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thishereboi -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 7:27:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Then what is your excuse for your crap and lies
Supreme genius is not a correct answer




Not sure, but I am guessing it has something to do with that missing flap of skin he is always going on about.




Rule -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 7:36:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
what do you think they are afraid she is going to do to them?

She might accuse them of being men?




LafayetteLady -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 7:43:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cpK69

They call them ‘honor killings’; I’d call it pride.

Kim



Yea, as in you are so "proud" of your kid, you kill them. If the spot offends thee, smote it out. Isn't that how it goes?

Pride my ass. It's ignorant and barbaric.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 7:46:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43037255/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

The fuckers are crazy.


Well, this shouldn't bother you too much unless you were planning on marrying your sister.




thishereboi -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 8:01:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
what do you think they are afraid she is going to do to them?

She might accuse them of being men?



And that is something that would scare you? You must spend most of your life being afraid.




tweakabelle -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 8:01:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Again, another man weighs in on the subject.....

Not saying that just because you are a man you are wrong, not saying that at all... but I truly believe that women see this issue much differently because, well, we are women, and if we haven't been privy to abuse just because we are women, we know others who have been. Maybe we see this differently because violence against women is common place from our view. We see it with our friends, our sisters, our daughters, and even ourselves... so, like I said, it is easy to project that it is a problem "over there" because you aren't "in here" (the "in here" being the body of a woman).

And I am far from insinuating that all women feel the same way as I do, just as not all men on this thread agree with you, either


There is some evidence to support your view:

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"The opening poster observed a reprehensible practice that is endemic in most of the Islamic populations. Thanks to him noticing that practice it can be addressed and discussed and perchance ended. If he had failed to alert people it would never have been addressed and discussed let alone be ended as a possible result of the discussion."


It seems implicit in the above quote that, for at least one poster, this could be their first exposure to the topic. Not that that stops him trying to sound like an expert on the issue but that's besides the point perhaps.

Yes, perhaps there is a gender divide happening here. Unsurprisingly, those of us who have long been familiar with the issue, and have had to deal with its horrific consequences take a different view from those who have different histories and little experience of either the problem or its various manifestations. Happily for them, they're personally immune to the consequences of this brutality.

Of course, everyone is entitled to a view but equally, informed measured views carry so much more weight than knee jerk reactions.




domiguy -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 8:22:30 PM)

I am losing patience with you. It has nothing to do with being male.

If the "Death Penalty" law for honor killings is not enforced then it means squat.

It's true that other cultures do enjoy the occasional honor killing as much as Muslims, but this thread is not about them.

It's amazing the lengths that people (women) on this thread have gone to defend this practice....Wow!





juliaoceania -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 8:28:09 PM)

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t's amazing the lengths that people (women) on this thread have gone to defend this practice....Wow!



You think I am defending honor killings?

You have got to be fucking kidding me... seriously???? I do not know what to say, other than you are full of shit and know better. No one on this thread defended that shit, no one




heartcream -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 9:04:03 PM)

I dig the way domi is pointing his finger at a specific horrifying atrocity that needs to stop now. I do agree certain cultures are more lost in 'out there in your face' barbarism than our culture. I think my message and other peepettes is the degree/amount of stuff going on that we need to "Snap the fuck out of" is alllllll over the globe on so many, many levels.

The spirit of the thread I appreciate can be summed up in what domiguy said:

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If we criticize us then we sure as fuck better criticize them.




FirmhandKY -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 9:20:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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t's amazing the lengths that people (women) on this thread have gone to defend this practice....Wow!



You think I am defending honor killings?

You have got to be fucking kidding me... seriously???? I do not know what to say, other than you are full of shit and know better. No one on this thread defended that shit, no one


I think this sums it up pretty well ...

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Thus, on the contrary, by accusing the opening poster of Islamophobia, you are thwarting the addressing and discussion of this reprehensible practice and therefore become yourself an accomplice in all past, present and future such murders.





juliaoceania -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/16/2011 9:30:13 PM)

You are quoting someone who claims that Muslims are genetically inferior... if that is the person you want to associate your views with, that says a lot about you




TreasureKY -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 1:27:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You are quoting someone who claims that Muslims are genetically inferior... if that is the person you want to associate your views with, that says a lot about you


Wow.  Your ability to negatively judge the character of an individual based on their acknowledgment that a broken clock can still be right twice a day, says a lot about you.  [8|]




Rule -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 1:55:48 AM)

It's a cruel and crazy, incomprehensible world that has a Rule in it, isn't it? And yet here I am: an utterly alien, flying spaghetti-monster from outer space.




domiguy -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 2:33:28 AM)

Rule is a supergenius. The Gods named him "Rule" for it's his destiny, some day, to lead all of mankind (including Muslims) towards a brighter future.


I am waiting for your command, oh wise and benevolent leader. Rule's mother was a Muslim...Rule is the first person in history to survive 3 honor killings.




tweakabelle -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 3:53:07 AM)

Here's a recent article from UK paper The Guardian on the topic of 'honour killings'

"At least 900 so-called honour killings take place in three Indian states – Punjab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh – every year, according to research to be released published next week. A large number go unreported as families try to pass them off as natural deaths. Honour killing in the south and east of India is rare.

The UN Population Fund estimates around 5,000 women die in this way every year worldwide, the vast majority in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.

According to one recent study, – 172 incidents and 230 honour-killing victims worldwide – the average age of those killed is 23. In the UK, 10 to 12 women are killed for this reason every year

In March this year, a Haryana court sentenced five people to death for murdering a couple on the orders of a "khap panchayat", a traditional unofficial local council. Among the guilty were the girl's brother and cousins.

Last week, the Indian supreme court demanded an explanation of what steps national and state governments had taken to protect young couples. The government has promised new legislation in the next few weeks."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/25/honour-killings-india

For people who wish to acquaint themselves with the facts, this is a website devoted to stopping 'honour killings'. It may come as a surprise to some to see that India (>80% Hindu), and the two adjoining countries, Pakistan and Bangla Desh (both >90% Muslim) share the dubious distinction of being at the centre of the 'honour killings' world.

If you are really about stopping 'honour killings', and this information doesn't cause you to question the OP's focus on one religion as the alleged cause of this horror, I really don't know what will. But please feel free to check out the website and find out for yourself.




cpK69 -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 5:02:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Yea, as in you are so "proud" of your kid, you kill them. If the spot offends thee, smote it out. Isn't that how it goes?

Pride my ass. It's ignorant and barbaric.


If they had done what their parents (mothers in this case) wanted them to do, they would not be dead, and their parents would be proud; so, yes, pride. Because they didn’t follow the path their parents put out before them, the parents believe they have been shamed. It is arrogant pride to think, as a parent, it is their path to choose.

Is it ignorant, sure, but ignorance alone does not cause a person to act in such a way; the belief they have a right to, does.

Barbaric; how else would pride act against offense?

Kim




LafayetteLady -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 6:31:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Address what?  That there are terrible fucked up people who do awful things all over the world and no group has a monopoly on it?



Bingo.... we have a winner!


A winner? You really think you have proven something here? You have proven that sick people exist within every race, within every ethnic group. The sarcasm of others' comments go completely unnoticed as you try and fail to point out the obvious: Evil exists within all walks of life.

Reality, for those who actuallly look at such silly things as reality is that assholes exists in every ethnic group, for every reason

So for the sake of reality (to the greater wide world), why don't you try to actually explain what point you think you think you trying to make to the world, instead of this childish gueessing.




thishereboi -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 6:49:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Address what?  That there are terrible fucked up people who do awful things all over the world and no group has a monopoly on it?



Bingo.... we have a winner!


A winner? You really think you have proven something here? You have proven that sick people exist within every race, within every ethnic group. The sarcasm of others' comments go completely unnoticed as you try and fail to point out the obvious: Evil exists within all walks of life.

Reality, for those who actuallly look at such silly things as reality is that assholes exists in every ethnic group, for every reason

So for the sake of reality (to the greater wide world), why don't you try to actually explain what point you think you think you trying to make to the world, instead of this childish gueessing.


Which is what flcouple said and julia agreed with. If you already understood that, why are you asking what the point was?




juliaoceania -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 7:14:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Rule is a supergenius. The Gods named him "Rule" for it's his destiny, some day, to lead all of mankind (including Muslims) towards a brighter future.


I am waiting for your command, oh wise and benevolent leader. Rule's mother was a Muslim...Rule is the first person in history to survive 3 honor killings.



While getting three circumcisions..




domiguy -> RE: I do not want to have a Muslim mother. (5/17/2011 9:44:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Here's a recent article from UK paper The Guardian on the topic of 'honour killings'

"...It may come as a surprise to some to see that India (>80% Hindu), and the two adjoining countries, Pakistan and Bangla Desh (both >90% Muslim) share the dubious distinction of being at the centre of the 'honour killings' world.

If you are really about stopping 'honour killings', and this information doesn't cause you to question the OP's focus on one religion as the alleged cause of this horror, I really don't know what will. But please feel free to check out the website and find out for yourself.


And yet the two women from India, which is 80% Hindu, were in fact Muslims.

So one would than have to check what percentage of honor killings that transpire in India can be attributed to the 20% of Muslims which make up the population...My guess, way more than 20% of the honor killings lay at the feet of Indian Muslims. waaaaaay more.

Nice try tweaker. Come back when you have something meaningful to offer to the conversation.

Or better yet, start your own thread and you can feel free to discuss all of the fucked up shit that Hindus partake in.




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