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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/14/2011 10:41:18 PM   
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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/14/2011 11:03:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Awareness, are you aware that consistent and excessive use of derisive language along with continued and willful ignorance of the topic at hand, including but not limited to the current talking point, history, application and scope, including the multitude of stances observed in the general populous, show you for an idiot?


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It's much easier to swallow when it doesn't come directly from the source and agrees with your rigidly held viewpoint, eh?



Hmmmmm.... my view points are based upon my personal experience. I do not try to change the law to conform to my "views", but at the same time I can't stand falsehoods standing as truths to support viewpoints so rigid that there is zero compromise with them. People so rigid that they brag that if we changed the laws they would start shooting people to protect their rights, etc.


Like I said, people want to own guns, fine by me, but I know that many innocent children are dead because of this decision. More innocent people die from gun related accidents than bad guys getting nailed by home defenders. It is what it is....


Much like women complain of men, give an inch and they take a mile. Same thing with "compromise". This is often brought up when one side has nothing to offer or is in a weak and/or otherwise untenable position. It's compromise until you can force. Also, your example holds true for over the counter medicine, vehicles, small object (including toys) and many many other things. Carelessness, intent and simply people kill people. Objects are objects. While I dislike people dieing over accidents or what have you, I find it odd to blame the object as opposed to the root cause. This is why we don't try a bullet for murder or a word for libel but the person who made use of it.

Also, you talk of personal experience. That's fine and dandy but you have not had all the personal experience a person can have. To your remark about defending ones rights, there are two ways to do it. Persuasion and force. Most would rather things not get to the latter but are prepared for it should people decide to stop listening.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/14/2011 11:15:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Three facts. One according to FBI statistics four crimes are stopped with guns for every crime committed with one.  Two the study showing the high number o children was fatally flawed, for that study and that study only children included people up to 25.  Three more children die in swimming pool accidents than firearm accidents.  I might add that it is impossible to clean a loaded gun.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/14/2011 11:21:58 PM   
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Awareness, are you aware that consistent and excessive use of derisive language along with continued and willful ignorance of the topic at hand, including but not limited to the current talking point, history, application and scope, including the multitude of stances observed in the general populous, show you for an idiot?
  Oh cry me a river, gun obsessive.  Here's an idea, why don't you go grab one of your guns so you feel more like a man.  Alternatively, try abstaining from gun culture for a month and see what it does to your personality.  The results should be interesting.

Then again, you could always do some reading that isn't financed by the NRA.  Just a thought.


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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 12:06:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zenny

Awareness, are you aware that consistent and excessive use of derisive language along with continued and willful ignorance of the topic at hand, including but not limited to the current talking point, history, application and scope, including the multitude of stances observed in the general populous, show you for an idiot?
  Oh cry me a river, gun obsessive.  Here's an idea, why don't you go grab one of your guns so you feel more like a man.  Alternatively, try abstaining from gun culture for a month and see what it does to your personality.  The results should be interesting.

Then again, you could always do some reading that isn't financed by the NRA.  Just a thought.



Been there, done that. I don't like how I grow boobs and get all emo and shit, yo, when I'm not in the presence of a firearm for extended periods of time. I just held and stroked my baby for and hour. My penis grew an inch! It's now a foot long. Only cost me $5! After all, guns are EVERYWHERE in jolly ole' USA and can be had cheap!

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 12:50:10 AM   
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I'm an Aussie, you idiot, I'm not affected by your American political stupidity.

Yes, it's clear you're affected by your own *special* brand of stupidity.

Lucky you.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 1:05:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Three facts. One according to FBI statistics four crimes are stopped with guns for every crime committed with one.  Two the study showing the high number o children was fatally flawed, for that study and that study only children included people up to 25.  Three more children die in swimming pool accidents than firearm accidents.  I might add that it is impossible to clean a loaded gun. "

Thank you for bringing a brain. Bitches scream "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" and don't know shit. I hope you can back those stats up, because we have a crowd of bitch/vultures around here who only accept facts from,,,,,,,,fuckt if I know what they consider gospel.

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a Man of filth and waste. Some call me L....., just look around and you'll know what they call me. Fukum anyway. But I do believe I could clean a loaded gun, well certain types. Now if anyone knows how to clean a gun, the first step is to make sure it is not loaded. I guess I would have to do the opposite. The first step would be to make sure it IS loaded.

Really, what else makes sense ?

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 1:09:46 AM   
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When I teach 13 year olds how to clean guns, I will stress that the first step is to ascertain whether or not said firearm is loaded.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 6:15:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zenny

Awareness, are you aware that consistent and excessive use of derisive language along with continued and willful ignorance of the topic at hand, including but not limited to the current talking point, history, application and scope, including the multitude of stances observed in the general populous, show you for an idiot?
  Oh cry me a river, gun obsessive.  Here's an idea, why don't you go grab one of your guns so you feel more like a man.  Alternatively, try abstaining from gun culture for a month and see what it does to your personality.  The results should be interesting.

Then again, you could always do some reading that isn't financed by the NRA.  Just a thought.




Awareness, just so you know, I am a liberal. I despise the NRA, and honeslty I have next to nothing in common with the typical "pro gun" right wing republican. So this generalizing bullshit is well...bullshit. I own guns because I can, because I live in a really nice house, I drive nice vehicles, I don't trust people, I know how to use guns, I don't know, pick one, who really cares. I am *not* going to be raped, robbed or anything else with a loaded firearm within reach in every room in my house, and usually one in my bag since I have a conceal carry permit.

I don't have children, before another incorrect generalization is made.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 7:01:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		"And let's not forget the number of people in that list who take their lives with their own weapon. "

So you would force a person to live against their will ? That is the power of life and death, and is tantamount to the the ability to kill.

What gives you the right ?

T^T

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 8:38:44 AM   
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Three facts. One according to FBI statistics four crimes are stopped with guns for every crime committed with one.


FBI Study, huh? Interesting. See the thing is, I have a background in law enforcement and have quite a bit of experience in the statistical gathering process the FBI uses and exactly what kinds of surveys they engage in. And unless that 'survey' that you're citing kind of cryptically doesn't comprise as the LION'S SHARE of the said episodes where crimes are being prevented by individuals with guns, I would hazard a guess that a number like 3.8 of the events are the result of a duly appointed law enforcement official drawing their sidearm on a perpetrator caught in the commission of a crime. That's not much of a supportive statistic for people in possession of properly licensed firearms.
    I can tell you for a fact, that the Bureau is definitely not engaged in any 'studies' that produce data designed to promote private gun ownership.
  I can also tell you from my professional experience that individuals who run around talking about their wealth of experience with weapons  and constantly seem to engage in verbal aggression with those around them (one in this thread really stands out as a prime example) are the kind of people we'd routinely keep an eye on. Individuals like that fit a profile where the extrapolated behaviors include murder of family members, armed stand-offs, and even child molestation.
     But I digress. I would SERIOUSLY like to see this study you speak of. And can you provide the fbi.gov link as opposed to a link to to some organization involved in the promotion of gun ownership (aka SALES), or perhaps a link from a major and credible news organization? Because I would really love to read the data source for myself.
  By the way, if you would like the perspective of someone who ACTUALLY carries a gun and has had to discharge it several times in the span of his career, I'll be happy to tell you how I feel about hand guns. If they all vanished tomorrow, and I never again had to look into the eyes of a young man who's just been shot, I would be a very happy camper.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 8:42:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Manathtewheel, I wouldnt hold my breath if I were you, that info is likely not to be coming, and most definitely not from a reliable source. Altho they will say that you will be a  pawn for govmt psy ops and to trust the govmtn is to be a sheep.
just to give you a heads up


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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 8:56:53 AM   
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Altho they will say that you will be a pawn for govmt psy ops and to trust the govmtn is to be a sheep.
just to give you a heads up


Oh, I'm sure. We have a guy locally who's just like that tator clown. presidents have visited my jurisdiction fairly frequently, guess who always gets put in protective custody?
   What that fellow actually needs is a heavy handed Domme so when he started running around the house with the 30 cent tall can of beer and the foil on his head, she could throw his sorry ass on the floor and kick out one of his teeth.
    I'm sure I don't have to mention this to the ladies in this thread, cause you're ALL obviously more intelligent than that, but I wouldn't exchange any personal information with the kooks in this thread. they fit classic perp profiles

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 9:03:05 AM   
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just to give you a heads up


By the way, that avatar picture... that CAN'T be your ass Although, if it is, you are a gift from god and I hope regardless or whether it is or it isn't, your man appreciates every second you are around.


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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 9:07:38 AM   
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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 10:39:00 AM   
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I kinda believe it and kinda don't. The FBI or any other government agency would never admit to anything that would promote average people being armed, it is diametrically opposed to their goals, as well as their very existence.

T^T

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 11:40:41 AM   
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"FBI Study, huh?"

I kinda believe it and kinda don't. The FBI or any other government agency would never admit to anything that would promote average people being armed, it is diametrically opposed to their goals, as well as their very existence.

T^T



There's a really easy way to answer this, provide a link to the study.    Surely the FBI has published this report.

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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 12:04:15 PM   
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Awareness, just so you know, I am a liberal. I despise the NRA, and honeslty I have next to nothing in common with the typical "pro gun" right wing republican. So this generalizing bullshit is well...bullshit. I own guns because I can, because I live in a really nice house, I drive nice vehicles, I don't trust people, I know how to use guns, I don't know, pick one, who really cares. I am *not* going to be raped, robbed or anything else with a loaded firearm within reach in every room in my house, and usually one in my bag since I have a conceal carry permit.

I don't have children, before another incorrect generalization is made.
  That's kind of my point, lass.  You live in fear and consequently need a gun to try and overcome that fear because the gun obsessives have turned your society into a violent one.  Ultimately all that does is raise the stakes.  If someone breaks into your home with intent to rape or rob you and has the reasonable expectation that you're carrying, then they will too.  At this point, it simply becomes a question of whether you're surprised or not, but the outcome is probably much deadlier than in a society without such a culture of fear.

I gather that most women experience sexual assault at the hands of someone they know.  If true, this tends to lower your opportunity to defend yourself with a gun, since there's a reasonable chance your guard will be down.

The trouble is, putting the genie back in the bottle would be difficult.  And the only realistic way it could work is to gradually make handguns more difficult to get and slowly modify social attitudes so insecure men stop seeking a weapon as a way to compensate for their feelings of inadequacy.


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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 12:55:37 PM   
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RE: Private firearms ownership saves another homeowner - 5/15/2011 12:56:47 PM   
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