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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 7:47:28 AM   
meatcleaver


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


What are you, some sort of Hobbesian anarchist, or did you just finish reading Freud's Civilization and its Discontent?


I do my best cloudboy, I do my best.

My wife used to say if I was in a room full of anarchists I would be have to be a conservative just for the sake of creating discontent.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 8:02:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
I have difficulty believing there is a woman out there that is ready to serve a man down on his luck unless she descended with him.


Sure, she would descend with him.
If she was to accept TPE and he would not improve his prospects by seeking better employment, education, career change, etc. (apologies: an exception - to anyone in difficulty limited by disability, I do believe a good woman would stand by him)
- she would be pulled down to the gutter with him.

Financially may be the least of it. A dominant male may indeed feel or be perceived as inadequate and become angry, resentful, because money is power (sad fact, planet earth) and the submissive had the income, prestige = power - I do suppose many a relationship would suffer.

Peace

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 8:15:25 AM   
Amaros


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Status: offline 		W/regard to the whole motivation question, true, women tend to seek security - what is servitude if not security? And their deeper needs will tend to revolve around that. This is no less true for men, generally, although the reasons may differ to some extent.

Love is the oil that reduces chafing - hands down, the best definition of love I've ever found is on this site:

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......i never again want to look over at my man and feel sad ... knowing we will eventually come to face the fact that no matter how we feel about each other we are not satifying our true desires

    LOVE..my friends is just
           NOT ENOUGH..

  ..... Love is something we say we feel for the other person... but its generaly about how we feel about ourselves while we have that persons 
                                                   Attention 
                                                    
The truth would be said more like this - i am in love with my self, with you.
This confusion only leads to resentment, over- insecurity, eventual bringing(holding) down of the other persons life.as they try to run to save it..

        ..why breath!  lol!



Beauty.



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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 8:38:50 AM   
meatcleaver


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Status: offline 		That's romance. True love (and I question whether there is such a thing) is when you are down and utterly pissed off, the world feels against you and you still make hard scarifices with no reward but the satisfaction it is for the person love.

Romantic love is as easy as falling of a bike.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 9:05:09 AM   
becca333


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

That's romance. True love (and I question whether there is such a thing) is when you are down and utterly pissed off, the world feels against you and you still make hard scarifices with no reward but the satisfaction it is for the person love.

Romantic love is as easy as falling of a bike.


Whoever she was, she really did a number on you, didn't she.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 9:10:04 AM   
meatcleaver


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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 9:54:12 AM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		WOW   Quite a thread!  I appreciate what allspicey was trying to do and have read with interest most of the replies generated here.    I'll add my two cents cuz it's maybe a slightly different angle.

I have a feeling some men come to this site (and sites like it) thinking they’re just another ‘sex’ site.  After all, they seem to be promoted as such…in spite of what ‘WE’ think!  LOL   I think that’s the reason some men include pics of their genitals; they want women to respond in kind!   Some ARE looking to get off, they WANT to collect such pictures and they LIKE sexy stories (unaware so many are actually coming from other men!  LMAO)  So what if it’s not what I’m into?  I think it’s ludicrous to get upset at such mail (though I do sometimes…my bad); same with rude mail, this is the internet where anything and everything can happen because of the anonymity.  When a man (or a woman, for that matter) sends me overtly sexual messages, I, too, need to remember to just calmly hit ‘delete’ and move on.

The deal is (IMHO), like everything in life, people do things for LOTS of different reasons.  Why I come here is slightly different from why you come here…even if we’re both single, submissive females over 50 who are very sexual beings but enjoy intellectual discourse as well…and hope to find and build a relationship with a Dominant man; we’re still likely to have different interests, beliefs, values.

We all keep touting that this lifestyle is built on being all-inclusive.  Hopefully we can BE that…

Celebrate our differences!

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 10:44:58 AM   
Padriag


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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
Do you see all those little "smilies" that I/we were using?

In fact, no... I don't.  Probably because the only "smiley" in the post to which I replied was an ambiguous one with its nose in a book.  There was nothing else in your post to indicate you were joking.  And as Raven said... don't quite your day job, you make a lousy comedian.  So here's a clue, your "humor", wasn't coming across as humor.  But then I suppose if I came in here bashing women and talking about how they all were really slaves to men... you'd probably not find that too humorous either.  In short, your "female supremacy" isn't selling today anymore than I care for Meatcleaver's misogynistic remarks.  Nobody is automatically in charge, it is earned, always.  Doesn't matter what your gender happens to be.

As for being hard assed, you haven't seen me be hard assed.  And frankly, if you think it was done to impress you, you've an overrated opinion of yourself.  To be blunt my dear, I just don't give a damn what you think.  Particularly in light of the "Boone / Manson" remark, cheap insults are not only the sign of a weak debate, but a weak mind.  If that's the best retort you can come up with then I can assure you the only person you're going to impress is your mirror.  I didn't attack you personally, I disagreed with your opinion / joke / whatever you want to call it.  If you can't handle a disagreement without resorting to such low brow remarks, maybe you should consider just leaving the forums.  And do keep in mind that personal attacks in the forums are violation of the TOS.  Just fair warning.


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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 10:56:57 AM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		I think you're being much too generous Beerlee, its a lot more than some.  I would go as far as to say the majority if not most who come here are just looking for kinky sex.  And its also not just the men, I've gotten enough emails from women looking for that to know that there are plenty of women who come here for exactly the same reason.  But that's just the nature of the beast (internet sites).

However, here in the forums I think its just about the opposite.  I think most who come here and actively participate in the discussions are not looking for kinky sex, but rather discussions and a place to exhange ideas about this style of life. 

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 11:03:12 AM   
meatcleaver


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Status: offline 		I don't come to my computer for kinky sex or otherwise, I don't find my computer attractive at all, it's rather angular. I really need to get a contemporary model with curves.

Just because people aren't fooled by romantic nonsense and woolly thinking, doesn't mean they are here for sex. In fact I would say the opposite because people who say it as it is, won't attract anyone because people who really just want sex like to fool themselves into thinking sex is just icing on the cake.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 12:15:56 PM   
MsMacComb


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ORIGINAL: Padriag

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
Do you see all those little "smilies" that I/we were using?

In fact, no... I don't.  Probably because the only "smiley" in the post to which I replied was an ambiguous one with its nose in a book.  There was nothing else in your post to indicate you were joking.  And as Raven said... don't quite your day job, you make a lousy comedian.  So here's a clue, your "humor", wasn't coming across as humor.  But then I suppose if I came in here bashing women and talking about how they all were really slaves to men... you'd probably not find that too humorous either.  In short, your "female supremacy" isn't selling today anymore than I care for Meatcleaver's misogynistic remarks.  Nobody is automatically in charge, it is earned, always.  Doesn't matter what your gender happens to be.

As for being hard assed, you haven't seen me be hard assed.  And frankly, if you think it was done to impress you, you've an overrated opinion of yourself.  To be blunt my dear, I just don't give a damn what you think.  Particularly in light of the "Boone / Manson" remark, cheap insults are not only the sign of a weak debate, but a weak mind.  If that's the best retort you can come up with then I can assure you the only person you're going to impress is your mirror.  I didn't attack you personally, I disagreed with your opinion / joke / whatever you want to call it.  If you can't handle a disagreement without resorting to such low brow remarks, maybe you should consider just leaving the forums.  And do keep in mind that personal attacks in the forums are violation of the TOS.  Just fair warning.

 

Oh good God. I've been warned again. Did I make another boy cry, lol?  Whatever right? You have your opinion, I have mine. I think I'm right and I don't play by "your rules" on anything. Have a nice day.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 12:35:57 PM   
Chaingang


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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
You have your opinion, I have mine. I think I'm right and I don't play by "your rules" on anything.


What is it about dommes that they think this attitude is in any way unique to them? I've seen it come up from time to time and it always strikes me as a generalized sense of insecurity in one's identity as domme. When it comes to "Me, Myself, and I" I couldn't care less what you think, MsMacComb. I doubt I am alone in this regard. Oh, you feel the same way? Cool - just stay out of my way and I'll stay out of yours then.

There's nothing funnier to me than a woman trying to act like she's got a pair of what nature never gave her. But hey, more power to you, MsMacComb. Some of us will simply take this as the text equivalent of a gag reel for your "unique" philosophy.



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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 12:53:40 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick
When it comes to sex or dating, women make all the rules. A mans needs is not accepted but a male should worship a womans needs. It is not only BDSM but dating in general.
I'm absolutely not agreeing with you because that has not been my experience in at least 60% of my dating/married life, but if that is what you believe, than why not start behaving more like you love women and worship the ground they walk on, and if you impress the right one, she may even love/accept you and be as wildly kinky as you need her to be.  

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Meatcleaver
Well I'd rather be a eunuch than let a woman manipulate me again. Now I get up earlier in the morning and drink more coffee.
For an older intellectual man, you sure sound like a whiny baby when it comes to the once bitten, twice shy thing.   Most of us lucky ones have felt the all consuming love you've felt, and have landed on our arses as a result.  Take some of that knowledge and use to it to grow up and realize that you didn't die as a result, and your heart/soul shouldn't die either just because you got hurt once.  
I mean you keep defending your playah position and how much bullshit romance is, while at the same time sounding utterly miserable to me, but it could just be my impression.  M

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 12:56:31 PM   
Padriag


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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

Did I make another boy cry, lol?

No, but I did get a bit of a chuckle out of your hissy fit.

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You have your opinion, I have mine.

That much I agree with, and that's fine.  The problem is you aren't willing to respect that fact and felt the need to repeatedly stoop to cheap shots and tantrums as a result.

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I think I'm right and I don't play by "your rules" on anything.

Given that you don't live in my house, don't seek my collar, and aren't submissive... I wouldn't expect you to.  As I said, my house, my rules... that only applies to those who live in my house or seek to... the rest of you can do as you bloody well please for all I care.  What you do in your house is your problem.  If in your house you make all the rules (and being a female dominant with male slaves I should hope that was in fact the case), that's fine, but its not because your a woman, its because you're dominant.   And I sincerely hope your authority as a dominant isn't based solely on sex (which is precisely what you implied as being the source of this authority women supposedly have over all men).  Whatever the case that is only true for your house.  What I most disagreed with about your opinion is that you tried to apply it to everyone... and that is rarely ever true of anything.  What is true is exactly what I stated, who has the most power generally goes to who has the most to offer.  In other words, a submissive submits to a dominant because that dominant has something to offer the submissive very much wants.  Gender has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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Have a nice day.

Thank you, actually, I'm have a wonderful day.  And regardless, I hope yours is nice too.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 1:01:43 PM   
OnyxGoddess


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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
You have your opinion, I have mine. I think I'm right and I don't play by "your rules" on anything.


What is it about dommes that they think this attitude is in any way unique to them? I've seen it come up from time to time and it always strikes me as a generalized sense of insecurity in one's identity as domme.



Well, technically we do have balls...they are just called ovaries (LOL)  I don't always think I'm right.  In fact , I welcome ANYONE to show me when I'm wrong. I have no problem admitting when i'm in error. If you present something that doesn't mesh with someone else's perceptions or beliefs then they will reject it.  I think that is just most people. 
 
I agree with meatcleaver...there is nothing sexy about my dell.  It's a square flat box with no sexy features whatsoever.  Maybe I need to upgrade it for another model...LOL.  And like Padriag I'm really just looking for people in the lifestyle to exchange ideas, learn and network.  But again...i could just be an oddball and that's all good with me.
 
 
*make love not war*

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 1:18:04 PM   
plantlady64


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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

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So umm, lets be blunt. One way or another, call it kink, S/M/ B/D whatever, the bottom line is guys want pussy. Women own that aforementioned pussy and guys have to do what we want in order to get it. Could be domme or sub, but she still has what you want and you have to conform to her standards or you dont get any. So, whats complicated about that power hierarchy?

Hello There,
Actually I disagree with your statement. I've been into BDSM a little over a year. I thought this new side of me had opened the door for way hot kinky sex. Most of the Dom men I have met or play with usually do not want to have full sexual contact. This totally confused me as I too thought most men wanted to get laid. I've found BDSM is separate from sex in many Master's minds and intercourse is not even on their list of things to do to a willing sub. Maybe some physically can't do the deed, but more than not they are sexually monogamous with their primary partner, but scene with others for various reasons.
I think lumping all of a group in one lump is not always the right thing to do.
Suzanne

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 2:04:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse
Don't give up the day job, you make a lousy comedian
 

So umm, lets be blunt. One way or another, call it kink, S/M/ B/D whatever, the bottom line is guys want pussy. Women own that aforementioned pussy and guys have to do what we want in order to get it. Could be domme or sub, but she still has what you want and you have to conform to her standards or you dont get any. So, whats complicated about that power hierarchy?



A woman actually speaks the truth about her gender. I wish I could reward you.

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 2:42:33 PM   
Chaingang


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ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess
I don't always think I'm right.


Aren't there things that you think are right for you, even if for no one else? I think that's the kind of thing that is at issue here; and I really don't have a problem with what people choose as correct for themselves.

Anyway, this thread is fantastically over-broad in its scope, and while some bits have been interesting I can't see the point of having some kind of absurd cock versus pussy thing going on here. We are probably each of us a kind of attractor for the kinds of situations that suit us and that reinforce our particular views on things.

To the dommes that think they have to explain universal truths to the rest of us about their pussies, please just save it. In return I will save you all that stuff that wouldn't impress you either as regards cock worship.


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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 2:58:08 PM   
MrSirDiscreteOne


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Status: offline 		I agree this is very well written, I guess I want to jump on the review my profile bandwagon. I am curious as to what is is that tends to scare'em away...LOL

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RE: Why Male Profiles Fail to Achieve Results - 5/12/2006 3:40:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

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ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess
I don't always think I'm right.


Aren't there things that you think are right for you, even if for no one else? I think that's the kind of thing that is at issue here; and I really don't have a problem with what people choose as correct for themselves.

Anyway, this thread is fantastically over-broad in its scope, and while some bits have been interesting I can't see the point of having some kind of absurd cock versus pussy thing going on here. We are probably each of us a kind of attractor for the kinds of situations that suit us and that reinforce our particular views on things.

To the dommes that think they have to explain universal truths to the rest of us about their pussies, please just save it. In return I will save you all that stuff that wouldn't impress you either as regards cock worship.



Indeed you are right there.  I don't run around proclaiming it's my pussy hear me roar.  LOL .But there are things that are right FOR me.  When other's ideas don't mesh...well I just kick on.  What else can you do?
 
I don't like a cock versus pussy war.  Unless we're homosexual we each want what the other has-to some degree. 
 
 

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