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I dont buy into the gateway theory as a whole. Many people stop at pot.

<we agree on something again, what do you know, there's hope for us yet >

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I pointed out to him that my generation ,and those preceding ,had conducted all of the tests....and the results were in....lol

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Yeah,well I'm still running certain tests...I feel the need to make sure all of the information available is collected and collated properly....I hate to leave an experiment unfinished.....lol.

ok, i know that both these remarks ( especially the 2nd) were made somewhat in jest, but don't they point out a certain hypocrisy? a "my drug of choice is ok, but yours is not" attitude? from what you have posted, it's apparent you have tried/used various drugs, and yet you would deny that same freedom to experiment to others. why is that?

hannah lynn

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you are as free to do these things as I was

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If a woman can have an abortion based on the assumption that it is her body and she has the right to control it, then by extension she also has the right to ingest whatever she wants.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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If a woman can have an abortion based on the assumption that it is her body and she has the right to control it, then by extension she also has the right to ingest whatever she wants.

Even if she is carrying the baby at the time?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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you are as free to do these things as I was

so you agree i have the right to do so? that's good enough. the rest, all the societal bullshit isn't really important anyway.

hannah lynn

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I like bursting bubbles

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Even if she is carrying the baby at the time?

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And lighten up tazzy babe, it’s just a forum discussion…sheeesh! Maybe sparking one up is in order.

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If we accept the basic premise that a woman has the right to control her own body,

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Abortion is still murder. In that aspect, a woman does not have the right to do what she wants to someone else's body

as long as its physically attached to me and contained within me its part of my body. just as surely as my gall bladder. you're moral position is admirable, but your assumption that your personal ethical position should be forced on the rest of us is not. tell you what, the next time YOU get pregnant, you can have it, but kindly allow the rest of us who actually might get pregnant to make that decision for themselves. either that or start supporting those unwanted children. just how many have you adopted?

hannah lynn

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Nah,tazzy that is beside the point on this matter...if the woman in question is carrying the baby to term...than there must be some sense of responsibility for that baby....and this must,has to absolutely somewhat abridge any claim of "it's my body I will do what I want with it,damage to the fetus inside me be dammed" attitude.
Personal freedoms has to ,of necessity,go hand in hand with personal responsibility....somewhere in that responsibility must be care for the as yet unborn life.

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Abortion IS murder, there is no doubt about it. When a woman conceives, she is not conceiving what will turn out to be a door knob or a puppy, it is, in every case, a child. But...should a woman have the right to abort that child while the child is not viable and exists entirely because of that woman's body? Yes. I believe all of that stops with viability unless there is some overwhelming evidence to suggest that the child that is to be born is horribly deformed and I don't mean a cleft palate. I was thrilled when Bush banned partial birth abortions but I support the trimester system set forth in Roe v. Wade.

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This statute prohibits a method of abortion in the United States that it names "partial birth abortion". The procedure described in the statute is usually used in the second trimester,[3] from 15 to 26 weeks, some of which occur before and some of which occur after viability. The law itself contains no reference to gestational age or viability. The present statute is directed only at a method of abortion, rather than at preventing any woman from obtaining an abortion.[4]

The statute includes two findings of Congress:

“ (1) A moral, medical, and ethical consensus exists that the practice of performing a partial-birth abortion... is a gruesome and inhumane procedure that is never medically necessary and should be prohibited.

(2) Rather than being an abortion procedure that is embraced by the medical community, particularly among physicians who routinely perform other abortion procedures, partial-birth abortion remains a disfavored procedure that is not only unnecessary to preserve the health of the mother, but in fact poses serious risks to the long-term health of women and in some circumstances, their lives. As a result, at least 27 States banned the procedure as did the United States Congress which voted to ban the procedure during the 104th, 105th, and 106th Congresses

Despite its finding that "partial-birth abortion ... is ... unnecessary to preserve the health of the mother", the statute includes the following provision:

“ A defendant accused of an offense under this section may seek a hearing before the State Medical Board on whether the physician's conduct was necessary to save the life of the mother whose life was endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.