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Hillwilliam -> Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:14:13 PM)
This hits politics AND religion. What do you think? Was Jesus a liberal? Why or why not? Please folks, documentation, not made-up bluster. By the way, as background, I'm agnostic but I feel he was a heck of a moral person and a GREAT role model.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:20:46 PM)
He certainly wasn't a republican with his pay your taxes, feed the hungry, take care of the poor, look after the children talks.

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:39:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 He certainly wasn't a republican with his pay your taxes, feed the hungry, take care of the poor, look after the children talks. Really, Flco? I seem to recall that he told PEOPLE to do things for the poor, not that they should have government do it for them.

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:44:48 PM)
Not much in the form of Democratic representative government back in his day though,heh Rich?Well not in Judea anyway.[:)]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:47:53 PM)
I'm going to weigh in on the yes side. The loaves and fishes tale could be said to be "redistribution of wealth" He rejected Xenophobia "The parable of the good Samaritan" He personally helped the downtrodden and sick even lepers. He rejected "Organized Religion" Matthew Ch 24. He rejected misogyny. (allowing a prostitute to serve him in a nonsexual way) "service bottom?" LOL He was an agent of social change. The "Conservatives" of his day were the ones who prevented Pilate from pardoning him.

TheRaptorJesus -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:50:19 PM)
It's easier for a triceratops to walk through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:50:39 PM)
I'm going to go with a "yes" on this one too.For all of the above reasons.....and the long hair thing too [:)] Certainly not a conservative.

Lucylastic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 6:56:27 PM)
He put people before profit, He didnt have a gun, and he didnt like the rich or corrupt, he wasnt interested in war and didnt only care about america

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:06:12 PM)
That is so not fair.....had he known about America it would have definitely been at the center of all of his sermons [:)]

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:09:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic He didnt have a gun He told his followers that if they didn't have a sword, they should sell their clothes to buy one.

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:20:20 PM)
Really? In what sermon ? To what purpose was he advocating this?

dcnovice -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:29:10 PM)
Mixed Messages on Swords Luke 22 35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. John 18 10Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? Matthew 26 51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

slvemike4u -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:32:40 PM)
See that last...."Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Thats the one you remember,,,the sell your garment for a sword thing....not so much.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:34:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 He certainly wasn't a republican with his pay your taxes, feed the hungry, take care of the poor, look after the children talks. Really, Flco? I seem to recall that he told PEOPLE to do things for the poor, not that they should have government do it for them. What's the difference? The principle's the same. People need to help each other out and care for other members of their community. Why split hairs?

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:34:42 PM)
Luke 22:36, Mike (or so Google sayeth). I think I'm just gonna bail on this thread, though. Jesus was far too complicated a figure to pigeonhole into a modern, binary, paradigm, and I spent enough of my life observing how his words can get twisted to mean anything people want.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:40:21 PM)
I'm going to go out on a limb here and make some theoretical statements about the Disciples going armed. The rural middle east of 2100 years ago (Jesus's stomping grounds) was a fairly lawless place. An unarmed group walking down the road would have attracted bandits like flies to poop. A dozen or more armed men, though, would have been left mostly unmolested. I think Jesus may have been encouraging his men to be openly armed because he WAS a pacifist. I know, it sounds wierd but if you look at the older schools of martial arts, Shao-Lin for example, they are pacifists. They will do about anything to NOT fight therefore they are not "living by the sword". The sword in this case is ONLY a last resort and is used as a deterrent. If you refuse to initiate an attack and you look too strong to be attacked, you will NEVER get in a fight. That is the dream of a pacifist, to never fight.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:42:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Luke 22:36, Mike (or so Google sayeth). I think I'm just gonna bail on this thread, though. Jesus was far too complicated a figure to pigeonhole into a modern, binary, paradigm, and I spent enough of my life observing how his words can get twisted to mean anything people want. Thats why I started it, it IS complex. So far, I like the thought that is going into the replies here. Even a hard core atheist about has to admit that the dude was a heck of a role model.

dcnovice -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:44:36 PM)
quote: Jesus was far too complicated a figure to pigeonhole into a modern, binary, paradigm Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. (Col 3.11)

Fightdirecto -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:48:21 PM)
WELL, JESUS WAS A HOMELESS LAD WITH AN UNWED MOTHER AND AN ABSENT DAD AND I DON'T REALLY THINK HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT FAR IF NEWT, RUSH AND SARAH HAD FOLLOWED THAT STAR SO LET'S ALL SING OUT PRAISES TO THAT LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW OH, WHEN JESUS TAUGHT THE PEOPLE HE WOULD NEVER CHARGE A TUITION FEE HE JUST TOOK SOME FISHES AND SOME BREAD AND SERVED UP FREE SCHOOL LUNCHES INSTEAD SO LET'S ALL SING OUT PRAISES TO THAT LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW OH, HE HEALED THE BLIND AND MADE THEM SEE HE BROUGHT THE LAME TO THEIR FEET YEAH, RICH AND POOR, ANYTIME, ANYWHERE JUST PIONEERING THAT FREE HEALTH CARE SO LET'S ALL SING OUT PRAISES TO THAT LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW WELL NOW, JESUS HUNG WITH A LOWLIFE CROWD THOSE WORKING STIFFS SURE DID HIM PROUD YEAH, SOME WERE MURDERS, THIEVES AND WHORES BUT AT LEAST THEY DIDN'T DO IT AS LEGISLATORS SO LET'S ALL SING OUT PRAISES TO THAT LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW WELL NOW, JESUS LIVED IN TROUBLED TIMES THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT WAS ON THE RISE OH, NOW WHAT COULD HAVE SAVED HIM FROM HIS TERRIBLE FATE? THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE SO LET'S ALL SING OUT PRAISES TO THAT LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I FALL INTO DEEP DESPAIR WHEN I HEAR ALL THOSE HYPOCRITES ON THE AIR OH, BUT EVERY SUNDAY GIVES ME HOPE WHEN PASTOR, DEACON, PRIEST AND POPE ARE ALL SINGING OUT THEIR PRAISES TO SOME LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW THEY'RE ALL SINGING OUT THEIR PRAISES TO SOME LONG-HAIRED, RADICAL, SOCIALIST JEW AMEN -Hugh Blumenfeld

TheHeretic -> RE: Was He a Liberal? (4/12/2011 7:48:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Not much in the form of Democratic representative government back in his day though,heh Rich?Well not in Judea anyway.[:)] I need to just get off this thread. There's no hope of it going well, but dammit, this needs to be answered. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

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