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Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 4:49:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The strongest case for a link comes from children with regressive autism -- children who seem to be developing normally, but who then lose the social and language skills they had developed and slide into autism. To parents, such children seem to have been the victims of some environmental toxin. As this regression occurs at the same time children receive multiple vaccines, many wonder whether vaccines might carry such a toxin.



yeh its lets see how much mercury we can use as a solvent in the vaccines.  Then lets put a bunch of campuses to work studying it, maybe we will get off the hook!

~Pfizor




Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 4:50:47 PM)

nm then [:)] [8D]




tazzygirl -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 5:11:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

nm then [:)] [8D]


Can you explain the continuing rise in autism numbers even with the absence of Thimerosal?

I can, in part, if you are seriously interested.




Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 5:22:27 PM)

yeh I am interested in daymn near everything imaginable but we should really start another thread or hit me on the private side.




tazzygirl -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 5:45:07 PM)

Sent, R0




juliaoceania -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 9:19:18 PM)

I was contemplating this thread today, and I remembered something that really says it all....

The Babel fish" said The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:


"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.


Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his bestselling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God.




Kirata -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 10:01:11 PM)


Reminds me of the old favorite: Can God create a stone so heavy he can't lift it? If the answer is yes, then obviously he's not omnipotent. And if the answer is no, then he's obviously not omnipotent. Therefore God is not omnipotent. QED.

There remains, of course, the detail that a God who could bring into existence a stone he couldn't lift could also bring into existence the strength to lift it. And that wraps that one up. Onward to angels and pinheads (no pun intended... heh).

K.




Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/21/2011 11:09:56 PM)

way back in neanderthal times I asked a couple people here a couple questions.

God as a "thing"?
God as a "person"?




farglebargle -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 1:44:54 AM)

G-d Exists

G-d is the Creator of Everything

G-d is Neither Male nor Female

G-d is Omnipresent

G-d is Omnipotent

G-d is Omniscient

G-d is Eternal

G-d transcends time.

G-d is Both Just and Merciful

G-d is Holy and Perfect

Avinu Malkeinu: G-d is our Father and our King




Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 8:44:14 AM)

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G-d Exists


that definition left by itself that would suggest God as a "thing" since existence can be reduced to "things", so there would need to be more to that definition if that is not what God is.

This goes to ancient definitions again unfortunately and that puts certain posters panties in a twist now days, to bad so sad.

That is to say one should know my next question is what "thing" then is God?








tazzygirl -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 10:11:34 AM)

Ideas exist... yet they arent things.




juliaoceania -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 10:17:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Ideas exist... yet they arent things.



Most of us would not consider people to be things either




tazzygirl -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 11:11:44 AM)

Actually, we are all wrong...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thing




juliaoceania -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 11:14:08 AM)

That word can be used in many ways...

So perhaps we were all right?




Moonhead -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 1:50:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The strongest case for a link comes from children with regressive autism -- children who seem to be developing normally, but who then lose the social and language skills they had developed and slide into autism. To parents, such children seem to have been the victims of some environmental toxin. As this regression occurs at the same time children receive multiple vaccines, many wonder whether vaccines might carry such a toxin.



yeh its lets see how much mercury we can use as a solvent in the vaccines.  Then lets put a bunch of campuses to work studying it, maybe we will get off the hook!

~Pfizor


This has any bearing at all on a physicist's opinion about the existence (or otherwise) of ceiling cat how?




Kirata -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 1:59:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

This has any bearing at all on a physicist's opinion about the existence (or otherwise) of ceiling cat how?

On the other hand, a knowledge of physics qualifies one to hold intelligent opinions about consciousness how? [:D]

K.




Moonhead -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 2:08:16 PM)

Fair point. [;)]
I was just pointing out that there's been an escalation in this thread from "I think Hawking is full of shit" to "the entire scientific community is full of shit, and none of them know what they're talking about", which a few wing nuts (for want of a better word) seem to think they can substantiate by trotting a load of thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory drivel about vaccines causing autism. I'm surprised we haven't had any bleating about the fake global warming conspiracy, either.
Then the people coming out with that have the barss necked gall to accuse anybody else of being closeminded? Wtf?




eihwaz -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/22/2011 9:09:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
a load of thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory drivel about vaccines causing autism. I'm surprised we haven't had any bleating about the fake global warming conspiracy...

Vaccines cause scientists to believe in global warming.  The autism link hasn't been established.[8|]





Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/23/2011 4:34:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eihwaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
a load of thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory drivel about vaccines causing autism. I'm surprised we haven't had any bleating about the fake global warming conspiracy...

Vaccines cause scientists to believe in global warming.  The autism link hasn't been established.[8|]





REALLY?    by whom?

cite it please






Real0ne -> RE: Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story (5/23/2011 4:37:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Fair point. [;)]
I was just pointing out that there's been an escalation in this thread from "I think Hawking is full of shit" to "the entire scientific community is full of shit, and none of them know what they're talking about", which a few wing nuts (for want of a better word) seem to think they can substantiate by trotting a load of thoroughly debunked conspiracy theory drivel about vaccines causing autism. I'm surprised we haven't had any bleating about the fake global warming conspiracy, either.
Then the people coming out with that have the barss necked gall to accuse anybody else of being closeminded? Wtf?


well when people start talking about mathematical constructs as tangible that becomes worrysome.




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