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To have submission forced upon you or to give your subm... - 5/17/2011 2:30:40 PM   
firedogmilwaukee


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Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 2:50:42 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		If it's forced, that means we don't consent. Which makes it kidnapping, does it not?

If you actually meant something else, please explain as your post is bewildering.


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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 2:54:06 PM   
sexyred1


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Status: offline 		You are asking about non-consent vs. consent therefore your question is baffling.

Unless you are asking if, in a consensual manner, some subs wish to feel that their submission is being forced upon them, then yes, that is a dynamic that some have.

Some of us enjoy have a "forced" dynamic at times; it is fun and exciting and others do not like that; they prefer to have a more obedience focused dynamic as well as a myriad of other types all across the spectrum.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 2:57:24 PM   
firedogmilwaukee


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Status: offline 		The perspective of the individual.

The question could be:
Is the water too hot or are you too cold.

The question does not define an action. I only ask how a person prefers to view an event?

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:00:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

The perspective of the individual.

The question could be:
Is the water too hot or are you too cold.

The question does not define an action. I only ask how a person prefers to view an event?




I am not into deciphering questions posed by other people that seem to be riddles, not questions....

If you cannot clarify I will just have to read everyone else's random guesses as to what you mean

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:04:53 PM   
firedogmilwaukee


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I only ask how a person prefers to view an event?

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee



I think what you mean is either:

a)  Consent (at each use)

or

b)  Consensual Non-Consent






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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:11:44 PM   
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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:20:58 PM   
firedogmilwaukee


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a)  Consent (at each use)

or

b)  Consensual Non-Consent



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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:25:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

Answer as honestly as you can.

Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.





Christina Abernathy who wrote "erotic slavehood" defines submissions as "The consensual exchange of power."

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:29:00 PM   
aromanholiday


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Status: offline 		"To have submission forced upon you or to give your submission freely?"

It would depend on how well I knew the enforcer. If I knew them well, admired or more than admired them, trusted their competency, and so on, I'd strongly prefer force. If I did not know the person well, I would not want either choice initially. I'd want to get to know them, and then make a different choice: to continue or not continue with them. If I chose to continue, I'd again favor force, assuming I had a choice (meaning that some dominants would not want to impose force, and if this person was one of them, I could not choose it).


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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:30:31 PM   
LillyBoPeep


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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

Refusing to truly clarify a vague question...

We have a TRUE dominant here, ladies!



oh my yes!


anyway, to the question  -- if you're talking about true lack of consent, then yeah, not so much.
if you're talking consensual non-consent, where both parties have agreed that the s-type no longer has to expressly agree, then sure. lots of people do that.
there are all sorts of dynamics that people enjoy.

consensual non-consent can be very rewarding. many people combine all sorts of things into their own unique dynamic; elements of "cnc," force, obedience, etc etc.


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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 3:40:19 PM   
domiguy


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I see promise in this, upstart, Firedog. Dude I like your pics, they are kind of goofy especially the one where you are staring at the chick with the nose thingy.

Obviously a woman has to relinquish control and then you go from there.

But goddam right, you fucking take it and you take that shit hard!!! No namby pamby excuses.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 4:06:26 PM   
needlesandpins


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i actually understood the question to mean; after you have both worked out your boundaries and concent, do you want the way things go to feel as though you are giving everything freely, or having it taken from you.

for me, when i'm that way out i want to feel as though it's taken, demanded and forced. it's taken us quite a while to get to that, but it's getting there quick now on both sides and feels great.

if i've got the meaning wrong so be it.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 4:15:46 PM   
BonesFromAsh


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ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee
I only ask how a person prefers to view an event?


From a comfortable seat.

I don't enjoy having to force my way through a crowd in order to view the event without any obstruction.

Of course, it would depend on what the event is.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 4:25:33 PM   
Buzzzz


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Status: offline 		there is nothing quiet like consual non-consent.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 4:46:07 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		well since I don't do casual bdsm and only am interested in relationships and ones where he has total control, my submission is just there and he does what he wants with it. I only give consent once..after that he does what he wants. If I don't like it I can leave or stay...so this whole forced thing is null and void for me.



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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 5:22:56 PM   
HannahLynHeather


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The perspective of the individual.

The question could be:
Is the water too hot or are you too cold.

The question does not define an action. I only ask how a person prefers to view an event?
what the fuck do you think you are, some confucian wise ass? if you can't ask a straight question and then come up with this twat twaddle by way of clarification, don't expect a straight answer. as to forced or not forced (assuming that is what you asked) its both, i took heather, i made her mine. did she consent? yes, she stayed, that's all the consent i needed. there was no negotiations, i gave her the money to go home and informed her how it would be if she stayed. she still has the travel money.

if your clarification gibberish is actually your question, then the water is just right, that's why there's a hot and cold tap, so you can adjust it to your liking, and me...i'm too hot for a puppy like you.

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It can't be truly forced, I submit, I can decide at any time to leave. In my case, submission was sort of forced on me. It was forced on me by Hanners being Hanners, I'd never felt submissive to anybody before, and I don't really have submissive feelings for anybody but Hanners. Her requiring my submission awoke a need in me to submit to her. I didn't really have any choice.

I know its not a very clear answer, but what Hanners said about expecting a straight answer is true.

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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 5:26:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

Answer as honestly as you can.

Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.




Honestly, I think its 510


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RE: To have submission forced upon you or to give your ... - 5/17/2011 5:34:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: firedogmilwaukee

Answer as honestly as you can.

Seeing as its a personal question, I expect people on both sides to answer.



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