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Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 7:47:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ah, they dont wear habits in georgia? http://www.wtoc.com/global/story.asp?s=12905678 Seems you walk around with blinders on. Oh chit! you mean they wear their habits in their own residence? http://www.wtoc.com/global/story.asp?s=12905678 BTW, great compassion you show there, the news pic of Nuns being chased out of their home by a fire so as to make your point. You mean they wear their habits at private cultural education functions that have no relation to promotion of their own religion? http://www.scnfamily.org/news/index.php?categories=Pittsburgh Do you mean that you lack reading comprehension or any other sort of comprehension as to understand what "public" or "grocery store" means? To the extent that I do not stalk convents or Nuns at private cultural educational events; yes, if that be your definition, I indeed "walk around with blinders on." What do you wear when you look at a dictionary (that being a generous assumption on my part), field glasses? Doesn't help much, does it? Whatever it is, it seems to do you not much good.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 8:58:14 AM)
Rofl.. excuses excuses excuses... you are FULL of them! So, how about a nun at the Braves Baseball game... is that public enough for you? I like the Atlanta Braves well enough, but I’m not a special fan. They’re 18 games behind the Mets in the NL East, and I’m looking forward to a Tigers-Mets World Series. But Sister Marian of the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne loves her Braves. She went to a Braves game when she was a young nun, and had that baseball epiphany that smites the true fan. “She adored everything about it: the grass, the sun, the fans, the players and the pretzels,” writes Jack Curry of the Times. Six days a week, Sister Marian cares for dying cancer patients, the ministry of the Hawthorne Dominicans. Her favorite thing to do on her day off is, naturally, to go to a Braves game. Bobby Dews, the Braves’ bullpen coach, is a close friend of Sister Marian. He’s moved by her work with the dying. “It’s just an incredible feeling to know there are people, earthly people, who care about us the way God does,” he says [image]local://upfiles/502828/48F4F0B3CFF14BD39233935D1EEB394F.jpg[/image] Now since we both know you will never admit to being wrong about them wearing.. or not wearing.. habits anymore, this ends our little tiff.

Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 10:35:56 AM)
Being as that I never made claim as to who of them wore habits in public anymore, but merely my own experience at several grocery and hardware et al. stores in a neighborhood with two Catholic churches nearby (the "I haven't seen ... " being the tip-off to the capable reader), if your lack of reading comprehension equates to my 'being wrong' in your world, so be it.

geilematz -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 11:02:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Geilematz ist hier! Yes, post 33 was actually about the topic, unlike the last two posts. OK, so blnymph missed the 'religion' part of the "Evolution vs. Religion" OP. I don't expect perfect reading comprehension from people on the forums. And what do you have to say on the subject, while were at it? The OP, that is. Whichever part you understand. since being flattered by being addressed in person ... I agree with blnymph that the "religion" part is - by Jove (in avoidance of any other ...) - massively overdone here - I still like the way the matter was addressed in message no.1 ... but in my opinion there is no "vs." anyway since both issues have NOTHING (repeat: nothing at all) to do with one another. If in doubt I recommend actually reading Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species which is a surprisingly entertaining book to read and the "vs." discussion reminds me of the Astronomy vs. Religion discussion of centuries ago in regard to Copernicus and Galileo Galilei ... even the Catholic church could, just after only about 4 and a half centuries, admit in public that both subjects have nothing to do with each other and believers are no longer expected to defend the flat earth theory ... so there is still hope on earth ... maybe in about 2400 some might declare peace with Darwin too until then I take the liberty not to take any of the flat earth or the like - believers seriously ...

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 11:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Good for you. I live in a more diverse and more aware area. From prior experience, I don't expect people in that region to be too 'swift' in catching up to things, nor any proclivity to have much consideration for others. It can't be too diverse if there are no nuns[8\|]

Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 11:56:46 AM)
As I pointed out before, Two Catholic churches each ~ a half mile away from everywhere I shop. The issue was addressing what they wear in public or not. What is this, 'National Dense Day' or something? Anyone that actually has any point to make here is welcome to it. No law against it, I swear. PS At least not for the moment.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 12:23:10 PM)
Either you are blind or you are lying. ~shrugs I dont care which it is.

Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 12:48:27 PM)
Geile, I am actually flattered that you chose my post among all the others to call into question. My German is nowhere near up to the task, but I suspect that you appreciate my efforts in any case. The "vs." thing is something presented by the original poster, so that would be best addressed to that person. But I agree with you that it's almost like saying "hippopotamus's vs. zucchini." The world is full of false or artificial dichotomies. But back to what you prefer to discuss (myself too), Darwin's theory is a nice starting point, but it is to current science on the matter as what one would teach to a second grader. There is much more to it than his first-blush entertainments on his observations. There is the aspect of 'punctuated equilibrium,' for one thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium or even better, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punktualismus As others in this thread have pointed out already, mutation goes on all the time, for both the oldest and newest bacteria or animals. Where change in species occurs comes to the issue of which mutation(s) promote adaptation to new conditions, some of which are slowly evolving, a few of which are rather abrupt. There are alligators in the Amazon and in Africa that bury themselves in mud and can 'live' that way (even if technically half-dead) for two years or more. The some of them that survived the initial shock of whatever earth-wide volcano eruptions or one or several large asteroid impacts would be well equipped to come out two years later and go back to what they were doing before. This also explains why sea creatures generally go much further back than land animals. They could survive it better, so less need for drastic adaptation. Other animals survived too, if few of them, but those few might have had to go through some drastic change to move forward. The air would be completely different in either event, the water higher or lower, the composition of it different, etc. That Darwinistic 'gradual change' get's rocked every once in awhile.

Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 12:52:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Either you are blind or you are lying. ~shrugs I dont care which it is. The posts are all open. You or anyone are welcome to copy/paste the lies as you see them. The deal is, you actually have to understand what you are reading this time around. Don't embarrass yourself further here.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 1:00:56 PM)
Proven wrong and you still argue the point. You do enjoy beating a dead horse.

Edwynn -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 1:11:05 PM)
The 'proof' in this instance as thinking people would see it still awaits. The proof that you have no interest other than itchy-butt antagonism towards any attempt at others' serious discussion abounds.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 1:14:13 PM)
Ohhhhhhhh im sorry.... you are trying to get your mack on. [;)] got it. Good luck with that... you need it. [:D]

DarkestDezirez -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 2:14:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I don't want this to turn into an atheist vs. christian thread, or one side bashing the other, there is something I've been wondering about lately. According to creationism, God created everything. According to evolution, everything evolved from a single cell. If evolution is true, then why didn't every cell continue to evolve? Why did frogs not continue to evolve? What stalled a shark's evolution? Yes, I am a Christian, so I am in the creationism camp, and how everything came to be is easy to figure out. However, this point, for me, stalls the evolution camp. Now I'm not saying there isn't an explanation, just that I've never heard one. So for those of you who can explain this to me, I would appreciate it. Keep in mind though, science is soooo not my thing, so please keep it simple! The problem I have with the creationist outlook is it assumes that we've reached the end of the movie and this is as far as it goes; humans are the end-point of evolution, the top dogs, the Apex of Apex predators. Well, if you rewind 65 million years and we were a bunch of Tyrannosaurus Rexes kicking back and cruising the info highway, we might say: "Yo, Fred. What's with those little hairy things running around, dropping their young without laying eggs and having the sprogs hanging off those bewbie things? What's with those, anyway? Have you seen the way they bounce and swing when the hairy thing runs away from us? OMG - LOL - Toooooo funny. And how come they stalled out in their little holes and didn't develop to the point where they could give us a run for the money in the stalk/kill/eat game?" "Dunno, man. What I do know is they're a bunch of losers, stuck in an evo dead end and they'll never amount to anything more than canapes at the next DinoMasons soiree. More importantly, what do you think that bright light is? It seems to be hanging over the Gulf of Mexico - think the Stegosaurs are having another rave in Cancun and we're not invited? Shit, man ... so we ate a couple of their young 'uns at the last one; why are they making such a federal case out of it? AFK - just saw a baby Hadrosaur with a bum leg limping past the window. Dinner!!! LOL LOL LOL" The point is - evolution is an ongoing process and 65 million years from now, who knows? Maybe Zombies will be on top? One thing I'm pretty much sure of is: we're not at the end of the movie and have no way of knowing what the future holds.

thishereboi -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 2:23:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn The 'proof' in this instance as thinking people would see it still awaits. The proof that you have no interest other than itchy-butt antagonism towards any attempt at others' serious discussion abounds. See what? Nuns walking around in habits? It happens every day. Now you may not see them, but they are there. Now what does that have to do with some guy writing an article to make himself sound superior because of his lack of faith?

Kirata -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 6:44:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkestDezirez The problem I have with the creationist outlook is it assumes that we've reached the end of the movie and this is as far as it goes; humans are the end-point of evolution... That's a good point. When asked if he believed God existed, Frank Wilczek smiled. His answer? "Not yet." K.

lickenforyou -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 7:06:33 PM)
quote: licken quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Voting for a well qualified candidate who happens to be an atheist is somehow supporting a 'group'? How does that work? Am I supporting the Catholic 'group' when I vote for a qualified candidate who happens to be Catholic? Should I check up on the religion or lack thereof of every candidate and cast my vote based on their religion, or lack thereof, instead of their record and position on key issues? I think that you are still reacting to the article posted earlier, Tazzy. Either you were venting, or you really have no issue with painting everyone who identifies as an atheist with the same brush. If it is the latter, how is your position any different from that of atheists who treat all religious people like members of the WBC? oooooooook.. first.. No Im not painting everyone with the same brush. Did I say thats how I felt? quote: Should I check up on the religion or lack thereof of every candidate and cast my vote based on their religion, or lack thereof, instead of their record and position on key issues? Are you saying the writers of that piece didnt check? Hell, I never know what religious affiliation anyone else has unless it hits the headlines. I could care less. Having said that, I also was raised in a catholic home. And if anyone believes that tripe of an article will endear anyone who is religious to their cause is sadly mistaken. Funno how atheists represent at the most 4% of the US population, the study posted by licken states that 50% would not vote for an atheist, yet that means 50% would... and they find a "lack" of support. Maybe people need to stop looking at one piece of the person and look at the totality. And thats for both sides of the "religion" issue. AS for the WBC, they are a bunch of fruitloops without a bowl. So, only half the people in this country are ignorant, scared, and/or bigoted.

tazzygirl -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 7:22:32 PM)
quote: So, only half the people in this country are ignorant, scared, and/or bigoted. Again, your solution?

eihwaz -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 8:38:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn [...]Other animals survived too, if few of them, but those few might have had to go through some drastic change to move forward. [...] Birds, for example.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 8:54:47 PM)
Why do Believers persist in believing that non-belief is a belief?

anthrosub -> RE: Evolution vs. Religion (5/4/2011 8:58:41 PM)
At the very base of it, every living being on this planet is in essence a species unto itself (yes...that includes you too). Human beings have studied all life and grouped those together that share similar traits. The more traits in common, the closer they are considered to be "of the same species". I think this is important to realize when thinking about evolution. Those who are not so familir with humankind's propensity to organize life into categories and niches sometimes get frustrated trying to fit the hierachy into the evolutionary model. It does fit to some extent but not totally because it (the hierachy) is a human construct and really has nothing to do with reality. As a side note, this is actually a pretty good thread to read for a change.

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