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HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/18/2011 9:01:59 PM)
quote: That way....as I think I said many pages ago leads to anarchy and chaos....plain and simple. yes. that is the ultimate goal. actual real untrameled freedom. hannah lynn

MissImmortalPain -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/18/2011 11:01:53 PM)
This may be out of line but.....crack should be legal. So should meth and heroin and weed. What you as a female or male choose to do with your body is up to you. As far as the drugs go(no I dont do drugs) I feel if you want to do them then do them. Just stay home when you do them. Step outside your front door and a cop can put a bullet in your brain because at that point you become a danger to the people around you. As to the topic of abortion. Again yes it is a the womans right to choose but...it is not and should not be viewed as a form of birth control. I am female and firmly believe if you have had nine abortions by the time you are twenty it means you are to stupid to know how to close your legs,do math, or use birth control of other forms,and therefore shouldn't be a parent anyway.So get your tubes snipped and you won't even have to worry about the abortion arguement.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/18/2011 11:55:12 PM)
quote: This may be out of line but..... not in the slightest...that's exactly what we have been arguing about for 20 pages. and welcome to the side of the argument that has reason and logic on its side. :) hannah lynn

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 12:12:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If there were ways to prevent an addict from hurting society while they do unto themselves as they please, I would whole heartedly embrace that. There is a way with drinking... though I wont hold my breath to see that as a mandatory component of all vehicles. So, theoretically speaking, you'd support making drugs legal if there were a way to prevent people from driving while high? I'm actually cool with that. I still don't agree that legalization would need that technology, but it's fairly logically consistent, and I'm actually pretty confident that if there were a need for such a device it would be able to be developed. To me it makes far more sense to prevent high people from driving than to prevent people from getting high.

imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 12:22:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Correct me if I am wrong here but you are basically taking the position that society does not posses the right to pass those laws which they deem prudent...in other words...at one time Prohibition was the law of the land...enough folks ignored,broke that law that society decided to take a look at it...and strike it from the books. Is that not how a society works....and will work again. What you seem to be suggesting is that society doesn't have the right to enact the law in the first place....and yet,whether you like it or not you are a member of,and derive certain advantages from,that same society.To me the basic premise is a total repudiation of any societies ability to collectively decide,and enforce laws in general.That way....as I think I said many pages ago leads to anarchy and chaos....plain and simple. Basically, I'm saying society has no right to tell an individual what they can or can't do with their own body, whether they consider it prudent or not. I think that society can pass laws to protect an individual from harming another person or another person's property. Such as laws against driving drunk, laws against going out in public drunk, laws against performing surgery drunk, etc. But I don't think society should be able to pass laws that protect the individual - such as laws against drinking alcohol period. And really, I don't much trust society to take control over an individual's choices over their own life. It doesn't exactly have the best track record there. Just throw drugs onto the pile of other things that will destroy the foundations of society...like alcohol, abortion, divorce, miscegenation, women voting, gay marriage, etc. Everything I listed was once prevented for society's own good. You can see why I'm not too fussed with letting society's opinion override the individual's?

BitaTruble -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 2:15:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imperatrixx I think that society can pass laws to protect an individual from harming another person or another person's property. Protect? Not really. It's against the law to rob banks yet banks still get robbed. Murder is illegal but I don't think all the dead are going to testify to how protected they felt due to the law. Mostly (there are exceptions of course) laws just provide consequences for actions which have already happened. Back to your OP though. When you say woman (and I did add man by extension.. but I'm bi that way) do you mean woman as in - has started menses so is a woman or perhaps she has been through her Bat Mitzvah- or was it more like - You're an adult now that you are 18.. you're a woman. Something else? Oh, another question. What do you think about the government layering maturity levels with arbitrary age requirements the penultimate being the age of 35 to run for president but plenty of stops in-between. Work permits or part-time jobs for 15's. Drinking at 21. Voting at 18 - things like that?

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 2:29:45 AM)
quote: Oh, another question. What do you think about the government layering maturity levels with arbitrary age requirements the penultimate being the age of 35 to run for president but plenty of stops in-between. Work permits or part-time jobs for 15's. Drinking at 21. Voting at 18 - things like that? i'm opposed to it.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 3:49:16 AM)
quote: Done. I can indeed offer a 100% guarantee that you will never be in any way harmed by anybody doing any drug. What those people may or may not do while under the influence of those drugs is another matter, but the actual taking of the drug itself harms nobody but the taker. You are far more likely to be harmed or killed by somebody not on drugs than by somebody on drugs. Thats not the guarentee I asked for... quote: As I have repeatedly said... do to yourself what you want. But, unless you can guarentee that it will not affect someone else... Decisions have consequences. Im not willing to pay with my life for the decisions of someone else seeking a "high" in life. Something abortion does not do. I have been harmed ... I have been affected...by people who were taking. quote: So you advocate the illegalization of alcohol then? Discussed already.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 6:00:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: some folks shouldn't be allowed to take a car out of park like your sister? [:D][:D] Okay,I am hoping none of the coffee seeped into the laptop....you gave me a hearty,though messy,morning laugh...I needed it, especially as I consider that same sister is today in possession of my vehicle.[:D][:D][:D][:D] quote: your insistence that the laws needed changing in order to more closely reflect your own values. the laws in question are wrong. they restrict my rights as an individual. that is why i say they must be changed. You know ,I do understand what Arpig ,Imper and yourself are saying...but I am afraid I am a pragmatist,always have been...I approach things as they are...not as I would have them be.Tnis has never,ever had much impact on my own behavior....other than making me learn how to do the things I want to do...without drawing undue attention to myself as I do them [:)] hannah lynn

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 6:08:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: This may be out of line but..... not in the slightest...that's exactly what we have been arguing about for 20 pages. and welcome to the side of the argument that has reason and logic on its side. :) hannah lynn Now that is just not fair...there is plenty of reason on the other side of the equation...and enough logic.True enough that the reason and the logic presented does not reach what you see as it's logical conclusion(I see your point...but as I said a few posts ago ,I'm a pragmatist)...that does not mean the arguments are devoid of same.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 9:05:23 AM)
quote: I am hoping none of the coffee seeped into the laptop i hope so to. if it did, i guess we'll have to work out a payment plan;) hannah lynn

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 9:08:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: I am hoping none of the coffee seeped into the laptop i hope so to. if it did, i guess we'll have to work out a payment plan;) hannah lynn That will be quite unnecessary,as you can see it still works rather well....of course if you insist,I am sure some arrangement can be reached [8\|]

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 9:11:02 AM)
quote: Now that is just not fair...there is plenty of reason on the other side of the equation...and enough logic i'm sorry, but if there is, i just don't see it. i am not trying to be provocative or insulting, i just truly do not see the relevance of any of the arguments presented in opposition to the basic premise of the thread. its like this: i (and imperartixx and arpig) am saying that the 1966 corvette stingray is the sexiest car ever built, and others are arguing that this isn't so because baseball is better than football. hannah lynn

Arpig -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 9:51:55 AM)
quote: I have been harmed ... I have been affected...by people who were taking. I'm sure you have, but if you are being honest you will admit that you have been harmed and affected far more often by people who were not.

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 10:05:31 AM)
Baseball is far better than football,now I can advance that argument using both reason and logic....yet I absolutely love football(baseball is just simply ....better)[:)]

HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 10:10:17 AM)
that may be, mike, but that does not alter the fact that the 66 'vette is the sexiest car ever built does it?

slvemike4u -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 10:15:36 AM)
No,that is not altered....but a reasonable argument might be made that another vehicle provided far more practical and varied uses.Now I am going off to play a game devoid of both reason and logic....we call this game golf.It is inferior to Football and Baseball in every way,it will lead to an afternoon of epitaphs uttered and an evening of vicodin swallowed....but I will enjoy the afternoon immensely. Sometimes "reason and logic" are overrated.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 10:59:59 AM)
quote: I'm sure you have, but if you are being honest you will admit that you have been harmed and affected far more often by people who were not. Emotionally, yes. Physically? Nope, you are way off the mark.

tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 11:07:58 AM)
quote: No,that is not altered....but a reasonable argument might be made that another vehicle provided far more practical and varied uses. I just pulled up 8 lists of the "sexiest cars ever built"... the vette didnt make it on any of them.

thishereboi -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/19/2011 12:09:22 PM)
quote: not in the slightest...that's exactly what we have been arguing about for 20 pages. and welcome to the side of the argument that has reason and logic on its side. :) Please explain the logic behind shooting a person because he smoked a joint and walked out into his yard, because I am missing it. "This may be out of line but.....crack should be legal. So should meth and heroin and weed. What you as a female or male choose to do with your body is up to you. As far as the drugs go(no I dont do drugs) I feel if you want to do them then do them. Just stay home when you do them. Step outside your front door and a cop can put a bullet in your brain because at that point you become a danger to the people around you.."

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