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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to go into rehab if it wasn't illegal to get high. Why not just keep getting high?

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Now, if you wish to have an... how did you put it?... adult conversation instead of belittling, then lets have one.

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In light of the Mellencamp lyrics that were offered earlier,I thought I might offer this for consideration....

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I did, mike, and thats what I meant by "cute"... referencing the song. As far as the other, I no longer care what she says.

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Rudeness is unbecoming no matter the age.

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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to go into rehab if it wasn't illegal to get high. Why not just keep getting high?

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Now, if you wish to have an... how did you put it?... adult conversation instead of belittling, then lets have one.

The thread you referenced had a link to a Washington post article which can't be found. As it's quite obvious you did not read the links which I provided given how quickly you posted after I provided them, I don't see how it is possible to have a conversation on the subject with you. We obviously have different standards when it comes to both sarcasm and adult conversation, so I will pass on engaging further with you on this subject.

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In light of the Mellencamp lyrics that were offered earlier,I thought I might offer this for consideration....

i love that song! and yes drugs do cause enormous misery, but that isn't the issue. if i chose to live a life of fleeting moments of drug-induced euphoria amidst squalor and misery, surely that is my business and nobody else's.
there is nobody here arguing that drugs are a wise choice, so continuing to point out that they are a bad idea is neither useful or germane. the issue is if one should be allowed to do them regardless of their beneficialness or lack there of.
hannah lynn

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You keep saying that, yet you keep coming back to take shots at her... might want to ponder that for a moment or two.

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You keep saying that, yet you keep coming back to take shots at her... might want to ponder that for a moment or two.

Thanks for the advice. Im sure you wont mind if I dont take it considering some of your past postings yourself.

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Okay ,so you concede that they are destructive but insist that folks should be free to choose a path of self destruction...am I correct so far?

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Now as one goes down this path of self destruction is there or is there not a societal cost.

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So now you are in a box of your own making

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but you can not make an honest claim that the cost of such freedoms is solely personal...it is undeniably societal

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thus it is indeed within society's purview to curtail such behaviors.

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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to go into rehab if it wasn't illegal to get high. Why not just keep getting high?

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thanks for the detailed reply/query.

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Okay ,so you concede that they are destructive but insist that folks should be free to choose a path of self destruction...am I correct so far?

100%
So far so good

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Now as one goes down this path of self destruction is there or is there not a societal cost.

there is a societal cost. but that does not outweigh the right of the individual. the cost to society at large is not a factor. it is my life. it is my choice. as i pointed out, society at large is under no obligation to rescue me (or anybody else) from their unwise decisions. let the junkies die.
Whether or not you see it as societies obligation....in practice it is in fact an obligation....an example...And I will use you just as an example,not to suggest that you would find yourself in such a situation....Okay?
You are lying in the street,suffering from some drug induced condition or other...a passerby call an ambulance.The ambulance driver can not nor will not attempt to ascertain your ability to pay for his service ,he will simply do his job and scoop you up.Now in the emergency room you will again be attended to prior to anyone ascertaining your ability to pay for services....they bring you back from the brink of death,You did not request such services...but you,as a member of a society certainly had every expectation of receiving these services

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So now you are in a box of your own making

there is no box. an artificial entity like "society" does not have the right to abridge my rights in the name of defending itself. society is a non thing, it is an artificial construct and thus has no rights whatsoever. society does not actually exist. it is a mental concept created to facilitate the smooth interactions of the various segments of a population. it has no rights and no it has no authority other than what you, as an individual, chose to give it.
Society is not a non-thing,quite the contrary society is in fact nothing more than the collection of all of those individuals living in close proximity(and given how small the world is becoming there is little choice but to be a part of some society or another)in order to facilitate all of those individuals co-existing a set of rules is agreed to by the majority...while as far as it can, respecting the rights of the individuals that make up the greater collective.Those rights must of necessity go only so far.One persons individual rights can not abridge another's.So off the top we have,as members of a society acknowledged that our freedoms are not absolute.Now a healthy society takes that a little further and enacts laws that abridge the right to engage in certain self destructive behaviors.....you do not need to agree with this societal right,you do not need to adhere....but a sensible person will acknowledge societies right to pass such laws .Failure to acknowledge this in no way precludes you from being subject to said laws.

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but you can not make an honest claim that the cost of such freedoms is solely personal...it is undeniably societal

the cost to society of my decisions is not relevant to the right to make those decisions. the cost to society are something separate, and does not enter into the question of individual rights. if my choices impact others, then by all means i should be held responsible for that and for any restitution, but again, that is a separate thing from my right to make that choice.
You know I misjudged you....................you are a bit craftier than I had earlier assumed.I won't make that mistake again.Yes you have the "right" in so far as till you actually commit an act you have broken no law.So you have the right to slit your wrist...society than has the right,and the responsibility to than force you into treatment.You have the right to purchase illegal drugs on the street...and an undercover officer than has the right to arrest you.....it is amazingly simple...I don't know how I missed it.

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thus it is indeed within society's purview to curtail such behaviors.

nobody, individually or collectively, has the right to protect me from my own foolishness should i choose to travel a self destructive path. it is simply nobody's business but my own.
Already answered.....foolishness comes in many stripes....most ,you are right society has no recourse to try and save you from your foolish action.Should you decide to wear stripes /horizontal as a blouse.....with vertically striped pants....well have at it.I will try not to laugh too hard.
As for the rest of it I have answered it to the best of my ability...the Yankees are playing and it is my right to actually watch it rather than continue this exercise....nite,nite.

hannah lynn

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but you,as a member of a society certainly had every expectation of receiving these services

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a set of rules is agreed to by the majority

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One persons individual rights can not abridge another's.So off the top we have,as members of a society acknowledged that our freedoms are not absolute.

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Now a healthy society takes that a little further and enacts laws that abridge the right to engage in certain self destructive behaviors.....

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you do not need to agree with this societal right,you do not need to adhere....but a sensible person will acknowledge societies right to pass such laws

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Failure to acknowledge this in no way precludes you from being subject to said laws.

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You know I misjudged you....................you are a bit craftier than I had earlier assumed.I won't make that mistake again.Yes you have the "right" in so far as till you actually commit an act you have broken no law.So you have the right to slit your wrist...society than has the right,and the responsibility to than force you into treatment.You have the right to purchase illegal drugs on the street...and an undercover officer than has the right to arrest you.....it is amazingly simple...I don't know how I missed it.

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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to go into rehab if it wasn't illegal to get high. Why not just keep getting high?

Getting high come with costs ,above and beyond the legal.Looking into a mirror and seeing death is/can be disconcerting.
Trust me on this.

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I can't honestly think of any who said they were quitting because they thought it would kill them.

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yes drugs do cause enormous misery, but that isn't the issue. if i chose to live a life of fleeting moments of drug-induced euphoria amidst squalor and misery, surely that is my business and nobody else's.