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The eternal providence has appointed me to watch over the life and health of Thy creatures. May the love for my art actuate me at all time; may neither avarice nor miserliness, nor thirst for glory or for a great reputation engage my mind; for the enemies of truth and philanthropy could easily deceive me and make me forgetful of my lofty aim of doing good to Thy children.

May I never see in the patient anything but a fellow creature in pain.

Grant me the strength, time and opportunity always to correct what I have acquired, always to extend its domain; for knowledge is immense and the spirit of man can extend indefinitely to enrich itself daily with new requirements.

Today he can discover his errors of yesterday and tomorrow he can obtain a new light on what he thinks himself sure of today. Oh, God, Thou has appointed me to watch over the life and death of Thy creatures; here am I ready for my vocation and now I turn unto my calling."

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now.

If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket?

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I don't know much about Rand Paul, to me he is just another politician, and he may be exagerating a bit to get his point across but he is essentially correct. When you declare a product or service to be a right, you are essentially declaring that others MUST serve you. If I have a right to health care then other people MUST provide it. If I have a right to decent housing, then other people MUST provide it for me. That goes against the very idea of a free society.

Now, before you bobble heads out there get your panties in a twist, this doesn't mean I think it is a bad idea for everyone to have access to health care (how we go about doing that is an argument I'll save for another day) but let's not be intellectually dishonest by calling it a right. If someone is providing you health care for free or even for less than cost, then it is a benefit. When you start labeling benefits as rights... well... witness the indignant, whiney, responses on this thread. Indignant, whiney citizens who believe that they are entitled to service provided by others does not make for a viable society.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Here is the problem. Cancer... best caught when early. Screening tests can be cheap.. blood work.. to extremely expensive... MRI's and such. No insurance means everything is paid out of pocket. Blood work can cost 500+ and up. Thats rent to a proverty level family.

Drs visit for high bp... maybe 150 dollars. The cost of BP meds.... around 300 for a month with no prescription plan. Again, thats no small amount from a family at proverty level.

No one is asking for free care. I would not expect someone who went to medical school to give me, free of charge, what he does for a living. But there has GOT to be some way to meet in the middle.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now.

If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket?

Your unfortunate personal circumstances dont make it a right, as much as you would like it to.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now.

If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket?

Your unfortunate personal circumstances dont make it a right, as much as you would like it to.

unfortunate?
its a fucking travesty.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now.

If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket?

Your unfortunate personal circumstances dont make it a right, as much as you would like it to.

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Here is the problem. Cancer... best caught when early. Screening tests can be cheap.. blood work.. to extremely expensive... MRI's and such. No insurance means everything is paid out of pocket. Blood work can cost 500+ and up. Thats rent to a proverty level family.

Drs visit for high bp... maybe 150 dollars. The cost of BP meds.... around 300 for a month with no prescription plan. Again, thats no small amount from a family at proverty level.

No one is asking for free care. I would not expect someone who went to medical school to give me, free of charge, what he does for a living. But there has GOT to be some way to meet in the middle.

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This. Rare agreement between us!

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If its not a right, its a privilege. Which is health care to you?

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Or is it a privilege, and if you cant afford it, you should die?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

It does here, it does in my home country,

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now.

If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket?

Your unfortunate personal circumstances dont make it a right, as much as you would like it to.

You'll be donating your kidneys to me and giving dialysis a try out of pocket then?