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Mezrem -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 11:46:53 AM)
On the speciifc point of the Birthers.. yep they get a firm sit down and shut up from me... and they have for a long time now. It's a none issue and has been. That said I'm sure not all the people beating that drum still are racist. Maybe they were dropped on the head as a kid? Maybe they had a few too many paint chips as a child? Too jump up and label it all as racism makes the word more cheap and lacking in power when it is used correctly. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: There is a steady stream of it that flows from more than one source on the left. Well, very few on the left are still beating the "Teabagger/911Truther/Birther/Deader" horse, so criticism of those who are either too dumb, crazy and/or racist to STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE, you would expect to see that bias.

Mezrem -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 11:51:47 AM)
Me, I call it stupid to bring it up. his educational achievements are impressive. In the cases I disagree with him have nothing to do with his grades or the other stupid shit being thrown against the wall in an effort to stop him. This is my point though. Because I mention what I did another person attempting to claim I am deaf. Believe what you like Rule nothing I say will change your mind. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Those deaf ears seem to be on people like you. What exactly would you call it when we have posters on here claiming that Obama's academic achievements were only accomplished because of affirmative action programs?

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 12:00:44 PM)
quote: You responded to a post of mine made directly at Firm but failed to do enough research to verify that there were in fact no hearings. This gave cover to Firm to avoid dealing with being caught making stuff up again. Dear sweet jesus! Are you still whining about this???? I answered a freakin question. Now I have to wait until I am asked the question directly???? Dont think so bubba.. not gonna happen. You asked for a date.. I supplied one.... Stop whining.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 12:02:50 PM)
I would say the birthers are not so much racist as crashingly ignorant.

Moonhead -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 12:08:00 PM)
To be fair, a lot of racists are racist because they're crashingly ignorant.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 12:14:53 PM)
True. The 2 commonly occur together but it is not a necessity.

Moonhead -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 12:21:58 PM)
Fair enough.

DomKen -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 4:28:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You responded to a post of mine made directly at Firm but failed to do enough research to verify that there were in fact no hearings. This gave cover to Firm to avoid dealing with being caught making stuff up again. Dear sweet jesus! Are you still whining about this???? I answered a freakin question. Now I have to wait until I am asked the question directly???? Dont think so bubba.. not gonna happen. You asked for a date.. I supplied one.... Stop whining. No, you did not answer the question since there was no hearings. How fucking hard is that to understand?

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/9/2011 5:10:28 PM)
How fucking hard is it for you to understand it was brought up in a hearing??? A hearing is a fact finding mission. Is it your supposition that the members of the Committee who held that meeting didnt look into the facts? Then we can turn our attention to a Senate Resolution intended to clarify and recognize that Senator McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 while his father was serving in the United States Navy should not disqualify him constitutionally from running for President. I have said publicly that I believe no change in law is needed. In response to my question, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff, a former Federal judge, agreed with me that the circumstances of Senator McCain's birth should not disqualify him from being considered a "natural born Citizen" under the Constitution. He agreed with me that anyone born to American citizens is a "natural born Citizen" and satisfies the purposes of Article II of the Constitution. Former Solicitor General Theodore Olson and Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe analyzed the issue and came to the same conclusion based on the Framers' intent, the purpose of the provision and historical precedent. When we reach the measure, I will make their letter and analysis part of our record. We should pass this bipartisan resolution to put to rest speculation that Senator McCain is not eligible to run for President because of the circumstances of his birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone and that somehow those circumstances adversely affected his citizenship status. This bipartisan measure derives from Senator McCaskill's efforts. She introduced the resolution, which Senator Coburn and I have cosponsored, as have both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton, and Senator Webb. http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3297&wit_id=2629 Note the web site wording... hearing... testimony. Speaks for itself. Seems according to the link questions were asked and answered in an attempt to find out legal information on the issue of McCain's eligibility to run for President. Now, time for you to build that bridge.

DomKen -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 5:15:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl How fucking hard is it for you to understand it was brought up in a hearing??? Not hard at all since it is irrelevant to the point I made. I even said it happened in the very first post on this subject. However there were never hearings on the matter which is what Firm claimed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 5:33:03 PM)
Ken, what is a hearing? A meeting to discover facts, yes?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:08:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife What exactly would you call it when we have posters on here claiming that Obama's academic achievements were only accomplished because of affirmative action programs? Readers of the NYT? Delicate Obama Path on Class and Race Preferences By RACHEL L. SWARNS Published: August 3, 2008 In 1990, as his fellow students rallied to protest the dearth of black professors at Harvard Law School, Barack Obama wrote a vigorous defense of affirmative action. The campus was in an uproar over questions of race, and Mr. Obama, then the first black president of The Harvard Law Review, decided to take a stand. Mr. Obama said he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career, and he praised the intellectual heft and wide-ranging views of his diverse staff. “The success of the program speaks for itself,” he said of the law review’s affirmative action policy in a letter published in the school’s student newspaper. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:13:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ken, what is a hearing? A meeting to discover facts, yes? Tazzy, Life is a lot easier and more rational when you don't read his ... "stuff" ... or engage in his bullshit games. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:18:07 PM)
quote: What exactly would you call it when we have posters on here claiming that Obama's academic achievements were only accomplished because of affirmative action programs? Mr. Obama said he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career, and he praised the intellectual heft and wide-ranging views of his diverse staff. “The success of the program speaks for itself,” he said of the law review’s affirmative action policy in a letter published in the school’s student newspaper. I have benefited from affirmative action. That does not mean I didn't have to prove myself.

TreasureKY -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:18:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You responded to a post of mine made directly at Firm but failed to do enough research to verify that there were in fact no hearings. This gave cover to Firm to avoid dealing with being caught making stuff up again. Dear sweet jesus! Are you still whining about this???? I answered a freakin question. Now I have to wait until I am asked the question directly???? Dont think so bubba.. not gonna happen. You asked for a date.. I supplied one.... Stop whining. I'm reminded of a dog with a bone. [;)] Ken wants to pick nits. I think it gives him something to do and makes him feel important.

farglebargle -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:19:56 PM)
I think the confusion here is that some people are trying to take Obama's benefiting from a program designed to provide him with a benefit, and using that to suggest that the ONLY reason he was successful was due to that benefit. They had a spot for him and underwrote a student loan. Big fucking deal. And it was in the 70's. Without it a lot of people with real talent wouldn't have been able to be as successful as they are.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 8:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: What exactly would you call it when we have posters on here claiming that Obama's academic achievements were only accomplished because of affirmative action programs? Mr. Obama said he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career, and he praised the intellectual heft and wide-ranging views of his diverse staff. “The success of the program speaks for itself,” he said of the law review’s affirmative action policy in a letter published in the school’s student newspaper. I have benefited from affirmative action. That does not mean I didn't have to prove myself. It says what it says. People will spin it how they will. Unless he clarifies specifically and exactly the meaning, your guess is as good as the next guys. Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/10/2011 10:23:20 PM)
I find it hard to believe Obama got that spot on the Harvard Review simply because he was black. The first black member of the Review was Charles Hamilton Houston, LL.B. cum laude 1922, S.J.D. 1923, who served on Volume 35. The second black member was William Henry Hastie LL.B. cum laude 1930, a member of the Board of Volume 43, who later became Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Other black members of the Board have included William T. Coleman, Jr., J.D. magna cum laude 1943 ('46), later Secretary of Transportation, and current Harvard Law School Professors Christopher F. Edley, Jr. (Volume 90) and David B. Wilkins (Volume 93). As the Review enters its second century, it has just elected its first minority President, Raj Marphatia of Volume 101. http://www.harvardlawreview.org/hlr_497.php Written 1987 Considering the Review had its first female President in 1976 I would hardly call Obama's place as only a result of affirmative action

FirmhandKY -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/11/2011 6:07:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it hard to believe Obama got that spot on the Harvard Review simply because he was black. The first black member of the Review was Charles Hamilton Houston, LL.B. cum laude 1922, S.J.D. 1923, who served on Volume 35. The second black member was William Henry Hastie LL.B. cum laude 1930, a member of the Board of Volume 43, who later became Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Other black members of the Board have included William T. Coleman, Jr., J.D. magna cum laude 1943 ('46), later Secretary of Transportation, and current Harvard Law School Professors Christopher F. Edley, Jr. (Volume 90) and David B. Wilkins (Volume 93). As the Review enters its second century, it has just elected its first minority President, Raj Marphatia of Volume 101. http://www.harvardlawreview.org/hlr_497.php Written 1987 Considering the Review had its first female President in 1976 I would hardly call Obama's place as only a result of affirmative action Couple of points: 1. ... to believe ... 2. "academic career" isn't necessarily his "place of the Harvard Review". Again, what he apparently said was: he had “undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action” in his own academic career In this case you are choosing to interpret that to mean simply and only his spot on the Harvard Review, which is not the totality of his "academic career". As I have said, his quote is his quote, and can be interpreted in several different ways. Where we stand depends on where we sit. (or vice versa). Firm

tazzygirl -> RE: Colin Powell: Obama blew away the birthers (5/11/2011 8:40:54 AM)
Having sat in the non-white, non-male, non-rich section, I have a pretty good clue what he meant.

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