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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

The two girls followed her into the restroom with the intent of beating her.

Do you have a good source on this? There is obviously more to the story than what the video shows.

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
As Fox said, this happened quite close to both of us. I actually have been in that McDonalds in Rosedale. (hate to actually admit that but, yes, from time to time I eat total garbage) It's a horrible reality, and I wish I could tell you that this type of thing is rare, but it isn't. It is a risk that many transwomen face daily....it's a risk that many pre-transition transmen face as well.

There is a vigil being planned for her-- it is absolutely sickening to me that anyone could find delight in harming another person, and stand by while it happens. It sickens me worse that some find it entertaining to make flippant remarks at her expense. I absolutely will not read any of the "responses" that some have posted o the local newspaper. They have both girls in custody--they are contemplating charging them with a racially motivated hate crime. The local groups here and in DC are pushing to make this a hate crime based on gender identity but surprise, surprise...... we aren't "protected."

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

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ORIGINAL: TheShrew
Like it or not, the general rules we abide by each day were constructed by the vanilla world, and I think it safe to say quite a few people in this world are vanilla/straight-laced. Hence, it stands to reason a couple of straight laced, vanilla girls would perceive a man using the ladies room as some type of perv out to harm/peep them.  NO, I am NOT alluding that this was his intent. Merely speculating on how negatively most women would react to discovering a man in the ladies room.. in drag.

First--everything that we have heard thus far from the local press is that the victim is a transgendered woman.  She isn't exactly a poster girl of a model citizen, but regardless, she is living as a woman. While you're correct, most of the nilla world refuses to accept her as such, calling her a man (that was my interpretation of your post--I do hope I'm mistaken) isn't really accurate or fair.

The two girls followed her into the restroom with the intent of beating her.
If they were concerned that (as you put it) a "man" went into the ladies room, they could have told the management to let them deal with it.  What they did was unacceptable (I'm sure you agree with me on that point) and to hear bystanders laughing, it was deplorable.

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
I imagine it must be really hard for biological males who wish to change gender roles. Some people (other males usually) can start on men just for looking a little different. I have long hair and where I'm from sometimes get a lot of shit even though I have what some might call an imposing presence lol. For me its only a marginal thing so I can only imagine how much harder it must be for TGs who deal with being different at a much greater level. The treat of violence must be ever present.

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

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ORIGINAL: TheShrew
Like it or not, the general rules we abide by each day were constructed by the vanilla world, and I think it safe to say quite a few people in this world are vanilla/straight-laced. Hence, it stands to reason a couple of straight laced, vanilla girls would perceive a man using the ladies room as some type of perv out to harm/peep them.  NO, I am NOT alluding that this was his intent. Merely speculating on how negatively most women would react to discovering a man in the ladies room.. in drag.

First--everything that we have heard thus far from the local press is that the victim is a transgendered woman.  She isn't exactly a poster girl of a model citizen, but regardless, she is living as a woman. While you're correct, most of the nilla world refuses to accept her as such, calling her a man (that was my interpretation of your post--I do hope I'm mistaken) isn't really accurate or fair.

The two girls followed her into the restroom with the intent of beating her.
If they were concerned that (as you put it) a "man" went into the ladies room, they could have told the management to let them deal with it.  What they did was unacceptable (I'm sure you agree with me on that point) and to hear bystanders laughing, it was deplorable.

Agreed, there was no excuse to initiate violence. Worse still they repeatedly returned to attack the victim long after making their point. Maybe they were just looking for an excuse.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I know I kind of quoted funny here, but I did it on purpose.  The above was something I mentioned last night during some mail.  It's My personal opinion that a person should use the restroom designated to the gender they are presenting as.  This doesn't mean that either option is risk free.  While I agree that the attackers in this video were basically just looking for a fight, it still poses problems.  Some women aren't going to accept a biological male dressed as a woman and are going to have an issue with that.  Some men are going to have an issue with someone dressed in woman's clothing using the men's room.  I'll bet it can be difficult at times to try to figure out as a TG which one is the safer option.

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
I have never--not once--encountered anyone in the ladies room who was there for obscene/unethical purposes.  The transwomen I've encountered in the ladies room were there for one reason and one reason only--to use the toilet.  I've worked with the folks at the NGLTF (National Gay Lesbian Task Force) and Equality Maryland (a civil rights group) and have yet to find a single statistic of a MTF attacking a woman in a restroom. 

Most transgendered women I know get very nervous in public restrooms because they are scared of assault....or someone calling the cops, and the cops beat them up.  The victim in this case is a transitioned woman, there is absolutely zero reason that she should be denied the right to use a public restroom.  This was just plain hate.  no sugar coating it.  I wonder if anyone would have come to her aid if she had been a biological female.

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
I have never--not once--encountered anyone in the ladies room who was there for obscene/unethical purposes.  The transwomen I've encountered in the ladies room were there for one reason and one reason only--to use the toilet.  I've worked with the folks at the NGLTF (National Gay Lesbian Task Force) and Equality Maryland (a civil rights group) and have yet to find a single statistic of a MTF attacking a woman in a restroom. 

Most transgendered women I know get very nervous in public restrooms because they are scared of assault....or someone calling the cops, and the cops beat them up.  The victim in this case is a transitioned woman, there is absolutely zero reason that she should be denied the right to use a public restroom.  This was just plain hate.  no sugar coating it.  I wonder if anyone would have come to her aid if she had been a biological female.

Hi, I don't have much knowledge of this subject - it was really just a supposition that if some men who identify themselves as men but wear womens clothes for fetishistic reasons were to use a womens toilet then I can well understand why women would feel uncomfortable as they wouldn't be much different to normal men other than outward appearance. I understand some women might feel uncomfortable but I do think that out of a choice of MtoF TGs using a mens toilet or a womens, it is probably best to use the latter generally speaking basically just from a safety point of view. You are right - the customers would have helped a normal girl in all probability and a lot of it must have been down to hostility.

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ORIGINAL: TheShrew

Please, read my response twice before you fly up my nose, because I do not advocate physical violence of any kind, against anyone, for many reasons. {Unless you are being attacked/defending yourself.. then, you kick their ass.}   

In the South there is an old redneck phrase ... "just because a cat can birth her kittens in the oven, that don't make'em biscuits." 

In comparison, "just because the gentleman fancies himself a lady, that does not make him female."

Like it or not, the general rules we abide by each day were constructed by the vanilla world, and I think it safe to say quite a few people in this world are vanilla/straight-laced. Hence, it stands to reason a couple of straight laced, vanilla girls would perceive a man using the ladies room as some type of perv out to harm/peep them.  NO, I am NOT alluding that this was his intent. Merely speculating on how negatively most women would react to discovering a man in the ladies room.. in drag.

Shame on the people who watched the spectacle as well as the person filming. Kudos to the man in the blue shirt who repeatedly intervened. Kudos to the old lady for attempting to defend the man, and shame on the girl who punched the old lady in the eye.

~ Repetition for the skimmers ~  I am not advocating physical violence against this person for his sexual preference or gender affiliation. I am saying .. perhaps, he should not have been in the ladies room.

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I know I kind of quoted funny here, but I did it on purpose. The above was something I mentioned last night during some mail. It's My personal opinion that a person should use the restroom designated to the gender they are presenting as. This doesn't mean that either option is risk free. While I agree that the attackers in this video were basically just looking for a fight, it still poses problems. Some women aren't going to accept a biological male dressed as a woman and are going to have an issue with that. Some men are going to have an issue with someone dressed in woman's clothing using the men's room. I'll bet it can be difficult at times to try to figure out as a TG which one is the safer option.

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ORIGINAL: TheShrew

Please, read my response twice before you fly up my nose, because I do not advocate physical violence of any kind, against anyone, for many reasons. {Unless you are being attacked/defending yourself.. then, you kick their ass.}   

In the South there is an old redneck phrase ... "just because a cat can birth her kittens in the oven, that don't make'em biscuits." 

In comparison, "just because the gentleman fancies himself a lady, that does not make him female."

Like it or not, the general rules we abide by each day were constructed by the vanilla world, and I think it safe to say quite a few people in this world are vanilla/straight-laced. Hence, it stands to reason a couple of straight laced, vanilla girls would perceive a man using the ladies room as some type of perv out to harm/peep them.  NO, I am NOT alluding that this was his intent. Merely speculating on how negatively most women would react to discovering a man in the ladies room.. in drag.

Shame on the people who watched the spectacle as well as the person filming. Kudos to the man in the blue shirt who repeatedly intervened. Kudos to the old lady for attempting to defend the man, and shame on the girl who punched the old lady in the eye.

~ Repetition for the skimmers ~  I am not advocating physical violence against this person for his sexual preference or gender affiliation. I am saying .. perhaps, he should not have been in the ladies room.

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Hi WOTF--
I've been a lot of public bathrooms (for their designed purpose)-both mens and womens-- I have run into perverts in the mensroom--but never were they wearing womens' garments.  They were dressed like anyone else--but were obviously looking for sex.

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

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ORIGINAL: TheShrew

Please, read my response twice before you fly up my nose, because I do not advocate physical violence of any kind, against anyone, for many reasons. {Unless you are being attacked/defending yourself.. then, you kick their ass.}   

In the South there is an old redneck phrase ... "just because a cat can birth her kittens in the oven, that don't make'em biscuits." 

In comparison, "just because the gentleman fancies himself a lady, that does not make him female."

Like it or not, the general rules we abide by each day were constructed by the vanilla world, and I think it safe to say quite a few people in this world are vanilla/straight-laced. Hence, it stands to reason a couple of straight laced, vanilla girls would perceive a man using the ladies room as some type of perv out to harm/peep them.  NO, I am NOT alluding that this was his intent. Merely speculating on how negatively most women would react to discovering a man in the ladies room.. in drag.

Shame on the people who watched the spectacle as well as the person filming. Kudos to the man in the blue shirt who repeatedly intervened. Kudos to the old lady for attempting to defend the man, and shame on the girl who punched the old lady in the eye.

~ Repetition for the skimmers ~  I am not advocating physical violence against this person for his sexual preference or gender affiliation. I am saying .. perhaps, he should not have been in the ladies room.

So what should she have done?  If you think she'd get a reaction going in to the women's bathroom, what do you think the reaction should be when she goes into the men's bathroom?  Men don't like it when a trans person comes into their bathroom either, I know that from personal experience.

Also, if she's fulltime, she's chances are she's on hormones, which definitely makes her not just a "man in drag." For one thing hormones give you a woman's musculature, making her no stronger than any other woman (as you can see from the video.) 

I do no think it's reasonable to assume that a transperson going into the women's bathroom should expect to get attacked.

Also, the attacker had a previous assault charge in the very same MacDonald's

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

Please excuse my ignorance hausboy but reg. the above quote in bold print how is that right? Either you want to be recognized as 1 specific sex or not. Why is it you use both bathrooms in public?

Now about the beating, for all, please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard that the attackers went after the victim because they THOUGHT she was talking it up w/one of their bf's, no? So technically it's not a hate crime (they didn't beat her because she was a TG). They probably didnt even know she was a "male" until after the beating started.

I watched the interview w/the victim's grandmother & she kept referring to "her" as a male (he, him, his etc). "I didn't realize that was "him" being beaten. I thought that was interesting (strange) to hear.

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

What if I told you that you live in a world where a majority of people think that no matter how much trouble you go through, you'll still always be a guy to them?

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In my experience, most cross-dressers prefer to do this activity in private or at a club. I have not encountered many cross-dressers out and about.

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ORIGINAL: MaxsBoy

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ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

Please excuse my ignorance hausboy but reg. the above quote in bold print how is that right? Either you want to be recognized as 1 specific sex or not. Why is it you use both bathrooms in public?

Now about the beating, for all, please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard that the attackers went after the victim because they THOUGHT she was talking it up w/one of their bf's, no? So technically it's not a hate crime (they didn't beat her because she was a TG). They probably didnt even know she was a "male" until after the beating started.

I watched the interview w/the victim's grandmother & she kept referring to "her" as a male (he, him, his etc). "I didn't realize that was "him" being beaten. I thought that was interesting (strange) to hear.

Excuse me for speaking for hausboy, but I think he means that he used the women's room before transition, and the men's room after, so he has been in both many times.

As for the awareness of the attackers, it seems pretty clear to me that they knew.  The first words heard from them in the video are "she has a dick", and later Chrissy is heard saying "then where am I supposed to go?", indicating that the attack had at least something to do with her choice of restroom.

The grandmother can be explained pretty easily - family members (especially older ones) have a hard time accepting transition, and will often refuse (or just forget) to use the proper pronouns.  Max's family refuses to call me by male pronouns.  Doesn't make me a transvestite, or a pervert in men's clothing.