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poise -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 7:11:27 AM)

I have never paused the scenarios that often play out in my mind to wonder if my
secret thoughts are ethical or not, and I have no intention of doing so in the future.
My imagination isn't harming anyone.




mnottertail -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 7:12:20 AM)

oooooooooooooooooo, shit, sorry about gobbing one on you there, on the screen.




poise -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 7:23:18 AM)

Have no fear, I have a screen saver. [;)]


*clean up on aisle 5!*




mnottertail -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 7:23:59 AM)

I just thought given the title of this thread, you should know. 




heartcream -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 7:25:58 AM)

The thing with sex, I feel, taking the time and consciousness to notice allllll the thoughts and feelings, not only the good ones is a great thing. If it bothers one to imagine another person, take the time to go into that as well if possible. Because another would not, or finds that laughable is not necessarily the right answer either. If someone thinks their thoughts do have an effect out in the world, I would say they are not wrong. I have heard that if one thinks angry violent thoughts about another, for instance, that somewhere out in the world that will happen to someone although not necessarily the one it is thought/imagined about.

I think it is cool that some folks are looking a bit deeper, realizing the power of the mind etc. I personally would say it is not wrong but it is healthy to make room for and look at all that is going on, not only the pleasant/hot stuff.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 8:33:47 AM)

Put it this way, if objectifying somebody without them knowing about it, nor consenting to it is a sin! I'm going to Hell a million times over. My soul is crispy crittered.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 8:37:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: poise
I have never paused the scenarios that often play out in my mind to wonder if my
secret thoughts are ethical or not, and I have no intention of doing so in the future.
My imagination isn't harming anyone.

The rewind repeats with modification (yummy).




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 8:41:08 AM)

What's really interesting is if or when you tell them about it! That you've been using them in your imagination, masturbating over it and tell them straight up how much you'd love to use them. Outting yourself to go after what you've been thinking it. :-)




poise -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 10:31:48 AM)

Peeks in to read Whiplashs' posts.
Saunters back out, singing a fine tune.




DesFIP -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 11:34:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

The thing with sex, I feel, taking the time and consciousness to notice allllll the thoughts and feelings, not only the good ones is a great thing. If it bothers one to imagine another person, take the time to go into that as well if possible. Because another would not, or finds that laughable is not necessarily the right answer either. If someone thinks their thoughts do have an effect out in the world, I would say they are not wrong. I have heard that if one thinks angry violent thoughts about another, for instance, that somewhere out in the world that will happen to someone although not necessarily the one it is thought/imagined about.

I think it is cool that some folks are looking a bit deeper, realizing the power of the mind etc. I personally would say it is not wrong but it is healthy to make room for and look at all that is going on, not only the pleasant/hot stuff.


And this is why I think it's wrong. Not that you imagining something about an actress will make her be attacked as in your imagination. No, I think the people we hurt when we do this is ourselves. By objectifying others, we get in the habit of doing so and this separates us from humanity.

And men who do a lot of this, like men who watch a lot of porn, are men who become less socially competent and less likely of ever getting to happen in reality what they dream of. Karma comes back to bite us all on the ass, sooner or later.




TheCabal -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 2:30:15 PM)

Hmmm...  yes.  That can go either VERY well, or VERY badly.  Mostly depending on whether or not the other person has also been sexually objectifying you without saying so. Sometimes these things go both ways.   




TheCabal -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 2:32:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Vast difference to somebody jerking off on the phone while talking to another person, that's a direct involvement and not consensual, the shoe salesman enjoys his job and does his job, the phone jerk is a freaking idiot who's too cheap to call a sex hotline, a bit like a peeping tom with binoculars who might argue "If my neighbour doesn't see me, I'm not doing any harm..."


Edited to snip the quote, it was too long


Oh I donno...  the peeping tom with binoculars might argue "If my neighbor's blinds are up, he must be an exhibitionist."  And he'd probably be right. 




heartcream -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 2:55:59 PM)

I am not saying any of this is right or wrong, that sounds too much to say, what do I know? I deal with myself and try to be real and honest about that. I am not sure what is what with all of this but I do feel being inclusive of aspects coming up is better than only going with what yanks ma chain.




TheCabal -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 3:08:22 PM)

quote:

And men who do a lot of this, like men who watch a lot of porn, are men who become less socially competent and less likely of ever getting to happen in reality what they dream of. Karma comes back to bite us all on the ass, sooner or later.


Wow... there it is again...  the notion that this specifically applies to men.  And the second biggest problem with karma, is the arrogance needed in deciding who it applies to...  the first problem, of course, is that it's a myth.




DesFIP -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 6:42:15 PM)

Men are more visual than women, so men are more likely to do this.

Whether you believe in karma or a balance or just reaping what you sow is unimportant. We're talking about reducing other people to things, to denying their humanity. If it's okay to do so sexually, then why isn't it okay to do so because of their religion or skin color? Why isn't it okay to murder them? After all, they're not people really, they're sub-human things. It's a slippery slope and not one I propose to go down. YMMV.




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 8:04:06 PM)

Too late, I sold my soul some time ago!! I have no problem with objectification! Fishnets, Trashy Hooker clothing, crotchless panties, Garter Belts, make-up, Hair Styles... Hell even Vanilla clothing. Sex Sex Sex and More Sex. Sex Object! Yummy Yummy Yummy! I'll resume higher level brain functions after I've cummed and got off.






MistressRage -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/19/2011 8:34:00 PM)

If you are undressing them with your eyes and they don't know—not a problem.

Asking leading questions and jacking off while on the phone with them—unethical because you are manipulating them.

Jacking off later to the memory of their voice on the phone—no problem!




TheCabal -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/20/2011 2:07:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Men are more visual than women, so men are more likely to do this.


It is time to call bullshit on you.  I might be able to go along with the idea that women tend to be more discreet about this sort of thing, but it's utter nonsense to suggest men are more likely to objectify women than the other way around. 

quote:

Whether you believe in karma or a balance or just reaping what you sow is unimportant. We're talking about reducing other people to things, to denying their humanity. If it's okay to do so sexually, then why isn't it okay to do so because of their religion or skin color? Why isn't it okay to murder them? After all, they're not people really, they're sub-human things. It's a slippery slope and not one I propose to go down. YMMV.


If you've got to go from undressing someone in your mind to murder to make your point, then you've made mine instead.  The slippery slope fallacy is considered a logical error for good reason.  Especially since the slope from mental objectification to murder is probably longer than the slope from 'it's unethical to mentally objectify someone' to prosecuting them for thought crimes. 




sunshinemiss -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/20/2011 5:34:38 AM)

If we're not supposed to sexually objectify someone without them knowing about it, I would like to offer my humble apologies (in person) to the following - do someone set it up:

Alan Rickman
k.d. lang
Olivier Martinez
Chow Yun Fat
Vincent Perez
Dwight Yoakum
Shemar Moore
Joe Montegna
Drunken Tiger
Mandy Patinkin
Tommy Lee
Tommy Lee Jones
JoDee Messina
Lucy Liu
Josh Turner
LL Cool Jay
Raul Julia
Johnny Depp
the hot Latino guy from Off the Map, oh heck all of them on Off the Map
John Denver (shut up)
Michael GreyEyes
Eric Schweig
Queen Latifah
The New Zealand Maori Haka team
Rain

... I'll be back in a few days when I can breathe again so I can put the other 98% of the list on here.

That is all.

sunshine




sunshinemiss -> RE: Is it unethical to sexually objectify someone without them knowing it? (5/20/2011 5:57:05 AM)

Fuck me, I forgot - ALL THE OSMOND BROTHERS!!!!




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