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HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 10:49:10 PM)

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Its another reason why it wont be legalized.
because it does what its supposed to do? i thought losing touch with reality and fucking up your mind was the whole point of recreational drugs.

so you feel my right to do what i want with my own body and life should be restricted based on the ill effects of what i want to do? interesting concept that, a right that can only be exercised when its good for you. and who, pray tell, is to determine what is good for me and what is not?

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:01:34 PM)

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The only thing that makes heroin inherently more dangerous is injection.


Withdrawal is much more severe from herion than from methadone.

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Long term users are able to visit the clinic once a week and take the rest of their supply home. Yet they never overdose at home, even without supervision. And they never have to associate with criminals in order to acquire the drug.


So your suggestion is to offer it from clinics? Im really confused about where you are going with this.

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Long term users are able to visit the clinic once a week and take the rest of their supply home.


That depends on the clinic, specifically. Some do, some dont.

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Long term users are able to visit the clinic once a week and take the rest of their supply home. Yet they never overdose at home, even without supervision. And they never have to associate with criminals in order to acquire the drug.



February 8, 2010 (San Antonio, Texas) — A national review of unintentional overdose deaths involving opioids has shown that a disproportionate number of them are related to methadone use, researchers said here at the American Academy of Pain Medicine 26th Annual Meeting.

In this review, 30% of such deaths involve methadone, whereas only 5% of the nation’s opioid prescriptions are written for methadone. Researchers noted that the problems appeared to center on those prescribed methadone for pain and not those receiving methadone at treatment centers for addiction.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/716603

A google search brought up many news stories about deaths related to the illegal selling of methadone to others as well as unintentional deaths related to methadone ingestion.

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As far as violence and murder, I think this depends on the person. Two men can go to a liquor store and buy a bottle of jack, one ends up going home and having a jack and coke, the other drinks the whole bottle, beats his wife and falls asleep in his own vomit. Should the fact that the second man is unable to control himself mean that the first shouldn't be able to drink at all?


Its one of those things I dont have to have. So my answer would be yes. I find my highs naturally. Sex especially gives me some great highs.



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:07:07 PM)

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so you feel my right to do what i want with my own body and life should be restricted based on the ill effects of what i want to do? interesting concept that, a right that can only be exercised when its good for you. and who, pray tell, is to determine what is good for me and what is not?


And if someone gets high off of killing other people? Why stop at what you can do to just yourself... murder should be perfectly legal.

I also dont suppose you would mind of your physician comes in for surgery after using. I minded a great deal when OBGYNs came in for deliveries with alcohol on their breath and would not alow them to touch patients.

I also suppose the day care worker can use just a little. Oh and the security guards at the places you shop... ever wonder what they would do if they were high on duty and you were going to try something on? dang pesky cameras.

And lets not forget jr who is coming to take out marysue. Of course he can use... its legal and its for his personal enjoyment. disregard the fact that marysue doesnt use, and will be riding shot gun.

And what about that cop.... armed under a psychotic episode... hmmm... headline news... maybe not.

ETA because its 2 am and im off to bed.....

Your rights end where mine begin. I have the right to a relatively safe life from the ill effects you seem to gain so much enjoyment from. Alcohol kills... in abundance. I would love to see breathlyzers installed as a mandatory item on all vehicles sold within the US.

What you want to do within the confines of your home is your business. When it flows into the streets, it becomes societies business. I am part of that society, so it does become my business.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:16:08 PM)

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And if someone gets high off of killing other people? Why stop at what you can do to just yourself... murder should be perfectly legal.
don't be an idiot! that involves doing something to another person's body and is thus unrelated to the topic.

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I also dont suppose you would mind of your physician comes in for surgery after using. I minded a great deal when OBGYNs came in for deliveries with alcohol on their breath and would not alow them to touch patients.
of course i would mind. and would find another physician, but again that really has nothing to do with the question at hand.

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I also suppose the day care worker can use just a little. Oh and the security guards at the places you shop... ever wonder what they would do if they were high on duty and you were going to try something on? dang pesky cameras.
also irrelevant.

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And lets not forget jr who is coming to take out marysue. Of course he can use... its legal and its for his personal enjoyment. disregard the fact that marysue doesnt use, and will be riding shot gun.
more overly dramatic irrelevancies.

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And what about that cop.... armed under a psychotic episode... hmmm... headline news... maybe not.
and yet more...

the topic is if one has the right to do it, not if it is sensible, wise, or appropriate to do so.  if you can't discuss the topic without continually bring up irrelevancies, stay out of it.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:18:53 PM)

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don't be an idiot!


I am far from being an idiot and I dont appreciate the personal attack.

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the topic is if one has the right to do it, not if it is sensible, wise, or appropriate to do so. if you can't discuss the topic without continually bring up irrelevancies, stay out of it.


I suggest you read by addition.

Again, dont attack the poster, which is a strict policy here. I have not once called into question anyone's intelligence. Keep your posts to a decent discussion about the facts and opinions of the topic, not the poster.



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:23:40 PM)

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the topic is if one has the right to do it, not if it is sensible, wise, or appropriate to do so. if you can't discuss the topic without continually bring up irrelevancies, stay out of it.


Are you trying to say all of those little scenarios are irrelevant? Part of someone having the right to do something involves the question of it being sensible, wise or appropriate.




TheRaptorJesus -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:26:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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so you feel my right to do what i want with my own body and life should be restricted based on the ill effects of what i want to do? interesting concept that, a right that can only be exercised when its good for you. and who, pray tell, is to determine what is good for me and what is not?


And if someone gets high off of killing other people? Why stop at what you can do to just yourself... murder should be perfectly legal.

Nice Republicans-Trying-To-Ban-Gay-Marriage logic.

Hurr durr... if two men can marry then why not a man and a turtle?!

Apples are not orange. Ingesting a substance =/= directly influencing the life of another person.



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:28:24 PM)

It doesnt affect me if they do it within their own home, you are correct. It does affect me when they leave that home under the influence.



TheRaptorJesus -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:29:15 PM)

Which is why public intoxication is illegal.

Which is why workplaces don't allow you drunk at work. Same applies to any inebriation. It's not hard to grasp.



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:30:40 PM)

Its not hard to grasp at all. And that isnt what is being discussed at the moment.

This is...

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so you feel my right to do what i want with my own body and life should be restricted based on the ill effects of what i want to do?



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:33:03 PM)

there was no personal attack, merely an observation of the fact that you are discussing a topic utterly unrelated to that of the thread.

i withdraw the idiot remark, it was out of line, but the example i was responding to was idiotic.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:35:09 PM)

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so you feel my right to do what i want with my own body and life should be restricted based on the ill effects of what i want to do?


You made this statement. I responded to that statement. Thats far from idiotic. In all those scenarios, the person did what they wanted to do with their own bodies and their own lives. Yet each could affect the life or body of another. And that is my point when i say your freedom ends where mine begins.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:37:25 PM)

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Part of someone having the right to do something involves the question of it being sensible, wise or appropriate.
no it doesn't. a right exists outside of the wisdom of its application. a right is absolute and above morality.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:38:33 PM)

So then, using your definition, murder can be a right.



imperatrixx -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:39:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So then, using your definition, murder can be a right.


We are discussing whether people have the right to do what they want to their own body, not whether they have the right to do what they want to other people's bodies.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:41:03 PM)

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It does affect me when they leave that home under the influence.
again, irrelevant. a right is not dependent on how it may affect you.

hannah lynn



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:42:46 PM)

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And that is my point when i say your freedom ends where mine begins.
no. your freedoms in no way abridge mine. your personal safety and happiness is your affair, not anybody else's.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:43:55 PM)

I beg to differ, as with the murder example. Someone may feel hey have the right to murder someone. Thats their "high", it makes them feel good.

Alcohol makes people feel good. How many alcohol related deaths are there each year?

Its really funny. The only drug I have no issue with, except when using and driving, is pot, and only then because it slows down reaction time, but they tend to drive slower so it makes up for that.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:44:54 PM)

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So then, using your definition, murder can be a right.
i dealt with that one already. the premise is stupid. that involves a right to do what you want with another person. a right you do NOT have.

hannah lynn



tazzygirl -> RE: "A woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body" (4/16/2011 11:45:12 PM)

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no. your freedoms in no way abridge mine. your personal safety and happiness is your affair, not anybody else's.


How is that different from someone who wants to get high by murdering you?



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