.




It's Europe, not the US. Applying US sensibilities to another country or region of the world with a different history and different modern sensibilities than ours would only legitimize numerous claims of US hubris. Claiming to know another peoples' motivations or prescribing how they should go about their business; how's that been working out the last 8 years or so?








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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:22:42 PM   
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Country with a backbone or racist?



In my view, the French have a real problem with this sort of thing.

The state reaches into people's lives, and has done for centuries, in a way that is foreign (methaphorically and literally speaking) to England.

Not just muslims but jews, too.

Backbone? Bullying more like.

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:26:48 PM   
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http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-the-Abaya&id=3987201

Notice what is says about the color of the abaya.

And another -

http://sandgetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/2007/04/why-are-abayas-black.html

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:27:19 PM   
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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:37:38 PM   
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Country with a backbone or racist?


Neither. I'd go for a third option - inconsiderate.

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besides women wearing this scare the shit out of the kids on the street..



Living on an estate in London with a significant Muslim community of which some women wear burqas this statement is complete and utter rubbish.

Or would you prefer photographic evidence?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Passports/Applicationinformation/DG_174152

This is the UK requirements for a passport photo. It allows for wearing a hijab.

I personally feel that this legislation is going too far and is unnecessary. It is also discriminatory and anti-diversity.

The wearing of a burqa does not affect a woman's ability to integrate or to assimilate into any Western society. It is simply a way of dressing and part of Islamic culture.

And if you think that's offensive what about the way some people wear jeans? (You know, with their underwear showing, Norwegian smiles, Dagenham smiles and anything up to an inch and a half of hairy buttcrack on full display. ).

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RE: France bans face covering veil (burqa) - 4/11/2011 12:46:18 PM   
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Country with a backbone or racist?


Neither. I'd go for a third option - inconsiderate.

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besides women wearing this scare the shit out of the kids on the street..



Living on an estate in London with a significant Muslim community of which some women wear burqas this statement is complete and utter rubbish.

Or would you prefer photographic evidence?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Passports/Applicationinformation/DG_174152

This is the UK requirements for a passport photo. It allows for wearing a hijab.

I personally feel that this legislation is going too far and is unnecessary. It is also discriminatory and anti-diversity.

The wearing of a burqa does not affect a woman's ability to integrate or to assimilate into any Western society. It is simply a way of dressing and part of Islamic culture.

And if you think that's offensive what about the way some people wear jeans? (You know, with their underwear showing, Norwegian smiles, Dagenham smiles and anything up to an inch and a half of hairy buttcrack on full display. ).

http://www.ppt.gc.ca/cdn/photos.aspx

burqa not the ijab

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