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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

Rand is right. There is no "right" to health care. Leftists just make stuff up, bite their lower lip, and say "but it's for the children" and the weak minds of the country, some of them, buy off on it especially if other people are paying for it. Socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Great speech, very well said. A transcription of a part of the video is quoted below:

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SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): "With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have realize what that implies. It's not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery."

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The senator's remarks came during a hearing of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee's retirement and aging subcommittee. Paul is the ranking Republican on the panel.
The chairman of the panel, Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Vermont independent, wrote a section of the health care reform law that will spend an additional $11 billion over five years operating and expanding community health centers.

Paul complained about that spending and used the slavery analogy at some length in a discussion about the right to health care.

"It means that you're going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses," Paul said.

"If you have right to their services - basically, once you imply a belief in a right to one's services - do you have a right to plumbing? Do you have a right to water? Do you have a right to food? You're basically saying that you believe in slavery. You're saying you believe in taking and extracting from another person," he said.

"Our founding documents were very clear about this," he said. "You have a right to pursue happiness, but there's no guarantee of physical comfort. There's no guarantee of concrete items. In order to give something concrete or someone's service, you've got to take it from someone. So there's an implied threat of force.

"If I'm a physician in your community and you say you have a right to health care, do you have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you? That's ultimately what the right to free health care would be," Paul asserted. "If you believe in a right to health care, you're believing in basically the use of force to conscript someone to do your bidding."

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“This is going to be an interesting year,” Sanders said. “I think it’s fair to say that Sen. Paul and I have slight philosophical differences.”

Sanders turned to witness Dana Kraus, a family physician at the St. Johnsbury Family Health Center in Vermont, with what he called “a profound question.”

“Do you, as an employee of a federally qualified health center, consider yourself as a slave?” Sanders asked, drawing laughter from the audience.

Kraus responded, “I love my job. I chose to work there. I do not consider myself a slave. Thank you.”
Sanders asked her if she ever worries police officers in St. Johnsbury will break down her door in the middle of the night and force her to treat a patient.

Kraus said she doesn’t.
Sanders called the hearing to investigate whether community health care centers can reduce costly emergency room visits for non-urgent health care services.

Paul repeatedly suggested the health centers duplicate services provided by Planned Parenthood, which Republicans want to defund.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Why suuuuuuuuuure. Why not? Not like I would drag him from his home to.. ya know... maybe... save my life!!

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Does it matter whether we call it a right, a benefit, a privilege or a service?

YEH BIG TIME DIFFERENCE!

you are talking alw here not just semantic words! 

benefit means you are the beneficiary of some trust and under those conditions everything "should" be free completely no strings but we know the guv has its crooked ways.

Privilege is some political advantage, often said in the same terms as a "right" but in the civil poitical context they are interchangable.

Service is something you contract and pay usually out of pocket for..


What difference does that make to the DomKen's of this world who need medical help immediately? A person's right to life precedes all other rights and this is a matter of life and death.

Your right to life as you claim with regard to unalienable rights are not your right to have someone keep you alive but with regard to someone taking your life as in murder or the execution of bin laden.  He apparently had no right to life.

The adjectives most commonly used by people here to describe a situation where a health crisis causes bankruptcy are "unthinkable" and "barbaric". I find the blase way people rationalise the destruction of a person's life on account a perfectly ordinary treatable malady, callous and horrifying. If any Govt behaved the way DK's health insurers behaved, the Right would be outraged, shrieking about 'death panels' and similar hyperbole.

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL welcome to your democrappy system.  You all want commercial governance and rah rah your prazze donte's well enjoy it you got your just deserts.

If a Govt cannot ensure citizens can walk the streets in safety and security, then it gets a fail and thrown out at the next election.

How do you plan to do that?  Heard of the who?  "wont get fooled again"?

How is health any different? Are some people here saying health is not a matter of personal safety and security?

Its not and to say it is, is a gigantic leap of logic and 30dimension grammar twisting.

In my view, any Govt in an affluent Western country that is unable to offer all its citizens quality health care loses its moral right to govern -

first off governments are commercial not moral, that is why the lie consumer beware.

it has failed to deliver on a basic obligation.

No you are one of its victims of misperception.  Hell they told old timers that social security was like an insurance policy like hell it is.  No one read the ss4 and 5.  They were believers! yes they were!

Making the health of all citizens secondary to the 'rights' of privileged stakeholders (eg doctors) and for-profit industries is an utter perversion of the idea of 'commonwealth'.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats probably the best argument against public education Ive heard in a long time. Leftists such as julia believe that once you accept government aid the government then owns you for life and if your an ungrateful slave youre considered "vermin"

Not even human

Makes Dr Pauls argument for him, in a rather big way

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I was thinking it was the best argument for pre-frontal lobotomies to be covered by Medi-Cal.

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Hear the lark
and harken
to the barking of the dogfox,
gone to ground.

(in reply to Sanity)

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Does it matter whether we call it a right, a benefit, a privilege or a service? What difference does that make to the DomKen's of this world who need medical help immediately? A person's right to life precedes all other rights and this is a matter of life and death.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Does it matter whether we call it a right, a benefit, a privilege or a service? What difference does that make to the DomKen's of this world who need medical help immediately? A person's right to life precedes all other rights and this is a matter of life and death.

It is ironic and ugly that those who oppose the right to quality life of adults and children in need of medical care are the same who champion the right to life of the unborn. How to explain it?

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The emergency room in the hospital in my city is PACKED with illegal immigrants every day who are complaining of the non-descript belly ache which ends up requiring endoscopy or a lower GI series or whatever. They leave with Tylenol and some Nexium and they are out the door with $20,000.00 in testing having been performed and only the tax payers to foot the bill.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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The emergency room in the hospital in my city is PACKED with illegal immigrants every day who are complaining of the non-descript belly ache which ends up requiring endoscopy or a lower GI series or whatever. They leave with Tylenol and some Nexium and they are out the door with $20,000.00 in testing having been performed and only the tax payers to foot the bill.

Since we're ALL paying the bill anyway, why not just open a universal-medicare neighborhood clinic with a couple of family practitioners and some nurse practitioners in it, and get that cost-of-treatment down to 20 bucks?

I mean, no-one here would piss and moan about being able to give everyone healthcare if it only cost 20 bucks, right?

Pay attention. Health Insurers DO NOT SAVE ANYONE MONEY.

They add a cost to every healthcare transaction, but don't provide any real benefit. In fact, with their care-rationing, they work against The Public Interest...