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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 1:02:04 AM   
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He admitted on tape he was responsible. He was crowing the damage on the Twin Towers exceeded his expectations (building collapses vs major damage).

I think the military tribunals at Gitmo are a sham and a shame, but I won't lose sleep over OBL's demise. Let's think about the people who jumped to their death rather than being burned alive. Let's think about one of the jumpers who landed on/killed the NYC Fire Chaplain (Father Michal Judge, I think).

In spite of what I've written above, I DO believe in the rule of law. We should strive for perfection and justice in the courts. I'm not going to weep for OBL's "trampled rights".

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 1:17:06 AM   
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quote:

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He admitted on tape he was responsible. He was crowing the damage on the Twin Towers exceeded his expectations (building collapses vs major damage).

I think the military tribunals at Gitmo are a sham and a shame, but I won't lose sleep over OBL's demise. Let's think about the people who jumped to their death rather than being burned alive. Let's think about one of the jumpers who landed on/killed the NYC Fire Chaplain (Father Michal Judge, I think).

In spite of what I've written above, I DO believe in the rule of law. We should strive for perfection and justice in the courts. I'm not going to weep for OBL's "trampled rights".



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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 1:39:40 AM   
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If a mad dog bites you, you don't give it a second opportunity to do so. You put him down. This is just another case of that. Whats done is done and in this case it made the world a better place. Now it is up to us to hurt him worse by forgetting about him rather than immortalizing him in our discussions.


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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:35:16 AM   
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A dog is a four legged animal, OBL was a two legged human, dogs we might put down if they are a problem to humanity, but people deserve to be treated as people whatever their reported crime, remember in the west one is innocent until proved guilty and admission of crimes can be disproved. If we are to be so righteous in our condemnation of others, which includes interference in another county's politics or lands, we better make sure we have the right to be righteous by living up to what we hold as true. As anything other just makes us look like frauds and no doubt just adds to our critics and condemers view of us, and undoubtedly causes our own countrymen to question, as we are doing on these boards.

If there is at all a doubt or question in your mind about this episode, then somewhere in you something feels wrong, but on the other hand, as soon as you accept the killing of another without due process, you have no complaint when similar is done to you or yours.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:39:14 AM   
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A dog is a four legged animal, OBL was a two legged human, dogs we might put down if they are a problem to humanity, but people deserve to be treated as people whatever their reported crime, remember in the west one is innocent until proved guilty and admission of crimes can be disproved. If we are to be so righteous in our condemnation of others, which includes interference in another county's politics or lands, we better make sure we have the right to be righteous by living up to what we hold as true. As anything other just makes us look like frauds and no doubt just adds to our critics and condemers view of us, and undoubtedly causes our own countrymen to question, as we are doing on these boards.

If there is at all a doubt or question in your mind about this episode, then somewhere in you something feels wrong, but on the other hand, as soon as you accept the killing of another without due process, you have no complaint when similar is done to you or yours.

If he is seen as a casualty of war, as a lot of America looks at him, then he is just that, and his due process rights were revoked with the death of about 3000 people on 9/11....sorry to be the Ugly American...but, here I am

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:45:08 AM   
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Do you see any parallels here, a bunch of combatants secretly enter another country to assassinate someone, tell me, where is that different from what terrorists do.

Btw, assassinate is a word of Arabic origin, from about the time of the crusades

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 3:49:44 AM   
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Well, I would tell you that 9-11 was pretty much unprovoked but, in the minds of those who committed the atrocity us even existing is provocation enough for them.



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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:05:59 AM   
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9-11 was pretty much unprovoked


Why not just pure; unprovoked ?

Pretty much implies you think there was some kind of provocation.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:08:05 AM   
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No, I simply have no way of knowing the specifics of what they thought. If they thought it was retalliation for something specific or if our existence alone was enough for them to think that somehow what they were doing was right.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:09:40 AM   
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quote:

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A dog is a four legged animal, OBL was a two legged human, dogs we might put down if they are a problem to humanity, but people deserve to be treated as people whatever their reported crime, remember in the west one is innocent until proved guilty and admission of crimes can be disproved. If we are to be so righteous in our condemnation of others, which includes interference in another county's politics or lands, we better make sure we have the right to be righteous by living up to what we hold as true. As anything other just makes us look like frauds and no doubt just adds to our critics and condemers view of us, and undoubtedly causes our own countrymen to question, as we are doing on these boards.

If there is at all a doubt or question in your mind about this episode, then somewhere in you something feels wrong, but on the other hand, as soon as you accept the killing of another without due process, you have no complaint when similar is done to you or yours.


I going to ask this one more time because no one has answered me yet and every time I hear you and others portray him as a victim it just pisses me off more.

Where the fuck was the due process for the innocent people that Bin Laden admittedly condemned to their deaths?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:14:18 AM   
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Ok, of the targets hit on 9/11, what were they other than symbols of the US, the pentagon is the US military, the wtc is trade and commerce, the white house was a failed attack but you know what that represents, so the terrorists were attacking America, but my question is why, what provoked them to attack America via it's symbolism, for that is very clear.

Edited to add, other symbolism included the aircraft being Boeings, American made and operated by American Airlines, the terrorists were using American products against America.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:14:28 AM   
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As I pointed out the last time you came out with that one, that's a specious comparison. Why do you feel it's unreasonable for a country's uniformed military forces to be held to higher standards than a terrorist ringleader?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:17:44 AM   
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Do you see any parallels here, a bunch of combatants secretly enter another country to assassinate someone, tell me, where is that different from what terrorists do.



The difference is he wasn't an accountant just going about his daily business when a hijacked airplane slammed through his window and killed him.

The difference is he had blood on his hands.

The difference is he was a self-admitted terrorist.

It just literally makes me sick to hear people comparing him to the innocent victims whose lives he took.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:19:29 AM   
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Who has made that comparison?

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:20:47 AM   
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Granted, I see your point partially. However, the difference between their methods and our's is monumental. We announce that he is being hunted, they strike like the cowardly dogs they are. We use a precise team and do our best to remove the cancer with minimum casualties, they use 747s to destroy as many of us as they can. There are children going on without mothers and fathers, parents going on without children, families that will never see their loved ones again and who may have watched in horror as that loved one died on national tv to escape an even more gruesome and prolonged death. If you want to defend his rights, defend it to the people I have mentioned above and see how morally superior you feel then. Anyone who can commit those atrocities have already forfeited their right to due process and any sympathy whatsoever. That's my two cents.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:21:37 AM   
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Don't you get it, those of us who become victims of another's actions do so because of others actions against them, whilst whoever or whatever meddles in things that don't concern us, we always become the victims of retaliation.

Basically, we reap what others sow, and whilst we are reaping it is interesting that the sowers are never the receivers, we are being used.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:23:28 AM   
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Granted, I see your point partially. However, the difference between their methods and our's is monumental. We announce that he is being hunted, they strike like the cowardly dogs they are. We use a precise team and do our best to remove the cancer with minimum casualties, they use 747s to destroy as many of us as they can. There are children going on without mothers and fathers, parents going on without children, families that will never see their loved ones again and who may have watched in horror as that loved one died on national tv to escape an even more gruesome and prolonged death. If you want to defend his rights, defend it to the people I have mentioned above and see how morally superior you feel then. Anyone who can commit those atrocities have already forfeited their right to due process and any sympathy whatsoever. That's my two cents.



I am not defending anyone, I am just questioning our morals.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:31:55 AM   
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THE WORLD HAS BEEN AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT RIGHT.I AM WONDERING WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS A DEVOUT MUSLIN AND THOUGHT AN INFIDLE WAS OUT TO DESTORY MY RELIGON, I WOULD FIGHT BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE RITH OBL IS THAT HE WAS A COWARD, DISREGARING THEKORAN ABOUT KILLING INNOCENTS, GOOD RIDENCE..WE SHALL SEE IF THE SPLINTER GROUPS ARE UP TO CAUSING MAJOR TROUNLE.JUST THIS OLS MASTERS VIEWS ..BOUNTY..EXCUSE THE CAPS THE LOCK IS SCREWED AND I AM OFF TO TOWN FOR ANOTHER KB THIS MORNING..

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:33:23 AM   
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As a former SF Officer, you should know the difference between a snatch and grab mission, and a shoot and loot mission. The mission parameters and ROE were set long before the choppers left the ground.

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RE: A bullet in the brain, is it questionble? - 5/10/2011 4:38:13 AM   
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OF COURSE IT WAS ...BH

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