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There's a really easy way to answer this, provide a link to the study. Surely the FBI has published this report.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

This is the same kind of nutty argument the NRA nuts make every time and every time they're pulled up by the vast weight of statistics which demonstrate:

A) Private firearms are more of a danger to yourself and your loved ones than anyone else.
B) Given the expectation of homeowners with firearms, criminals simply arm up themselves.
C) The resulting heavily-armed society is a violent one with simply enormous levels of gun violence.    Homicide due to firearms in the USA is roughly 85 per million population.   In New Zealand which has relatively liberal private gun ownership but places restrictions on military-style semi-automatics and focuses on vetting gun owners themselves rather than specific firearm classes, the homicide rate is 13 per million.

This means that we have less than 50 homicides per year, while the USA has 25,000-30,000.  And let's not forget the number of people in that list who take their lives with their own weapon.

Sorry gun crazies - this one example doesn't change the fact that more people die every year due to your obsession than are saved by it.  Nice try though.

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Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
tysk news ^ | 1997 | Baldwin
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:29:03 PM by doug from upland Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

This is the same kind of nutty argument the NRA nuts make every time and every time they're pulled up by the vast weight of statistics which demonstrate:

A) Private firearms are more of a danger to yourself and your loved ones than anyone else.
B) Given the expectation of homeowners with firearms, criminals simply arm up themselves.
C) The resulting heavily-armed society is a violent one with simply enormous levels of gun violence.    Homicide due to firearms in the USA is roughly 85 per million population.   In New Zealand which has relatively liberal private gun ownership but places restrictions on military-style semi-automatics and focuses on vetting gun owners themselves rather than specific firearm classes, the homicide rate is 13 per million.

This means that we have less than 50 homicides per year, while the USA has 25,000-30,000.  And let's not forget the number of people in that list who take their lives with their own weapon.

Sorry gun crazies - this one example doesn't change the fact that more people die every year due to your obsession than are saved by it.  Nice try though.

whats this another fuckin brit trying to tell americans to ban arms and how to live?

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Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
tysk news ^ | 1997 | Baldwin
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:29:03 PM by doug from upland Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

How does that saying go again?
Oh yeh... eat shit and bark at the moon!

YOu just better be nice because there are 300 million people in the US and 302 "known" arms in the hands of the public.  Thats more than the armys of the world combined.

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There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

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ORIGINAL: Focus50
True, none of them were shot dead, but....

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

I have this mental image of one of the "hand models" from the price is right

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Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets
tysk news ^ | 1997 | Baldwin
Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:29:03 PM by doug from upland Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia
Crime Rate Plummets by Chuck Baldwin

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired.

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I really don't know anything about your army of strawmen in your post but I put this up for people like you, but I guess you still dont get it.

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I can tell you for a fact, that the Bureau is definitely not engaged in any 'studies' that produce data designed to promote private gun ownership.

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By the way, if you would like the perspective of someone who ACTUALLY carries a gun and has had to discharge it several times in the span of his career[/snip]

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
whats this another fuckin brit trying to tell americans to ban arms and how to live?

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YOu just better be nice because there are 300 million people in the US and 302 MILLION "known" arms in the hands of the public.  Thats more than the armys of the world combined.