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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 7:46:22 PM   
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Sanity,

I will try to ask you a question sincerely...

Do you think the IMF is a socialist organization?

Do you think it is a socialistic position to favor free market trade and economic policies favoring deregulation?

If you can answer these questions honestly, how can you begin to suggest that a free marketeer like this guy is a "socialist" in the way we in the United States typically think of it?

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 7:53:11 PM   
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Look at this thread title:


Is Newt Gingrich an out of control alcoholic or oxycontin abuser?

Now look at this one:

IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges

Conservatives write about facts, while Leftists concern themselves with ad hominem attacks, obfuscations, derails...

You obsess over the craziest spin. "A socialist isnt a socialist because there are different flavors of socialists, and he is a French Socialist..."

Which I suppose we are supposed to take that as meaning that in America he would be somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh?

No... the French are further left... despite your spin!

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 7:54:47 PM   
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I asked you a question, and still no answer.....



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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 7:59:34 PM   
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I try not to associate with Fox watchers.... they seemed programmed to me


That's pretty much evident in terms of what you have to say online.

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 7:59:42 PM   
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You engage in personal attacks julia, if it is your wish that I show you some respect you must show me a certain amount of respect. I cant take your questions seriously at this point because of the depth to which you have lowered yourself in this thread






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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:02:19 PM   
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You engage in personal attacks julia, if it is your wish that I show you some respect you must show me a certain amount of respect. I cant take your questions seriously at this point because of the depth to which you have lowered yourself in this thread








In other words you either can't answer because you do not know, or you will not answer because it undercuts the reason why you started this thread in the first place.... I would say this is lowering yourself, but it is your usual BS

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:10:01 PM   
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No other words julia.

Its not the strawman you construct, it is exactly as I wrote.


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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:12:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

In other words you either can't answer because you do not know, or you will not answer because it undercuts the reason why you started this thread in the first place.... I would say this is lowering yourself, but it is your usual BS



Now that's a tough one to pick. IMHO the options are spot on but the choice is difficult.

Does Sanity not know the answer? Or:
Is Sanity aware the answer contradicts his point (such as it is)?

Both options are equally plausible. And julia's conclusion is self evident.



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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:17:04 PM   
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As fascinating as I am, lets try to focus the topic instead...

quote:

As a top IMF official, Mr. Strauss-Kahn has diplomatic immunity only on official fund business. He was in New York on private business, an IMF official said. The potential sentence Mr. Strauss-Kahn could face if convicted will depend on the number and specific type of charges filed against him.

Police said a 32-year-old cleaning woman accused Mr. Strauss-Kahn of sexually assaulting her in the Sofitel Hotel near Times Square. The alleged victim, a native of Guinea and mother of two, said she entered room 2806, a $3,000-a-night luxury suite, around 12 p.m. on Saturday to clean it, thinking it was empty, according to a law-enforcement official with knowledge of the case.

According to the narrative she gave investigators, Mr. Strauss-Kahn emerged from the bathroom nude and approached her from behind and touched her breast, then threw her on to the bed, the official said.


She told police she broke free but was then pushed into a rear hallway of the suite near the bathroom. Mr. Strauss-Kahn allegedly caught up with her and sexually assaulted her, the official said, before allowing her to leave.



The bastard wont get off on diplomatic immunity at least


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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:29:15 PM   
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Well be pissed off at the French Socialist party, your rage at me is misdirected in this case



It does seem that the French Socialists figure he's a high-power asset (or was). Perhaps all the offended leftists need to take another look at exactly what they have been supporting?

Oh wait. According to Ted Rall (shamelessly plugging another thread here ), dissent and questions from inside the left vill NOT be tolerated.

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:32:37 PM   
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Heh heh heh heh heh....

Plug away Rich, I can see the relation (and therefore how it is on topic) very clearly... 



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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:40:46 PM   
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Sanity, good luck. Socialism does not mean anything at all.

They are all afraid to define it.

It gets the Trolls to go nuts.

It's hillarious.

They define Socialism in the most bizzare terms. Only "tweu" Socialists can be called Socialists. excepet when they want to declare themselves in the center, then Mao and Stalin are "socialists".

Did you wiki Social Anarchism? Its fucking hillarious.

They are ticks living off of the Capitalist Economy. While pretending they are superior.

Not a Word about their precisous Obama Torturing suspects.

Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, a WikiLeaks volunteer, compared the treatment to what happened inside the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Juan E. Mendez, a United Nations Special Rapporteur on torture, submitted an inquiry about Manning to the U.S. State Department around January 2011, and in April accused the government of prevarication in response to his request for an unmonitored meeting with Manning, saying he was deeply disappointed and frustrated.[36] Amnesty International issued a complaint to the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and asked the British government to intervene on the grounds that Manning is a British national by descent through his Welsh mother. The British Embassy in Washington expressed concern to the State Department in March; Manning's case was raised in the British parliament by Labour MP Ann Clwyd.


In April, 295 American legal scholars signed a letter published in the New York Review of Books objecting to the conditions of Manning's detention. Signatories included Bruce Ackerman of Yale Law School, Yochai Benkler of Harvard Law School, and Laurence Tribe, also of Harvard; Tribe taught constitutional law to Barack Obama and worked until the beginning of 2011 as an adviser in the Justice Department. The letter said the conditions of the detention were a violation of the U.S. Constitution, specifically the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, and the Fifth Amendment's guarantee against punishment without trial, and that if the conditions continue they may amount to a violation of the criminal statute against torture: "procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality."[4]

This shit is all common kowledge, but they don't care.

there is not an ounce of principle in the whole bunch of em.

a few made weak protests but shut up to get along.



Silence is consent.

Not one of em had a comment on the Ted Rall thread.


The OBL thing is not working out near as well as they hoped either. That will be for a later thread or two (or 500).

Here's a preview of a small one,

" Obama was deeply involved in every phase of the planning, right? So that means Obama approved the racist celebration of Genocide of code naming him after an American Indian Leader? Or was not involved in that part of planning it? The part where they talked about it?!?! How deep was his involvement if he didn't even know what it was called?"


Which is going to cause a troll frenzy of epic poprtions, It's gonna be funny.






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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:48:10 PM   
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Hmmmm .... What does Obama have to do with this thread? Just curious? And what do those of us posting on this thread about socialism have to do with Obama? I am not an Obama supporter

Tell me, are all conservatives the same? Don't you folk have factions... for example, tell me, what does RINO mean?

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 8:51:34 PM   
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This is a thread about a French Socialist Leader who has been arrested...

Despite your hysterical, lust induced rant against Sanity.

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 9:08:53 PM   
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I was responding to your post, if you did not want to derail the thread, perhaps you shouldn't have posted that drivel about socialism

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 10:13:49 PM   
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Guess what kids: Germany, Denmark, France, Sweden, The Netherlands, and a few other modern developed countries are socialist countries. With market economies. Meaning, economies based on capitalism.





Now that I have completely freaked out the twits who think they know what socialism is and the dire consequences thereof ...

The economic system and the governmental/social system are two different things. Not one thing; not two diametrically opposed and antithetical things; just two different systems in a country/society.

In the countries spoken of, it doesn't matter which party has the majority in the law making assemblies or how conservative or not the chancellor or premier or prime minister is, it is a socialist country. The party in power affects the level or degree of socialism, but not the system as a whole.

Likewise, it doesn't matter if the US prez is a bona fide socialist or not, the US is light years away from being anything near a socialist country.


The record shows that a market economy can work quite well in a socialist country, if we look at the pertinent economic data. One thing that helps is that those countries have a much better handle on keeping corporate employees and lobbyists out of the government itself.

I don't know how much that has to do with socialism or not, but it sure has a heck of a lot to do with good sense.










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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/16/2011 10:42:02 PM   
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Personally I don't see what difference a criminals political affiliation makes. The mans job and political stature makes the case interesting, or at least surprising anyway.

He may not be a socialist in the IMF...I really don't know but his political party I think would be considered socialistic in the US anyway. At least by reading their party platform I would say that.

But again why does this matter?

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/17/2011 1:22:13 AM   
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The economic system and the governmental/social system are two different things.



Actually, in my haste I misspoke there. The government is in fact involved with the economic system by way of regulation and by monetary policy. The better the regulation (not 'more,' not 'less,' just better regulation), the less instability to the markets. 

I wonder if better regulation would work in less or non-socialist countries too?

I wonder if we'll ever find out?


But back to the OP:


If someone had actually done what the this guy is accused of, I find it curious that such person in that circumstance would want to call back to the scene of the crime to retrieve his cell phone.

I'm sure there will be more curious items in the coming days.







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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/17/2011 4:18:16 AM   
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Smells fishy. It could be just a standard procedure to replace the man. The maid will be likely to commit suicide soon because of emotional trauma. 





Conspiracy theories are the talk in France today.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/05/17/2011-05-17_talk_of_conspiracy_surfaces_in_a_rattled_france.html

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RE: IMF Chief Arrested On Rape Charges - 5/17/2011 7:00:55 AM   
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The record shows that a market economy can work quite well in a socialist country, if we look at the pertinent economic data. One thing that helps is that those countries have a much better handle on keeping corporate employees and lobbyists out of the government itself.


Unregulated free markets and neoliberal economic policies are NOT socialistic in nature

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