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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:26:59 PM

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Nor does the AMA police their own as heavily as the other boards do. Instead of covering each other's back, the Dr's should be worried enough to get the bad apples out.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:36:07 PM

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The AMA seems more interested in keeping bad/dangerous doctors in practice.It`s more of a union than a watchdog.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:38:07 PM

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The ANA will turn a nurse inside out for the smallest infraction.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:39:48 PM

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First, I'm disappointed, I thought we could disagree on something but I guess that ain't gonna happen.

Second, remember when they amputated the wrong leg on someone ? Just like the gun thread and how could you be cleaning a gun and not know if it's loaded ? Well how can you be a doctor and see two legs on a person, one os fine but the other is so bad it needs to be amputated, and you do not know which is which ?

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:41:41 PM

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Its like when they transplanted the organs into the girl at Duke... and the blood type didnt even match. How do you screw that up?

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 9:57:10 PM

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Well I guess we'll just have to solve this the American way. Triple their salary and indemnify them from any tort actions.

Ever have bad gas fuck up your car ? Maybe BP should be sued.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 10:07:51 PM

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First of all that "Life" will lead to death, and they won't have the liberty to take care of themselves because they don't have the means (making our country a weaker country in the end, as we lose the manpower of this country to health issues). And just how happy will they be?? You don't buy a pet if you can't take care of it, you don't plant a garden if you don't have the time to tend to it and you expect people to magically stay healthy enough to work and keep the country moving, if you don't give them a way to do that. Maybe they didn't say it literally because they thought we were smart enough to know how to take care of our own. Apparently, while other countries have mastered that feat, we haven't.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 10:19:10 PM

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Well I guess we'll just have to solve this the American way. Triple their salary and indemnify them from any tort actions.

Ever have bad gas fuck up your car ? Maybe BP should be sued.

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You cant sure BP, they wont take responsibility. You can sue the place you bought the gas from if you can prove that is what caused it. But, if you cant prove they were negligent, you wont win. Which is why STP makes a killing.

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Yes, Drs should have some shielding... but not as much as they get.

Lower the amounts to a point.... but make them so low and the Drs will have a field day because their insurance companies will just laugh as the write the checks.

And do you honestly believe the insurance companies will lower their malpractice rates enough to make a difference in what you are billed? Can I sell you ocean front property in Kansas?

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 10:34:53 PM

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The Young Turks had a pretty interesting take on this subject:

Thanks!

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/14/2011 10:49:42 PM

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Here in England we pay national insurance.

It covers sickness benefits, state pension and health care.

For me it is no difference than paying insurance except everyone pays and if your treatment costs too much you don’t have to sell your house to cover the costs.

Most of us still have to pay for any medication we buy except that the amount we pay is capped.

If you have the money you can still get private insurance and then not have to deal with waiting lists and get the newest medicines and cutting edge techniques etc. But most of those I know can’t afford it on an average wage. The only people I know who have it tend to be those whose work pays for it, much in the same way many I talk to in America couldn’t afford it if their place of work didn’t pay for it.

I really don’t understand Americans thoughts about health care, you pay one way we pay another. The difference is in our case it’s not the insurance people making the profit.

This is from the government’s website ....

If you're employed you pay Class 1 National Insurance contributions. The rates are:
If you earn more than £139 a week and up to £817 a week, you pay 12 per cent of the amount you earn between £139 and £817
If you earn more than £817 a week, you also pay 2 per cent of all your earnings over £817

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/15/2011 1:30:37 AM

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"Which is why STP makes a killing. "

HAHAHAHAHA. I think I love you.

We are a car family. I can tell you this. We have never put anything in our gas tanks but gas. I have seen cars thast need fuel injectors, pumps and or filters. They all have one thing in common. The dumb bitches were all about injector cleaners, dry-gas and all that shit. They always had to have those additives. They are the ones who need injectors.

Not me. You got an engineer somewhere to design a fuel injector, he must draw it out, and of course in many cases work out the manufacturing process. So he needs to invent a spray gun. He asks his boss "What does it spray ?". The answer is gasoline. Not gasoline additives, gasoline period. For proof of my assertion, try some paint in your oil pump.

You feed your car good gasoline all the time and you should never need a fuel pump, fuel filter or fuel injectors. I wish we could do that with our bodies.

But now I'd like to say that I can accept the fact that Rand Paul is a thief, and wouldn't take loans because he held out for the really free money. That REALLY makes me want to vote for him. Good Man. Take it from those mutherfukers.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 9:12:03 AM

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For me it is no difference than paying insurance except everyone pays and if your treatment costs too much you don’t have to sell your house to cover the costs.

Here we have health care companies that fear diminished profits and spend huge sums on lobbyists and misinformation campaigns to convince american citizens it's going to put our elderly before "death committees", that will "bankrupt the country", that unversal health care is "socialism". Tell me, do you brits consider yourselves socialist? The Anti-health care and anti-gun nuts in this country often refer to you folks as such. I am under the impression you're all participants in a Parliamentary Government. But since I have to opportunity to ask someone who actually LIVES THERE, I just figured I'd get it straight from the horse's mouth. Even though your picture looks decidedly hotter than any horse I have ever seen

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:14:57 AM

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So what precisely should happen to me? There is no way I can pay for the treatment that keeps me alive, 30+k per month. No one will sell me insurance at any rate. So if health care isn't a right should I get to die the incredibly unpleasant death caused by my body poisoning itself?

Your questions are not relevant to the point I am making. I am NOT arguing against the concept of universal health care. I might argue for or against the specifics of any such plan, but not against the concept itself. I am merely arguing that we need to be careful about what we call rights, particularly if such a "right" obligates others to serve you. Free speach is a right because no ne is obligated to serve me for me to practice my right. No newspaper has to print my letter. CM doesn't have to provide a forum.

My main problem with calling healthcare (or housing or a number of other things people have decreed to be a right) a right is that it clouds the issue. Rights are trump cards. People intuivtively understand that and some people use it as a weapon. Too often when someone screams "RIGHT" they are really saying "SHUT UP! WE DON"T WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU! JUST DO THINGS OUR WAY!" In other words, it's whole purpose is to shut down debate. That is a dangerous precedent to set. I am not asking that you be left to die because you can't afford treatment... I am asking that we be honest that you are asking other people to pay for your treatment, and not try to hide that fact behind a grossly misused word.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:23:48 AM

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This is a frontline show called Sick Around The World.

It compares 5 capitalist countries and their healthcare systems for weaknesses and strengths...

For example, a doctor from the UK was interviewed, he stated he made a 90k bonus for keeping his patients well. In other words, he was paid for his success in treating people. He cleared 194k last year. I would hardly call that "slavery", especially since the doctors in many of these countries didn't pay for their education.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:43:11 AM

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What makes up the cost of heath care?

What makes the cost of a medication rise from $10 to $1500?

That authority can be called "Doctor".

And you are under the impression its only the "poor" wo cant afford medical care? Care to take a look at the bankruptcy rate in relations to health care?

No I am not under the impression that only the poor can’t afford health care, I am merely using the word in this context to mean someone who can’t afford needed treatment.
As for what makes up the cost of health care I thought I already covered that. The cost of health care is made up of the cost of production of the product or service plus profit.
I am not certain what you mean by “that authority can be called Doctor.” Certainly an individual doctor may decide for or against treating you… but there is more than one doctor in the world.

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An, you are back to the idea of healthcare being free. Get it out of your head. No one has suggested any such thing. right =/= free.

I’ve heard people demand “free” health care so some people are more than suggesting it. The fact that health care is not free is exactly my point. But when you call it a right then it should be free (why should I have to pay for something that is my right?).

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Its sunject to market forces because some asshole in government decided it was a great way to make money.

False. Nobody (asshole or otherwise) in government can change the rules of reality. Making health care available for everybody via a government system will not remove it from the market… it will merely change the rules (which can result in unforeseen consequences). The people creating the products and services that comprise health care will still have to be paid. The money to pay them will still have to be gotten from somewhere.

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So, tell ya what, while the rest of us work towards a solution to this mess, you enjoy your blood money.

What blood money are you talking about? What exactly are you accusing me of?

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:45:17 AM

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What blood money are you talking about? What exactly are you accusing me of?

Anyone more succesful than she is earns blood money in her aberrant vision of the world.

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:55:02 AM

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I would hardly call that "slavery",

Neither would I (as I noted in my first post on this thread), so what is your point?

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 11:58:35 AM

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I would hardly call that "slavery",

Neither would I, so what is your point?

Did you think my reply was to you? I used the fast reply button

My point was to the thread in general and Rand Paul thinking that socialized medicine is somehow slavery

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 12:22:41 PM

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I’ve heard people demand “free” health care so some people are more than suggesting it. The fact that health care is not free is exactly my point. But when you call it a right then it should be free (why should I have to pay for something that is my right?).

Education is "free" and a right... but is it free when people pay for it with their taxes?

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False. Nobody (asshole or otherwise) in government can change the rules of reality. Making health care available for everybody via a government system will not remove it from the market… it will merely change the rules (which can result in unforeseen consequences). The people creating the products and services that comprise health care will still have to be paid. The money to pay them will still have to be gotten from somewhere.

May want to brush up on the beginnings of HMO's under Nixon.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Transcript_of_taped_conversation_between_President_Richard_Nixon_and_John_D._Ehrlichman_(1971)_that_led_to_the_HMO_act_of_1973:

Sure you dont want to reconsider your statement?

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What blood money are you talking about? What exactly are you accusing me of?

Why sunshine, do you hold stock in HMO's and the like? Maybe insurance companies? If not, then you would not be benefiting, would you. If you do, then the blood money is in your hands.

How does the insurance companies put it? "We aren't denying you care, we are denying payment for it."

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RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing... - 5/16/2011 12:32:56 PM

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Can I just mention that whole "gunbunny throws shitfit about pediatricain asking if they're keepiong the guns away from the kids" thiung here, if we're talking about slavery and enforced medical care?
Whatever the lad who wants to do away with medicare (unless it's paying for his clients to have their eyes checked) says, that strikes a European lefty as one of the most repulsive displays of hypocrisy you'll find this side of Newton "Not as good at SF as Hubbard" Gringrich and his dead ex.
You can't force thm to take medicare cases, but you can sue them if they refuse to see some tooled up twat's kids. Fucking hell.

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