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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 11:23:05 AM   
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Wholeheartedly agree tazz...incarceration is,in my opinion,the last thing any addict needs...or truthfully deserves.It is a failed policy in all aspects,and at all levels of the so called"was on drugs".Perhaps my dim views of any woman who would knowingly ingest drugs while carrying a baby to term are not so easily dealt with on a practical level.I have no doubt what my opinion would be of such a woman.....but as to what to do about such occurrences.....I don't rightly know.Certainly just stating it is her body and she can do what she wants with it isn't enough.


Its hard to be practical when its an emotional issue. (Btw, I love it when you post about your son. So I do understand the emotions for you.)

Its hard to me to be pratical at times too. However, we dont know if that pregnant mother wasnt already an addict before she became pregnant. Thats the premise we go with at the beginning though. To think a woman knowingly started using after she got pregnant is abhorrant to most of us.

At some point you have to remove the emotions to best help that woman. Imagine being pregnant and an addict.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 11:43:45 AM   
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Sparking one up is not how I get my highs these days, Arpig.
Then go get your ass smacked!

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 11:45:44 AM   
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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:02:32 PM   
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I.personally can not take the idea of personal freedom that far Arpig,the knowledge of babies born with addictions is just too painful to take that particular leap.The current hell they are born into...the continuing health issues they are cosigned to suffer is, once again ,for me just a "bridge too far".
Unfortunately, it isn't a question of going to far or not. If a woman has the right to control her own body for the purposes of aborting a fetus, then she has the right to control it period. The fact that the right can be abused with horrible consequences is, to use hannah lynn's favourite phrase, irrelevant to the question of the right's existence.

Abuse of the right should bring consequences. Giving birth to a crack baby should have legal repercussions, the child has been abused in a terrible way. But that doesn't change the basic premise of the OP.

I don't like it any more than you do, mike, but there really is no way around it. Either a woman has the right to control her body or she doesn't. I'm not in favour of half measures when it comes to one's individual rights.

Perhaps the question we should really be asking is this: Does a person have the right to control their own body?


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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:08:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		No...we have a right to shoot a gun...just not at people... there is nothing arbitrary in rights.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:26:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to disagree Butch. You do have the right to shoot your gun at anybody you want. You are, however, legally and morally responsible for the results of shooting your gun at another person.

You are right, there is nothing arbitrary about rights. A right is absolute, or it isn't a right. Again, I will stress, having the right to do something does not absolve one of the ramifications of the consequences of the way you chose to exercise those rights.


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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:27:42 PM   
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temporarily broken.
No tire rotation then? 

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:36:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.. the same question he asked me last night!

I can check "air" pressure... but thats about it.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:41:38 PM   
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I can check "air" pressure... but thats about it.
That'll do, I'm easy.


No really......I'm easy, if I were female, I'd be seriously popular even with the beard.


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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:44:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I have to disagree Butch. You do have the right to shoot your gun at anybody you want. You are, however, legally and morally responsible for the results of shooting your gun at another person.

You are right, there is nothing arbitrary about rights. A right is absolute, or it isn't a right. Again, I will stress, having the right to do something does not absolve one of the ramifications of the consequences of the way you chose to exercise those rights.



I disagree - it's not a "right" if you're able to be legally prosecuted for it. It's simply a choice.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:44:27 PM   
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im a slut, not a whore.....im easy.. and I dont charge.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:45:41 PM   
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I disagree - it's not a "right" if you're able to be legally prosecuted for it. It's simply a choice.


Isnt that the same with drug use? Its also something you can be legally prosecuted for.

Just sayin...

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:45:41 PM   
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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:46:50 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I would feel guilty for charging for something that is so damn much fun!!!

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:47:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I disagree - it's not a "right" if you're able to be legally prosecuted for it. It's simply a choice.


Isnt that the same with drug use? Its also something you can be legally prosecuted for.

Just sayin...



Yes, exactly.

Currently, people have the ability to choose to do drugs.

I believe people should have the right to do drugs.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:49:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		And some people feel they have the right to shoot other people.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:51:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And some people feel they have the right to shoot other people.


Fortunately they won't be able to use my reasoning (that a person should have the right to choose what to do with his or her own body) to support that viewpoint :)

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 12:58:52 PM   
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I disagree - it's not a "right" if you're able to be legally prosecuted for it. It's simply a choice.
I think we actually agree here. One should not be prosecuted for doing a drug (or saying what you want, or exercising whatever other right you may want to consider), but you can and should be held responsible for the consequences of your exercising that right. If I get drunk, which is my right, I face no prosecution. However, if I get drunk and punch out the downstairs neighbour, then I am liable for the punching out..but not the being drunk part.

I think this distinction is escaping a lot of people on this thread. The legal ramifications (or societal cost) of the actions taken during the exercising of a right in no way alter the existence of the right. Take the old saw about yelling fire in a crowded theatre. You have the right to do so, and cannot be prosecuted for doing so. But, if anybody is injured in the ensuing panic...well that you are responsible for. Its a sometimes subtle distinction (actually its blatantly obvious to me...but I'm just that kind of insightful), but vitally important in the discussion of any right.

< Message edited by Arpig -- 4/18/2011 1:00:05 PM >

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 1:01:57 PM   
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I believe people should have the right to do drugs.
I agree 100% with absolutely no reservations or exceptions.

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RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants wi... - 4/18/2011 1:02:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

First off, thanks for a thought provoking thread.
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I disagree - it's not a "right" if you're able to be legally prosecuted for it. It's simply a choice.
I think we actually agree here. One should not be prosecuted for doing a drug (or saying what you want, or exercising whatever other right you may want to consider), but you can and should be held responsible for the consequences of your exercising that right. If I get drunk, which is my right, I face no prosecution. However, if I get drunk and punch out the downstairs neighbour, then I am liable for the punching out..but not the being drunk part.

I think this distinction is escaping a lot of people on this thread. The legal ramifications (or societal cost) of the actions taken during the exercising of a right in no way alter the existence of the right. Take the old saw about yelling fire in a crowded theatre. You have the right to do so, and cannot be prosecuted for doing so. But, if anybody is injured in the ensuing panic...well that you are responsible for. Its a sometimes subtle distinction (actually its blatantly obvious to me...but I'm just that kind of insightful), but vitally important in the discussion of any right.


You're welcome :)

And yes, we do agree.

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