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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 4/29/2011 4:38:12 PM   
ParappaTheDapper


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ORIGINAL: WillowBayU

It seems like a lot of dominant males - but not all, of course - seem to have fragile egos that are very easily bruised.  


Is ego a deal breaker for you? This is the kind of thing that I find fascinating because there are some traits (slovenliness, for example) that pretty much everyone agrees are serious problems in partners but then there are some qualities, like bigass radioactive egos, that are problems for some people but that other people seek out. I find an ego in a dominant woman to be ravishingly sexy!

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 4/29/2011 6:49:32 PM   
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Since I'm with my first and only dom, I can't say there are things that I've seen frequently. His individual quirk that annoys me is taking off socks inside out and leaving them under furniture. Having to crawl under tables and desks to do laundry is a perennial problem here. Oddly enough, it's frequently only one sock. Which always makes me wonder where the other one is. And he keeps wondering why he has to buy new socks so often.

Men in general, I've known too many insecure men who can't deal with a smart woman. Instead of being proud of having her pick him, they tend to put the women down. Being smart, this is something I looked for and ran the other way.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 4/29/2011 7:24:20 PM   
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A fragile dominant . . . like a glass cannon?  I have seen some emotionally immature dominants with the sensitive ego of a high school boy, is that what you mean?  That doesn't seem more common in the BDSM crowd than in the vanilla world.  In fact, to me, it seems less common.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 4/30/2011 3:55:13 PM   
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A fragile dominant . . . like a glass cannon? I have seen some emotionally immature dominants with the sensitive ego of a high school boy, is that what you mean? That doesn't seem more common in the BDSM crowd than in the vanilla world. In fact, to me, it seems less common.


Is ego a deal breaker for you? This is the kind of thing that I find fascinating because there are some traits (slovenliness, for example) that pretty much everyone agrees are serious problems in partners but then there are some qualities, like bigass radioactive egos, that are problems for some people but that other people seek out. I find an ego in a dominant woman to be ravishingly sexy!

Well, for me it is just what I have observed. Please understand that I am NOT saying this is par for the course.  But it is my experience, which is what you asked about.  Is it a deal-breaker for me?  No... for me, it is like...sigh...ok.  Let little subbie kiss it and make it all better.  Now, I also did not say having an ego is a problem - but having a fragile ego, that is so fucking easily bruised, is annoying.  To me, anyway, when my ass is bruised and I have turned my body and mind inside out for some Dom, who becomes petulant over some stupid reason.  Okay - CAUGHT.  Yes, I have more experience than I let on. But it is because I really just want to learn more here, and not be harassed to IM, chat, call, or meet with random guys. 

But to ResidentSadist, yes...glass cannon is a very apt description.  Now also please keep in mind I have zero experience in the "BDSM" scene.  But some independent experience with a couple of Doms.

Thank you both for commenting on my post.  I really just wanted to talk.  And thanks, ParappaTheDapper, for the initial post.

And sorry - I didn't figure out how to do quotes yet.

Willow

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 4/30/2011 5:05:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ParappaTheDapper
So what are some flaws and/or personality traits you have run across often enough in your partners that you start to look for them now?


Unwillingness to punish or be firm when it was needed. He was my world and I accepted everything he did and thought as right. In fact, it's taken me years to consider the idea that he might have done anything wrong, but in hindsight I can finally see that this lack of discipline or any form of correction brought out a plethroa of unsightly character flaws in me. I think he loved me too much and justified that by imagining I was this wonderful slave and did not need punishment--despite daily evidence to the contrary. But that was long ago and far away. Facing hardship in life and struggling alone taught me pretty well what he could or would not.

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/1/2011 2:23:59 AM   
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Males doms who think all females are somehow less than them is a big red flag to me. There is no way I could be compatible with a person who held this belief.

My desire to submit has *nothing* to do with thinking I'm lesser, and *everything* to do with celebrating how we are different.





This, totally. I've never had it in a partner, but I've seen it often enough from other Doms. Or those Doms who think it's somehow natural or biological for women to submit to men. I submit because I like it (with the right Dom) not because I have to.

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/1/2011 3:41:19 AM   
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yes, i am with ChatteParfaitt too

that said i have noticed that many dominant people have this 'need' to always win...
and feel like they lose face if they don't... especially when they lose to a sub
i think that makes them difficult to deal with sometimes
so, i have on occasion been dishonest enough to let people win for all round good feelings

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/1/2011 10:12:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WillowBayU

for me, it is like...sigh...ok.  Let little subbie kiss it and make it all better.  Now, I also did not say having an ego is a problem - but having a fragile ego, that is so fucking easily bruised, is annoying.  To me, anyway, when my ass is bruised and I have turned my body and mind inside out for some Dom, who becomes petulant over some stupid reason.



I despise the combination of petulance and egotism in men, possibly because I spent so much time in my teens watching my mom play mother to a husband with exactly these traits. Baby Huey insisted on driving a Cadillac with tinted windows that he couldn't afford, then pouted in the corner and let my mom deal when the financial shit hit the fan. Same situation with the big screen TV. Life was nothing but status to him, but he lacked the balls to make the sacrifices and take the risks that the attainment of status demands. What's more, he lacked the brains to see that he lacked the balls.

Reminds me of that episode of I Dream of Jeannie* where Larry Tate said, "But you have to let me rule the world. Ever since I was a little boy, I've wanted to rule the world!"

My mom was not a submissive. I can only try to imagine being stuck between your particular rock and hard place.

*Or was that Bewitched? I can't remember.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/1/2011 10:24:56 AM   
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I thought of two more flaws, but these are not ones expressed by dominants I have been involved with, just ones I have observed in other dominants:

1. They are incomplete. This happens when a dominant is still processing his or her dominance, coming to terms with it. This processing sometimes takes years, so "10 years in the lifestyle" is no guarantee that you won't run into this type. While "still processing" doesn't sound bad as stated, the side effects are often very bad, particularly for a submissive who is herself complete and unconflicted. Often, such partially-cooked dominants have violent, angry responses to some fairly ordinary aspects of control and dominance while at the same time they fully accept other aspects. It's bizarre to see certain things singled out as evil while others are not, when all of these things are part and parcel of the same thing: a controlling nature. The source of this, more often than not, seems to be that the dominant feels guilty or conflicted about his desire to dominate and so sets arbitrary rules or limits on his ability to do so: THIS behavior or type of thinking is OK, but THAT one is not. I think such incomplete dominants would be hard for me to personally submit to, not because of their symptoms (it's a dominant's right to like what he likes and dislike what he dislikes, and my duty to adapt to that), but because of what these arbitrary dislikes represent: an inner insecurity about the "rightness" of what they are doing. I'm not talking about their disliking some minor or possibly fetishistic act, like giving a submissive a swirly: those things are clearly a matter of taste. I'm talking about big chunks of what it means to be dominant that they have been unable, as of yet, to digest. Sometimes a half-baked dominant, when he gets involved with an unconflicted submissive person, attacks and chastises them constantly because the latter's complete acceptance of anything he wants or does threatens him, makes him feel evil. He expects and wants the submissive person to be his moral gatekeeper.

Partial dominants are, luckily, easy to spot and avoid. They cannot help but discuss, quite passionately, these problem areas of dominance that still disturb them. They make the submissive they are talking to feel bad or guilty for wanting a thing that is so clearly and terribly "wrong." I see them often when I type in a search keyword for a dominant attitude or emotion that I particularly like and then come across numerous profiles that emphatically state "I am NOT (thing that I like). It's not the thing itself that gives them away, it's more the way they so very emphatically disassociate themselves from it that is the clue. If not in the profile, then a couple of email exchanges brings this out of them, especially if your profile contains one of their pet bugaboos or if you range your conversation with them all over the board, to see if they flip when you use one of the standard "excitatory key words."

2. They are drawn to false coin. There are plenty of people out there who are very obviously not submissive (or not very submissive) but put on a good show of being such. Another way of putting it: their reality is not consistent with their words. But the show is so superficial (comprised only of words not actions or strong attitudes underlying the words) that anybody who knows how submissives who really have or feel these qualities generally behave will know they are not in the presence of such a submissive. When I see a dominant man drawn to such a type, my respect for him plummets because I lose faith in his judgement, in his ability see reality clearly, and, to a certain degree, in his intelligence. Something in his personality draws him to the false, the showy, the fake coin rather than the real. That suggests not only that he's been duped because he is unfamiliar with real currency but also that something inside him still loves glamorous deception and its impressive appearance over the quieter and far less flashy reality. (The converse is also true, of course: when I see a dominant drawn to a submissive who I can see is sincerely and honestly real and that reality is pure and beautiful, I admire his good taste and perceptive abilities.)

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/1/2011 10:26:57 AM   
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Larry Tate was on "Bewitched"

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/21/2011 8:40:33 PM   
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but because of what these arbitrary dislikes represent: an inner insecurity about the "rightness" of what they are doing.



THIS, I have something to add to-

Arbitrary.... and 'inner insecurity about the "rightness" of what they are doing.

So, I agree- it's the Dom's right, perhaps requirement, that he owns what he believes, and does not deny himself anything that he is capable of getting.  But I guess my 'frame' is different.  There are consequences to actions....if a Dom understands that some of his desires are 'extreme' relative to the person they're playing with, and say talking about general topics- 'torture', 'violence', etc. etc.... then I think he can be forgiven for thinking that with the wrong person, or at the wrong time, or for a variety of reasons, could end up in serious trouble.  So that, regardless of what a sub or partner has said previously about their experience or what they want, the reality may end up being much different.  And judges, mafia cousins, MMA older brothers, might not be as understanding that the sub presented themselves as a 'true slave'.  Everyone, to a degree, is taking some risks by letting they're 'freak flag' fly.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/21/2011 11:54:25 PM   
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I don't deal with a lot of Doms/Dommes, so I don't really know. So I'll tell you what I think my flaws are....sit down and get a cup of your favourite hot brown drink...this may take a while.....

#1 I am silly. I will make fun of everybody we know, I will make fun of you, and even more than any of that, I will make fun of me. if you require your Dom to be full of gravitas and dignity...well just keep on looking, because I'm not even vaguely him.

#2 I am lazy (strikes OwnedFemaleFlesh off the list of potentials). Sorry, I just always have been, always will be. While it won't be anywhere near your primary purpose, you WILL be expected to do the housework. Part of slavery is service, after all and you're supposed to make my life easier.

#3 I'm somewhat inconsistent. I change my mind a lot, don't get me wrong..I'll tell you when a rule changes, but if you want the rules to be immutable, well once again, I ain't the Dom for you.

#4 I have zero fashion sense or interest in developing one. I don't care who the Dom is, if you want me dressed snappy like Parappa, then you do the clothes shopping and decide what I should wear when we are doing anything fancy.

#5 I'm cheap. Not frugal...I'm a cheap ass motherfucker who hates spending money when its not required. I buy whatever's cheapest, whether we're talking beer, clothes, cat food or toilet paper.

#6 I like to be left alone a lot. It's not like I'll ignore you for days on end, but there will be times when I just want you to fuck off and leave me alone.

#7 I'm am insomniac..I keep really fucking odd hours. You may be woken up in the middle of the night to talk.

#8 Well, that's enough masturbatory character assassination for one night,..on the plus side, I have a cute ass for a guy my age, I've been told I have very pretty eyes, I have a pretty evil imagination, I'm a really good listener, I cook a mean roast lamb, and I run a pretty decent AD&D game when I've a mind to.





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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/22/2011 12:05:30 AM   
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Carol was pretty focused on "co-dependence" when we first met. I'm not sure why, but that was a big issue for her. I think she was certain that all men or all relationships must, in some way, be co-dependent.

Conveniently, while I have an entire laundry list of flaws, that's not among them. Among them (~grins at OFF~) is a failure to do as much around the house as I ought to.

For me, the number one flaw I look for is a het woman who hates or has contempt for men. I'd call that roughly 80% of them.

Thank goodness I'm in that other 20%, huh, Jeff?

If you don't mind Me asking, what are you basing your percentages on?  The reason that I ask is because you often state that you don't often mix with lifestyle folks and the question was asked in particular of Doms and Dommes.  I'm curious to know where you're getting your data.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/22/2011 12:26:19 AM   
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I don't allow myself to have an ego,for I am a bastard enough without one..We humans are a fragile species..Grown men cry while little bitty subs are tuff as nails..But to generalize would be painting a broad specturm...Bounty

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/22/2011 12:50:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ParappaTheDapper


quote:

ORIGINAL: WillowBayU

It seems like a lot of dominant males - but not all, of course - seem to have fragile egos that are very easily bruised.  


Is ego a deal breaker for you? This is the kind of thing that I find fascinating because there are some traits (slovenliness, for example) that pretty much everyone agrees are serious problems in partners but then there are some qualities, like bigass radioactive egos, that are problems for some people but that other people seek out. I find an ego in a dominant woman to be ravishingly sexy!



I find this interesting, too, because I find I'm very tolerant of egos when a person can back them up. One can have a big ego without necessarily being abusive. If they're very intelligent and have accomplished notable things, I often find it charming. But it has to be backed up with substance. Arrogance and ignorance together aren't attractive at all.

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/22/2011 1:23:10 AM   
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I would like this to be a safe haven in which to discuss flaws you have run across in multiple Doms and/or Dommes throughout your life.
That's a really nice idea, but since I've only had one, I'll have to circumspect.

Well let me just say that in my experience 100% of Dominant women are just perfect!!!

And they'd be even more perfect if they'd learn what a laundry hamper is for.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/22/2011 2:11:25 PM   
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The Ones who see a UM's as competition for resources or attention or something i dunno, um's leave later on anyway mutters and mumbles....Ahh yes umm The issue of first and second place come out backwards to instinct. anyone know how to train out an instinct? LOL

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/23/2011 7:29:36 AM   
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I apologize for getting involved in a thread that is supposed to be from subs/slaves but I felt compelled to chime in ... all good comments by the way, wanted to see if I matched some of these items, and, of course, I do.

I would have to agree with the fragile ego thing ... I am a Dom with a somewhat fragile ego, feeling that if I am not the primary focus of my sub's world then something is wrong with life in general, this is a major fault of mine and something I am working on correcting. I also wish to respond to the housework comment ... I do my share of work around the house, but I find that when I do even the most insignificant amount of work during an extremely taxing day for my sub, then she falls all over herself thanking me for the help, which works well for me when i am looking for attention. I am more apt to do more work when I receive extra special treatment for doing so, which doess fall back onto my ego thing I suppose. And yes, I must confess that I am lazy but realize that sometimes it is both in my best interest to help, and is also the "humane" thing to do. If all I wanted out of a sub/slave was housekeeping, I would have hired Molly Maid ... right?

Thanks for the open convo ... it is a benefit to both Doms and subs.

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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/23/2011 2:47:32 PM   
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The Ones who see a UM's as competition for resources or attention


Wow, that's an ugly trait for a D-type to have! (To me, anyway).
i think i might have to extend that to pretty much anything i count as a major priority in my life, if they find something like that competition rather than a source of pride in their s-type, their appeal as people i want to include in my life drops really low.


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RE: This is a safe space in which to discuss flaws in D... - 5/23/2011 3:00:43 PM   
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