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Sanity -> Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/10/2011 9:13:12 PM)


HE'S BAAAACK, and that tall smooth talkin' man says he needs some of that sweet sweeeeet Hispanic vote again...

Says hes sorry bout standing them up and he really does love the Hispanics, something just came up. Thats all. Honest!

quote:

Obama Courts Latino Voters With Immigration Speech

As a candidate, President Obama promised Latino voters that he would aggressively push for passage of a comprehensive immigration bill during his first year in office. “What I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill that I strongly support and that I’m promoting,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with the Spanish-language broadcaster Univision in 2008.

Now, facing a re-election campaign next year, the White House is embarking on a public relations effort to reassure Latino supporters who say they are frustrated by the president’s failure to deliver on his immigration promise.

On Tuesday, Mr. Obama will travel to the United States border with Mexico to kick off a series of community conversations about the need for immigration reform. In a speech in El Paso, Mr. Obama will urge Congress to act, though officials said he would not unveil legislation nor demand a specific timeline.

“He’s trying to lead a constructive and civil debate on America’s broken immigration system,” a senior White House official said, speaking on background ahead of the president’s speech. “What the president is hoping to do is to drive momentum.”

Latino voters sided overwhelmingly for Mr. Obama in the 2008 election...


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The president, officials said, wants to “create a sense of urgency around the country that matches his sense of urgency.”

But liberal and conservative Latino activists in Washington say the president will need to do more than that if he hopes to convince Latinos that he deserves their support in 2012.

“If they think that this is going to be the thing that mobilizes an increasingly disappointed Latino electorate, I think they’re wrong,” Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice Education Fund, a pro-immigration reform group, said in an interview Monday.


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“They are going to have to have to make some big administrative action to make up for the fact that he promised big,” Mr. Sharry said.


Full article at http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/obama-courts-latino-voters-with-immigration-speech/





Termyn8or -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/10/2011 9:25:28 PM)

They gonna change the language for real this time ?

T^T




Brain -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 3:46:10 AM)

It looks like Republicans will be at fault if they do not come to an agreement which should help Democrats in the next election.


Obama mocks Republican position on immigration
BY DARLENE SUPERVILLE AND ERICA WERNER, ASSOCIATED PRESS

President Barack Obama says his administration has answered the concerns of Republican lawmakers who want the U.S.-Mexico border better secured before they are willing to take on comprehensive immigration reform.

Standing at the border Tuesday, Obama mocked Republicans for never being satisfied and always changing the conditions about what's needed to secure the border. Said the president: "Maybe they'll say we need a moat. Or alligators in the moat."

Obama says that stepped-up enforcement is getting results.

http://www.salon.com/news/immigration/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/05/10/us_obama_immigration_3


The president heads for the U.S.-Mexico border Tuesday

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Sanity -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 5:08:26 AM)


Except, you know what? The president had a Dem congress for two years and he didnt even bring it up as promised. Didnt even mention it.

Now its the Republicans fault?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

It looks like Republicans will be at fault if they do not come to an agreement




mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 6:52:48 AM)

The fuck he didn't.  Either your revisionist history or your ignorance is showing.




Sanity -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:00:44 AM)


From Brians source

quote:



Standing at the border Tuesday, Obama mocked Republicans for never being satisfied and always changing the conditions about what's needed to secure the border. Said the president: "Maybe they'll say we need a moat. Or alligators in the moat."



So in other words the president didnt go down there to try to unite the country. He went down there to try to divide us. He wants to stir shit up! Whoop out a can of hate and anger...

Things arent ugly enough for him, theres a political advantage to be had if he can bring the border situation to even more of a boil than it already is.








mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:01:39 AM)

Yeah, actually, he's doing a better job of uniting the country than you are doing.




Sanity -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:04:20 AM)


Or you, but... neither of us is the president. [;)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, actually, he's doing a better job of uniting the country than you are doing.




mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:06:40 AM)

And the president is uniting those who want reform and showing up the do nothing, country destroying, lame ass, give away our rights and freedoms to foreign corporations neo-cons for what they are.

I do not think any president will have 100% agreement, but hes working on the majority of americans. 




Sanity -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:12:13 AM)


We dont need a president, any president... going down to the border to stir shit up for political gain mnot. Not on either side, for any reason.

And if he is going to promise Latinos that he will push immigration reform in his first term he should do it, but its not about doing whats right or just its about votes

And once he has the votes tucked safely away all these special interest groups dont hear from him until he needs them again, next election cycle. Then once again theres nothing he wont promise them




mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:18:33 AM)

He is not stirring shit up, nity.  He is talking factually, explaining the situation.  He is pushing immigration reform, doubled the border guards, built on the border fence, agressively pursued criminal illegal aliens, and what the fuck have the country destroying neo-cons done?   Bitched about how the removal of this slave labor has hurt big business.  Anything else?   




Musicmystery -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:22:58 AM)

Not sure what "uniting" means in decades long polarization. But the majority seem behind the efforts --

[since you've claimed the majority are conservative, that would have to include conservatives--hence, uniting...]

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, May 11, 3:17 AM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president’s standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.

Comfortable majorities of the public now call Obama a strong leader who will keep America safe. Nearly three-fourths — 73 percent — also now say they are confident that Obama can effectively handle terrorist threats. And he improved his standing on Afghanistan, Iraq and the United States’ relationships with other countries.

Despite a sluggish recovery from the Great Recession, 52 percent of Americans now approve of Obama’s stewardship of the economy, giving him his best rating on that issue since the early days of his presidency; 52 percent also now like how he’s handling the nation’s stubbornly high 9 percent unemployment.

The economy remains Americans’ top issue.

Impressions of the nation’s fiscal outlook have improved following last Friday’s positive jobs report, which showed American companies are on a hiring spree. More people now say that the economy got better in the past month and that it’s likely to continue doing so in the coming year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-gfk-poll-obamas-approval-rating-hits-highest-point-in-2-years/2011/05/11/AF2ipymG_story.html




RacerJim -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:38:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The fuck he didn't.  Either your revisionist history or your ignorance is showing.

Well if he mentioned it that's all he did because even with a Democratic majority House and Democratic super-majority Senate during his first two years in office he and the Democrats didn't enact "Imigration Reform" legislation. Promises, promises...lies, lies.




Musicmystery -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:42:28 AM)

Health care was the prime objective.

And the opposition was yelling "Why so fast? Get to it in time..."

Immigration reform is a mess here, because what's reasonable is broadly opposed (Bush struggled with this too).

And alas, yes, the issue drips politics from every side.




mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:42:32 AM)

Yeah, you guys should really come out of your neo-con induced lying coma.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3511875/mpage_1/tm.htm

(this was part of his effort)  and the senate passed it and the republicans used a slimy cloakroom provision to block it.




RacerJim -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:50:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not sure what "uniting" means in decades long polarization. But the majority seem behind the efforts --

[since you've claimed the majority are conservative, that would have to include conservatives--hence, uniting...]

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, May 11, 3:17 AM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s approval rating has hit its highest point in two years — 60 percent — and more than half of Americans now say he deserves to be re-elected, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll taken after U.S. forces killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

In worrisome signs for Republicans, the president’s standing improved not just on foreign policy but also on the economy, and independent Americans — a key voting bloc in the November 2012 presidential election — caused the overall uptick in support by sliding back to Obama after fleeing for much of the past two years.

Comfortable majorities of the public now call Obama a strong leader who will keep America safe. Nearly three-fourths — 73 percent — also now say they are confident that Obama can effectively handle terrorist threats. And he improved his standing on Afghanistan, Iraq and the United States’ relationships with other countries.

Despite a sluggish recovery from the Great Recession, 52 percent of Americans now approve of Obama’s stewardship of the economy, giving him his best rating on that issue since the early days of his presidency; 52 percent also now like how he’s handling the nation’s stubbornly high 9 percent unemployment.

The economy remains Americans’ top issue.

Impressions of the nation’s fiscal outlook have improved following last Friday’s positive jobs report, which showed American companies are on a hiring spree. More people now say that the economy got better in the past month and that it’s likely to continue doing so in the coming year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-gfk-poll-obamas-approval-rating-hits-highest-point-in-2-years/2011/05/11/AF2ipymG_story.html

Just like my 23yo Obot nephew...base your opinions on a self-admitted Obama-supporting newspaper/poll.




Musicmystery -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:54:29 AM)

Do you read?

Not much by way of my opinion here.

It's one poll. But's it's still more than you're offering.




cuckoldmepls -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:57:09 AM)

You said that that lack of Immigration reform would hurt republicans? Are you insane. Over 70% of Americans are demanding Illegal Immigration be stopped. It was actually 82% according to a gallup poll before Obama got elected, but naturally the people who support Obama some of them have been deceived on this issue.

What do you think  has destroyed our economy? There's only 2 possibilities. Illegal Immigration, and free trade. I think both have contributed to our $14 trillion national debt, and unemployment permanently hovering around 9%.

Do you realize that we can cut the unemployment rate in half simply by passing everify and enforcing our immigration laws?

When democrats talk about immigration reform, they are really only talking about amnesty in one for or another. When republicans talk about immigration reform, we are talking about actually enforcing our immigration laws for a change, and securing our border.






mnottertail -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:59:17 AM)

NO, the amnesty dealing is absolutely neo-con.




RacerJim -> RE: Immigration Reform - "Really Really this time' (5/11/2011 7:59:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Health care was the prime objective.

And the opposition was yelling "Why so fast? Get to it in time..."

Immigration reform is a mess here, because what's reasonable is broadly opposed (Bush struggled with this too).

And alas, yes, the issue drips politics from every side.

That's a good liberal -- change the subject (to healthcare) then blame the opposition (Republicans) even though they couldn't do anything to stop you.

Immigration reform is a only a mess because what's reasonable is too simple -- deport illegal immigrants and arrest employers who hire them.

Alas, the issue of Obama's 2008 campaign pandering to Hispanics/Latios rears it's ugly head again.




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