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explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/9/2011 6:27:27 PM

mech1nomics

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for those that participate in race play ...why do you participate in it and how were you first attracted to it

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 4:47:10 AM

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This is beginning to seem like trolling. If you have an interest in this and are concerned about it or confused by it, you need to give your personal angle first. Otherwise you won't get any answers.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 7:16:41 AM

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No.

Try reading this: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3666802/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#3667343

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 8:01:47 AM

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Having seen a few threads started by the OP, I think the topics are interesting ones for discussion rather than trolling. Granted, I think the activities and situations aren't very common, but I think they raise interesting questions. I doubt the OP participates in them, but so what? Do you have to participate in an activity to ask questions about it?

As for race play, I don't participate in it and I don't know of anyone who does (unless having a specific racial preference counts). So I really can't contribute.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 8:05:50 AM

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I'm just not into the OP getting and not giving. Not my kind of thing - I'm not real or true that way.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 8:25:46 AM

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Thank you @sunshinemiss. I'm sure the first responder with all that "trolling" nonsense is one of those seasoned kinksters who is so high and mighty that they can't take time to explain something to a newbie. What's really wrong about that is that I'm sure at some point in the last couple 100 of years there have been countless newbies (including high and mighty poster #1) who have just been lost and asked guideance from someone. When I wanted to learn basic shibari techniques I asked, when I wanted to learn how to use violet rods I asked, so in the realm of another part of my kinky adventures reuires knowledge again I ask. Thanks for wasting space mentally invetsigating the spirit of my post rather than being a delight and answering that question. I can't really be upset as jerks are everywhere but don't jack off my lrarning experience vecause you think everyone is trolling.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 8:49:24 AM

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I don't believe I ever mentioned trolling, mech. What I mentioned was reciprocity. I am delighted to help folks out and to assist folks in learning new things. I'm a teacher for goodness sakes, it's what I DO!

However, when you come in with a bunch of questions which you've been shown can be answered via the search button, you sound like you expect us to spoon feed your lack of knowledge. You are asking us to give and give with nothing in return from you.

You are a stranger to me. I owe you nothing. I don't owe you an answer to your question, I don't owe you my time and energy. None of us does. I may choose to share that with you, but it isn't a given.

Frankly, asking how to do something (like shibari) is a very different kettle of fish than asking us to reveal our own personal philosophies, our points of view. You are asking us to reveal something private to you rather than just give you factual information. The difference is between asking us about our personal lives versus gathering facts. I'm happy to give you facts, but when you ask for information about ME, I'm going to be wary. If my choice to be private in that way is bothersome to you, that's too bad. I'm not under any obligation to tell you personal information about me and my life no matter how many ways you ask.

Now that you are telling us about you, we can interact. So......with that in mind. Why do you participate in race play and how were you first attracted to it?

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*edited to soften things since I've recently been coming across harsher than I intend.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 9:31:32 AM

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Well, I for one don't find anything unusual or hard to understand about a black guy asking about race play. Sadly, I'm kind of color blind when it comes to skin so race play just isn't something that would occur to me.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 11:14:18 AM

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SunShineMiss My response to you stopped after "thank you sunshinemiss" I should do a better job of making that point known. My response in the most part was for the gentleman who posted after you.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 12:03:31 PM

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I said my piece on race play the other week: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3652813/mpage_1/tm.htm

I like the forums because of the give and take. You're being perceived as being all take. So share a little, and we'll find something else to criticize :)

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 12:10:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mech1nomics

for those that participate in race play ...why do you participate in it and how were you first attracted to it

I'm going to answer this, even though my first comment is probably going to show that I shouldn't be answering it.

I don't participate in race play. And you asked the question of those who DO participate in race play. But my perspective may be helpful nonetheless.

Like you, I'm black. The reason I don't do race play is that I find it too often becomes racist, insulting, and just plain stupid.

Don't get me wrong. I understand the taboos of dating outside of one's race or sex with someone of a different color. I understand the curiosity factor. Personally, I've served more white Dommes than black Dommes. Moreover, I've had 3 Asian vanilla girlfriends. So I get it. There's something visually appealing about seeing the contrasting colors when we make love (at least to me).

The part I don't like is what I see most frequently. I hate it when people stop seeing me as a person, and start seeing me as a stereotype. That's what happens far too often.

I get messages all the time from white Dommes who want to dominate my BBC. They seldom mention me as a person. Nope, all they see is a BBC. That's insulting to me. Moreover, who says that my cock is big? They just assume based on a racist stereotype.

Yesterday, a white submissive contacted me on FetLife. I'm a sub, and she's a sub, so I wasn't sure why she was contacting me. I don't switch, and the word "sub" in my name probably let's people know that I'm not a Dom. So I was baffled about why a sub was asking me about potentially getting together. Then I looked at her profile, and I noticed that all of her pictures were of her sucking black cocks. So once again, I was reduced to just being a black cock.

I've had a white Domme ask me to "talk ghetto", and "act like a gangsta". I have a masters degree. I'm not a gangster.

I once had a white Domme tell me during our very first meeting that she couldn't wait for her "ex" to see her with me. She said that he would be so mad, but that if he said anything to her, she'd just have her new black sub kick his ass. So once again, I was reduced to a gangster.

But don't get me wrong. I'm not overly sensitive or politically correct. There have been times when I have participated in race play. For example, I served a white Domme who was fond of saying "take off your clothes and bring that beautiful black cock over here". And I happily complied with her requests. The difference was that she got to know me as a person first. We bonded as human beings. Then, once we realized that we liked one another as people, then it was okay for her to introduce race play.

The bottom line for me is that I am open to relationships with all races. And race play can be a part of those relationships. The only requirement that I have is that they get to know me as a person first, and as black second. When my race comes before my character, personality, and interests, then I find it offensive. I guess it's no different than how women who have large breasts must feel when men stare at their breasts rather than look them in the face. They want him to focus on the person, but he's too busy focusing on the breasts.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 12:10:55 PM

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If you think "Race Play" is getting a blow job while you watch NASCAR...... Youuuu might be a rednbeck.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 1:12:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mech1nomics
My response in the most part was for the gentleman who posted after you.

Would that be me? I hope not, because I was supporting your thread topics.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/10/2011 3:29:33 PM

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Rochsub:

I really enjoyed your reply! I agree- whether race play is introduced or not; people should get to KNOW a person first, and not make assumptions based on stereo types. Thank you for bringing that to mind!

In many respects- i am judged by stereo types because of my size. People ASSUME because i am a BBW, that i am a lazy marshmellow. When they take time to actually know me, they find out i work harder than most folks and that i am as strong as an ox. So based on that- i try to NOT judge or buy into stereo types.

Again- thank you for your well thought out post.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/11/2011 3:20:59 PM

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Rochsub -- so very well said; i can't really add to that.

i don't like raceplay. i'm all for people finding those who they can associate with it and have fun, but just leave me out of it. to me, it's just a way to make being a racist piece of shit a-okay -- explain it away as a fetish that you "just can't help," and no one can say you're a bad person. =p
i'm so tired of messages in my inbox about this kind of thing -- like Rochsub said, you stop being a person and become a stereotype. they're applying their fetish to you before even knowing who you are. you're just a black chick they want to demean, call names, and treat badly, but hey, they really actually LOVE black people; isn't this all supposed to be about taboos?

uh. no.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/11/2011 3:26:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
The part I don't like is what I see most frequently. I hate it when people stop seeing me as a person, and start seeing me as a stereotype. That's what happens far too often.

Roch, see here old bean, I don't want to stereotype you, but you got some blue shit hangin off your face, and you need that looked at, bruddah!!!!

Jus' sayin'

Ron

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/11/2011 4:04:53 PM

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Roch, see here old bean, I don't want to stereotype you, but you got some blue shit hangin off your face......

Ron,
I've tried washing it off, but it just won't seem to come out. I think I may have to see a doctor about it.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/11/2011 4:22:28 PM

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I've had a white Domme ask me to "talk ghetto", and "act like a gangsta". I have a masters degree. I'm not a gangster.

See, that's something I might ask you to do if we were in a relationship. But I would be equally likely to have you being a pirate's cabin boy or an elvish captive. Fantasies are fantasies, and they're all good fun.

Race play per se doesn't do a lot for me. I'd participate in a fantasy scene that involved racial dynamics, though it would be more likely to involve fantasy races like elves or gnolls than historical plantation owners and slaves. Being limited to real-world history for your fantasy fodder gets boring, and it can hit people's bad buttons, so why bother?

I do like a well told fantasy story done as a scene, and race play can be shorthand for invoking some effective dynamics. But there's no reason to be limited to your actual physical race, or to actual human races for that matter. Though granted, you would need a bit less makeup to be a good drow elf. Just need to get the white wig. ;)

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/12/2011 3:58:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009
I've had a white Domme ask me to "talk ghetto", and "act like a gangsta". I have a masters degree. I'm not a gangster.

See, that's something I might ask you to do if we were in a relationship. But I would be equally likely to have you being a pirate's cabin boy or an elvish captive. Fantasies are fantasies, and they're all good fun.

And I can understand that. Frankly, I'd be much more likely to be willing to participate in a fantasy you have about being raped by a black gangster if you first established that role-play was a part of our relationship. So if I had already pretended to be a pirate, an elf, and Zorro for you, then I would be much more open to playing a plantation slave or a gangster.

What offends me is when someone doesn't have the imagination to think of any other roles for me to play. The only ideas they can think of are for me to be a gangster, a plantation slave, or an NBA player.

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RE: explain Race Play from your point of veiw - 5/12/2011 6:18:22 AM

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No tap dancing or blues playing?

(I'm sure folks who know me know that I am poking fun at the racists).

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