RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery

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willbeurdaddy -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:07:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If its not a right, its a privilege. wrong, as usual.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:09:13 PM)
quote: Leading people into thinking that they are entitled to the fruits of other people's labor by mere virture of their birth clouds the issue. Instead what we have is a system that decides who lives or dies. Those with money make those decisions for those who do not. Those with money being those who invest in HMO's, Medical Corporations, ect. This is a subject that you cannot take the person out of the equation, as willbe wants to do, because the product directly affects the person. By your very definition of it being a product and a service, you label it a privilege. Something to be bought and sold to those who can afford it. Like owning a car, its a privilege. Owning your health is a privilege.... Nope... doesn't sit well with me at all.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:10:15 PM)
Says the insurance salesman.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:11:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Says the insurance salesman. Never sold a policy in my life, have never been employed by one in my life. So take your feeble attempt at a personal insult and shove it up your ass.

Moonhead -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:11:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen FR Anyone who wants to keep parroting the "health care is not a right" meme needs to consider very carefully my situation. A year ago I got a kidney infection, cause unknown, that rendered my kidney snearly dead. By late summer I was forced onto dialysis. By the end of September my company's group plan dropped us, just before the law changed disallowing that sort of thing. I was of course uninsurable, my present dialysis clinic bills at just over 30k per month. Without Medicare I would literally be dead now. If health care is not a right would you care to donate your kidneys' to me and try paying for dialysis out of your own pocket? Your unfortunate personal circumstances dont make it a right, as much as you would like it to. unfortunate? its a fucking travesty. Paint it whatever color you want, it still doesnt make it a fucking right! You missed the bit that I've highlighted, then? He had been fucking paying for it, sunshine. Under the capitalist system you worship, that makes it holy, never mind a right.

mnottertail -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:13:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Says the insurance salesman. Never sold a policy in my life, have never been employed by one in my life. So take your feeble attempt at a personal insult and shove it up your ass. That would point out even more lies in your earlier posts if you were not instrumental in insurance peddling.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Says the insurance salesman. Never sold a policy in my life, have never been employed by one in my life. So take your feeble attempt at a personal insult and shove it up your ass. You are the one into ass play, not me.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:22:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Says the insurance salesman. Never sold a policy in my life, have never been employed by one in my life. So take your feeble attempt at a personal insult and shove it up your ass. You are the one into ass play, not me. Thats your loss then.

Lucylastic -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:25:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic It does here, it does in my home country, Wrong. What makes provides it in your country is a LAW, which has nothing to do with whether its a "right" or not. Pick pick pick, philosphy says we have no rights, but our laws say otherwise But it IS enacted as a right in the charter, now of course it can be denied by greed until then it is seen as a RIGHT same as the UN charter of Human rights. Greed is the only thing keeping you from giving the same rights to americans

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:26:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic It does here, it does in my home country, Wrong. What makes provides it in your country is a LAW, which has nothing to do with whether its a "right" or not. Pick pick pick, philosphy says we have no rights, but our laws say otherwise But it IS enacted as a right in the charter, now of course it can be denied by greed until then it is seen as a RIGHT same as the UN charter of Human rights. Greed is the only thing keeping you from giving the same rights to americans Reality is what will make it unaffordable in CA in 10 years.

Moonhead -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:26:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic same as the UN charter of Human rights. When have the American right even pretended to give a fuck about that?

Lucylastic -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:35:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic It does here, it does in my home country, Wrong. What makes provides it in your country is a LAW, which has nothing to do with whether its a "right" or not. Pick pick pick, philosphy says we have no rights, but our laws say otherwise But it IS enacted as a right in the charter, now of course it can be denied by greed until then it is seen as a RIGHT same as the UN charter of Human rights. Greed is the only thing keeping you from giving the same rights to americans Reality is what will make it unaffordable in CA in 10 years. Wrong, wrong and wrong, but thats never stopped you before has it millions upon millions and millions of people have had national healthcare, and it will carry on, because it will not be allowed to have scum and greed split it up. Things may change, certain things may be priced that are in plans now , there may be two tier, but it wont end. Stop with being a little fortune teller, you have less credibility than palin and trump put together rolled up in michelle backman.

Lucylastic -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:36:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic same as the UN charter of Human rights. When have the American right even pretended to give a fuck about that? As far as I know? Never until they need something

Moonhead -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you have less credibility than palin and trump put together rolled up in michelle backman. A DYB Republican pitta?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:41:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic It does here, it does in my home country, Wrong. What makes provides it in your country is a LAW, which has nothing to do with whether its a "right" or not. Pick pick pick, philosphy says we have no rights, but our laws say otherwise But it IS enacted as a right in the charter, now of course it can be denied by greed until then it is seen as a RIGHT same as the UN charter of Human rights. Greed is the only thing keeping you from giving the same rights to americans Reality is what will make it unaffordable in CA in 10 years. Wrong, wrong and wrong, but thats never stopped you before has it millions upon millions and millions of people have had national healthcare, and it will carry on, because it will not be allowed to have scum and greed split it up. Things may change, certain things may be priced that are in plans now , there may be two tier, but it wont end. Stop with being a little fortune teller, you have less credibility than palin and trump put together rolled up in michelle backman. Over 70% of the Canadian tax dollar. Guess you'll be going without a lot of other services then. And as far as economics and politics you have the crediblity of a rutabaga.

Marc2b -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:42:37 PM)
quote: Instead what we have is a system that decides who lives or dies. Those with money make those decisions for those who do not. Those with money being those who invest in HMO's, Medical Corporations, ect. This is a subject that you cannot take the person out of the equation, as willbe wants to do, because the product directly affects the person. By your very definition of it being a product and a service, you label it a privilege. Something to be bought and sold to those who can afford it. Like owning a car, its a privilege. Owning your health is a privilege.... Nope... doesn't sit well with me at all. You're still not getting it. I reject your either/or choice of right or privilege. Again: health care is neither of these things. A person who can afford to pay a doctor to perform surgery is not privileged. A privilege is something granted to you by an authority. Nobody is telling the rich man he can have surgery and the poor man he can't because "he's rich and you're not." The inability of the poor man to pay for the surgery is a result of market forces (his lack of marketable skills, the high cost of "producing" doctors, etc). Nor is it a question of wanting to remove the person from the equation. That's absurd! Remove people from the equation and there are no market forces! That's what the market is: people making choices and interacting with other people. There is no getting around that. If you want to check your blood pressure then you need a blood pressure cuff. You can scream RIGHT all you want but it still has to be manufactured, the materials it is made out of still have to be taken from the earth, it still has to be transported from its point of manufacture to you! DECLARING THAT HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT DOES NOT MAKE ALL THAT MAGICALLY HAPPEN! The people who do all of that still need to be compensated for their labor (or else they are not going to be able to afford anything). I know you want to think of yourself as a good person. We all do. But saying that you believe health care is a right is a cheap way to go about it. I mean, I want good things for everybody too: Health care for everybody! Housing for everybody! Chocolate cheesecake for everybody! Saying it doesn't do a damn thing (except to give ourself a really great ego stroke off) We need to be honest with each other and accept reality. We can start by calling health care for what it is: a product and a service subject to market forces; and we should call giving health care to people who are unable to afford it what it really is: not a right, not a privilege... but a benefit. ETA: FRIDAY! 5pm! WOO-HOO! (have a nice weekend). [:)]

Moonhead -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:42:57 PM)
What proportion of the annual UK tax revenue goes to the NHS, then?

Lucylastic -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:52:57 PM)
Im wondering where he puls that figure from 70 % of course you have an excellent cite for that dont you gov finance figures have that at LESS THAN HALF

Moonhead -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 1:54:01 PM)
It's a ludicrous figure. Maybe he's added a nought?

Lucylastic -> RE: Sen. Rand Paul: Right To Health Care Like Believing In Slavery (5/13/2011 2:00:37 PM)
I think hes looked in the mirror and realised how rutabagarish he looks right now. so hes a little bitter and twisted and Im bad at economics, LMFAO

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