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Moonhead -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 11:54:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: Since when is a patent's health restricted only to performing medical exams and dispensing pills? Who hasn't been prodded by a doctor to lose weight to avoid diabetes? Or to stop smoking to avoid emphysema? Or lay off the fatty foods to avoid heart attacks? Being overweight has been proven to cause diabetes, smoking has been proved to cause emphysema and fatty foods lead to heart attack. Just being in the house with a gun doesn't cause anything, unless of course you are allergic to lead and suck on the bullets. See the difference? Maybe it's just me being a Euroweenie pantywaist who believes in the absolute rule of government appointed bodies again, but having a gun lying around the house (loaded) where somebody who might have had a really shitty day at school can find it might be considered a potential health hazard as well.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 12:49:35 PM)
quote: Being overweight has been proven to cause diabetes, smoking has been proved to cause emphysema and fatty foods lead to heart attack. Just being in the house with a gun doesn't cause anything, unless of course you are allergic to lead and suck on the bullets. See the difference? Having a bag of sugar or a loaf of bread in the house doesn't cause obesity, diabetes... having a pack of cigarettes doesn't cause emphysema having a McDonald's down the street doesn't cause a heart attack. Yeah, I see the difference. Its not what we have, its what we do with them that cause the problems. Do you see the difference?

thishereboi -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 12:57:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Being overweight has been proven to cause diabetes, smoking has been proved to cause emphysema and fatty foods lead to heart attack. Just being in the house with a gun doesn't cause anything, unless of course you are allergic to lead and suck on the bullets. See the difference? Having a bag of sugar or a loaf of bread in the house doesn't cause obesity, diabetes... having a pack of cigarettes doesn't cause emphysema having a McDonald's down the street doesn't cause a heart attack. Yeah, I see the difference. Its not what we have, its what we do with them that cause the problems. Do you see the difference? Yes, but doctors don't ask if you keep sugar in the house. They ask you how much you eat. Same with cigarettes and fatty foods. I have been asked many times if I smoke or what kinds of foods I eat. I have never been asked what kind of foods I keep in the house. Of course I have never been asked about guns, swimming pools or caustic chemicals so maybe the doctors I go to don't care to ask.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:06:35 PM)
They ask about your diet. A good pediatrician will ask about chemicals... especially when a child gets to crawling age. They will remind you to invest in child locks for cabinets and toilets. They will tell you as they begin to eat to make sure the food items are no larger than the tip of the childs pinky. I cannot BELIEVE a group of adults are trying to demonize a Physician for caring about his patients. The PARENTS are not the patient here, the infant is. If a physician cannot trust the parents to give him the information he requests in relation to the child, then he doesnt need to treat. Guns in that state are legal, according to Dad. What are they so afraid of?

rulemylife -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:27:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They ask about your diet. A good pediatrician will ask about chemicals... especially when a child gets to crawling age. They will remind you to invest in child locks for cabinets and toilets. They will tell you as they begin to eat to make sure the food items are no larger than the tip of the childs pinky. I cannot BELIEVE a group of adults are trying to demonize a Physician for caring about his patients. The PARENTS are not the patient here, the infant is. If a physician cannot trust the parents to give him the information he requests in relation to the child, then he doesnt need to treat. Guns in that state are legal, according to Dad. What are they so afraid of? Where is the line drawn at what a physician may ask? When I have been to a new doctor, dentist, or even an ophthalmologist, I have been asked some amazingly intrusive questions on the initial paperwork that I refused to answer.

angelikaJ -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:34:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They ask about your diet. A good pediatrician will ask about chemicals... especially when a child gets to crawling age. They will remind you to invest in child locks for cabinets and toilets. They will tell you as they begin to eat to make sure the food items are no larger than the tip of the childs pinky. I cannot BELIEVE a group of adults are trying to demonize a Physician for caring about his patients. The PARENTS are not the patient here, the infant is. If a physician cannot trust the parents to give him the information he requests in relation to the child, then he doesnt need to treat. Guns in that state are legal, according to Dad. What are they so afraid of? And the doctor has many other patients who have parents who own guns. My doctor may not ask the specifics of what I have in my cupboards, but she offers me coupons for items that are healthy for someone who has Type II diabetes. We discuss my diet and what I can do to bring my cholesterol down. Tazzy, I don't understand it either. I don't understand why people don't see how gun safety and children is a public safety issue, especially when a kindergarten student took a semi-automatic handgun to school and accidently fired it during lunch period, injuring himself and several classmates. This is not about taking away guns. This is about preventative medicine: the same kind that discusses helmets and pads if your kid skateboards or reminds our teens not to talk on the cell phone when they drive.

angelikaJ -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:37:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl They ask about your diet. A good pediatrician will ask about chemicals... especially when a child gets to crawling age. They will remind you to invest in child locks for cabinets and toilets. They will tell you as they begin to eat to make sure the food items are no larger than the tip of the childs pinky. I cannot BELIEVE a group of adults are trying to demonize a Physician for caring about his patients. The PARENTS are not the patient here, the infant is. If a physician cannot trust the parents to give him the information he requests in relation to the child, then he doesnt need to treat. Guns in that state are legal, according to Dad. What are they so afraid of? Where is the line drawn at what a physician may ask? When I have been to a new doctor, dentist, or even an ophthalmologist, I have been asked some amazingly intrusive questions on the initial paperwork that I refused to answer. You may not understand that we are more than just a bunch of disconnected parts. If you had the proper context to put them in you may discover that those questions were not so strange after all.

rulemylife -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:48:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ You may not understand that we are more than just a bunch of disconnected parts. If you had the proper context to put them in you may discover that those questions were not so strange after all. Nonsense! I have been to doctors whose initial question forms asked my marital status, my occupation, and other things that were not relevant. When I go to a doctor for a sinus infection how is whether I'm single, married, divorced, or separated relevant?

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:53:13 PM)
quote: Where is the line drawn at what a physician may ask? When I have been to a new doctor, dentist, or even an ophthalmologist, I have been asked some amazingly intrusive questions on the initial paperwork that I refused to answer. Did you ask why they were asking such questions? You, being the adult, can refuse to answer what you wish. The Dr then can decide if he wishes to continue the relationship with you because at that point the only one you are hurting if yourself. However, when it comes to children, the relationship is expanded and the Dr has to decide if he can trust the parents to be honest or if he feels his license may be on the line down the road.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 1:57:25 PM)
quote: my marital status Anaphylaxis is definitely a potential complication when going to see a new Doctor and getting a prescription. He should know if you are married and who to contact. quote: my occupation If you come in with a sinus infection (using your example) your occupation may have alot to do with it.

subrob1967 -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 2:37:05 PM)
So a Doctor has the right to forbid firearms in his/her office, and the right to question patients about them, but a Pharmacist doesn't have the right to refuse to sell morning after pills... Two sides of the same coin, if you ask me. God the hypocrisy is getting deep. I had one Doctor ask me if I kept loaded guns in the house, which was a really stupid question to ask, since I was in uniform and carrying my side arm at the time, and I told him it was none of his fucking business. Ask all you want, but don't be surprised when your patient tells you to mind your own fucking business.

rulemylife -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 2:43:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Where is the line drawn at what a physician may ask? When I have been to a new doctor, dentist, or even an ophthalmologist, I have been asked some amazingly intrusive questions on the initial paperwork that I refused to answer. Did you ask why they were asking such questions? You, being the adult, can refuse to answer what you wish. The Dr then can decide if he wishes to continue the relationship with you because at that point the only one you are hurting if yourself. However, when it comes to children, the relationship is expanded and the Dr has to decide if he can trust the parents to be honest or if he feels his license may be on the line down the road. No, the relationship is not expanded. What you are arguing is the doctor has the right to override the parents' decisions. Morally, how do we accept that this great gift of knowing what is right is bestowed on those who managed to graduate medical school? Legally, there have been decisions in both directions but the majority favored the rights of the parents.

angelikaJ -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 2:47:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ You may not understand that we are more than just a bunch of disconnected parts. If you had the proper context to put them in you may discover that those questions were not so strange after all. Nonsense! I have been to doctors whose initial question forms asked my marital status, my occupation, and other things that were not relevant. When I go to a doctor for a sinus infection how is whether I'm single, married, divorced, or separated relevant? Someone's relationship status can have a lot to do with their health as it can have a bearing on their emotional state. Too, it gives the doctor an idea of who the person in front of them is and so it is a person and not just a body. Likewise their occupation may carry it's own inherrent health risks. Dentist and opthamologists btw, can often spot early signs of illness and disease processes that someone who doesn't go to their regular physician very often might be unaware they had. The better doctors treat their patients as people.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 2:48:20 PM)
quote: Pharmacist doesn't have the right to refuse to sell morning after pills Since when doesnt a pharmacist have that right? As much as I looked, I could not find one article that states a Pharmacist MUST dispense that medication. In fact, I have found quite a few that say a pharmacist can refuse to fill birth control pills, but must either pass the prescription back to the patient or hand it off to another pharmacist... even if that means transferring it to another store.

tazzygirl -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 2:49:51 PM)
quote: No, the relationship is not expanded. What you are arguing is the doctor has the right to override the parents' decisions. Morally, how do we accept that this great gift of knowing what is right is bestowed on those who managed to graduate medical school? Legally, there have been decisions in both directions but the majority favored the rights of the parents. And the Dr didn't interfere with the right of the parent. He refused to continue to see the child as his patient. Thats IS his right.

rulemylife -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 3:01:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ You may not understand that we are more than just a bunch of disconnected parts. If you had the proper context to put them in you may discover that those questions were not so strange after all. Nonsense! I have been to doctors whose initial question forms asked my marital status, my occupation, and other things that were not relevant. When I go to a doctor for a sinus infection how is whether I'm single, married, divorced, or separated relevant? Someone's relationship status can have a lot to do with their health as it can have a bearing on their emotional state. Too, it gives the doctor an idea of who the person in front of them is and so it is a person and not just a body. Likewise their occupation may carry it's own inherrent health risks. Dentist and opthamologists btw, can often spot early signs of illness and disease processes that someone who doesn't go to their regular physician very often might be unaware they had. The better doctors treat their patients as people. Who are you trying to kid here? The type of doctor you are talking idealistically about is rare, if non-existent. The reasons those questions are asked is the forms were created by their lawyers to protect them from malpractice suits. I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with quite a few doctors on my parents behalf and I would say optimistically that I had respect for barely 10% of them. So please, don't try to spread the myth of the caring doctor who visits his patients at home and only accepts home-made brownies as payment.

angelikaJ -> RE: Pediatricians and NRA clash over asking patients about firearms (5/15/2011 3:11:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ You may not understand that we are more than just a bunch of disconnected parts. If you had the proper context to put them in you may discover that those questions were not so strange after all. Nonsense! I have been to doctors whose initial question forms asked my marital status, my occupation, and other things that were not relevant. When I go to a doctor for a sinus infection how is whether I'm single, married, divorced, or separated relevant? Someone's relationship status can have a lot to do with their health as it can have a bearing on their emotional state. Too, it gives the doctor an idea of who the person in front of them is and so it is a person and not just a body. Likewise their occupation may carry it's own inherrent health risks. Dentist and opthamologists btw, can often spot early signs of illness and disease processes that someone who doesn't go to their regular physician very often might be unaware they had. The better doctors treat their patients as people. Who are you trying to kid here? The type of doctor you are talking idealistically about is rare, if non-existent. The reasons those questions are asked is the forms were created by their lawyers to protect them from malpractice suits. I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with quite a few doctors on my parents behalf and I would say optimistically that I had respect for barely 10% of them. So please, don't try to spread the myth of the caring doctor who visits his patients at home and only accepts home-made brownies as payment. I, then, am very happy to have my delusions: A doctor who hugged me when she learned I was going to miscarry. The same doctor who insisted I come in to the office after the deaths of both my parents 11 days apart. We have talked about my life when parts of it were unmanageable (job) and when that job was causing stress and the stress was causing health issues. Good, decent and caring doctors do exist.

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