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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:21:19 PM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		keep in mind that the corporations have destroyed the mom and pop small businesses by and large due tho their greater leverage that used to once upon a time be highly taxed but not even thought about now days.

Then the corporations are directly government controlled and hence the guv controls you by "proxy". 

You would have had a much better change of landing that job with 1000 mom and pop shops than with 3 walmarts, each being directly under the state and federal thumb.




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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:22:33 PM   
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it ain't all about me, in other words
well actually your post said exactly the opposite. it is all about you. declining property values ugly neighbourhoods, increased crime...all about how it affects you. you want the government to do "something" to protect you from the consequences of reality.

i on the other hand maintain that is has nothing to do with me, its none of my business, just as if i am unemployed, its my problem and not yours.

hannah lynn




Actually, I do not own a house..... so declining property values would be a boon for me, seeing as I want to buy one in a couple of years. So, no, it is not all about me

My point was to appeal to your sense of self preservation, because (perhaps wrongly) I assumed that is where you were coming from... you look after you, so others should do the same, right? I am pointing out that by looking out for others, you are also looking out for number one in many ways... but hey, if you think living in a stinkhole environment is worth the trade off of being a rugged individualist, that is your right. I just do not agree with you.



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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:23:27 PM   
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keep in mind that the corporations have destroyed the mom and pop small businesses by and large
sorry but that just isn't so, at least not in canada. there is no shortage of 'mom and pop" small businesses.

hannah lynn


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:25:41 PM   
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yet we can help people all over the damn world?
ok, this is the 2nd time you have used this lame reasoning, and you ignored my previous question...lets see if you do it again.

why do you feel obliged to help people all over the world? why is it your responsibility or mine to insure they survive?

hannah lynn



when there were churches people used to give alms. 

now the churches are are all corporatized as well 501.3.c


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:26:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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keep in mind that the corporations have destroyed the mom and pop small businesses by and large
sorry but that just isn't so, at least not in canada. there is no shortage of 'mom and pop" small businesses.

hannah lynn




Things are different in the USA in many ways...

What is unemployment there?

I also wonder, do you know that being unemployed here means losing your health insurance in many cases? Canadians at least do not have that burden to face if they lose their jobs.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:27:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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yet we can help people all over the damn world?
ok, this is the 2nd time you have used this lame reasoning, and you ignored my previous question...lets see if you do it again.

why do you feel obliged to help people all over the world? why is it your responsibility or mine to insure they survive?

hannah lynn



Lame reasoning? I started this post to read the responses that people would type out.
You seem to be in attack mode, and I didn't see your previous question, so no need to get your panties in a bunch.

If you are not aware of the billions that the United States gives to countries all over the world, my lame reasoning ass could say you are ignorant.

Congress Q & A on foreign aid-2011

< Message edited by Marini -- 5/17/2011 10:44:16 PM >

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:28:03 PM   
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but hey, if you think living in a stinkhole environment is worth the trade off of being a rugged individualist, that is your right.
you move. i mean this is ridiculous, you want some major government program with obscene spending with concomitant taxation (or deficit financing) which will just cause further harm to the economy so that you can live in a nice neighbourhood? if the uncut grass next door bugs you get off your ass and cut it.

look, i agree it sucks. the economy sucks and its hard times all over, but it isn't your responsibility to feed, clothe, or house me. its mine, and nobody else's.

hannah lynn


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:30:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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keep in mind that the corporations have destroyed the mom and pop small businesses by and large
sorry but that just isn't so, at least not in canada. there is no shortage of 'mom and pop" small businesses.

hannah lynn



I am not saying that there are not a lot here too.  There are. the issue is that there should be literally ALL mom and pop businesses!

More people would actually understand what this guv is doing to them if there were and of course the guv does not want that.

Hell we are just lower canada.

Conglomerates should be abolished altogether, corporations should be taxed off the planet and all trusts completely wiped out.

Imagine that?  The queen would have to come clean withg how much money she really has instead of like the guv claiming they are broke when its all buried in trust funds scattered all over creation  LOL


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:32:14 PM   
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What is unemployment there?
as of may 6, 2011 its 7'6%

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I also wonder, do you know that being unemployed here means losing your health insurance in many cases? Canadians at least do not have that burden to face if they lose their jobs.
i don't use the provincial health care system. so i always have no health insurance.




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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:32:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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keep in mind that the corporations have destroyed the mom and pop small businesses by and large
sorry but that just isn't so, at least not in canada. there is no shortage of 'mom and pop" small businesses.

hannah lynn




Things are different in the USA in many ways...

What is unemployment there?

I also wonder, do you know that being unemployed here means losing your health insurance in many cases? Canadians at least do not have that burden to face if they lose their jobs.


You have a point there.  In some ways its almost better living under the queen than the middleman executive administration.


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:33:03 PM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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but hey, if you think living in a stinkhole environment is worth the trade off of being a rugged individualist, that is your right.
you move. i mean this is ridiculous, you want some major government program with obscene spending with concomitant taxation (or deficit financing) which will just cause further harm to the economy so that you can live in a nice neighbourhood? if the uncut grass next door bugs you get off your ass and cut it.

look, i agree it sucks. the economy sucks and its hard times all over, but it isn't your responsibility to feed, clothe, or house me. its mine, and nobody else's.

hannah lynn




So, lets all let things get to where they look like a Dickens novel.... sorry, I would rather pay higher taxes. I would like to think we have progressed past Bleak House, or Nickolas Nickleby

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:36:08 PM   
HannahLynHeather


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Status: offline 		yes lame reasoning...
we should not do A
we should not do B
but we are doing A, so we have to do B.

you still ducked the questions:
1. why do you feel obliged to help people all over the world?
2. why is it your responsibility or mine to insure they survive?

hannah lynn


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:38:25 PM   
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I would rather pay higher taxes.
then you are going to be a very happy girl in the coming years.

look, the reason i am opposed to any government intervention is because i am opposed to government period.

hannah lynn

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:39:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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What is unemployment there?
as of may 6, 2011 its 7'6%

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I also wonder, do you know that being unemployed here means losing your health insurance in many cases? Canadians at least do not have that burden to face if they lose their jobs.
i don't use the provincial health care system. so i always have no health insurance.






Our unemployment is 15%, that is not including those who have stopped being counted in the stats. In my city there is 20% unemployment.

Have you heard of our Great Depression? I do not know how bad it got in Canada....but it was a horrible time for people. The only thing that is stopping us from having roaming hobos, etc, is the safety net, as meager as it is....

Like I said, you don't wanna taxes "for others" well there is always becoming a hermit or something... fine. I want to live in a community of people that solves problems together....

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:42:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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We can help people all over the world
why? they are responsible for their own lives as well.

hannah lynn



Here is the question!!
Hannah, we give BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid yearly.
Here is a list by country, it may be off a few dollars here and there, but probably not much.

Congress/ question and answer foreign aid

Look at the bottom of the page and see the numbers that were given to Congress 2/7/2011

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:44:36 PM   
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I want to live in a community of people that solves problems together....
so do i. i just don't want to be coerced into it. when i buy groceries i always buy at least $40 worth of non-perishables to put in the food bank donation box. 5% of my pay every 2 weeks goes to a local woman's shelter. i do my part to help because i want to. i just don't think it is a collective responsibility is all.

hannah lynn


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:46:21 PM   
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Here is the question!!
Hannah, we give BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid yearly.
Here is a list by country, it may be off a few dollars here and there, but probably not much.
ok, fine. why do you give out those billions? do you feel it is your responsibility to do so?

hannah lynn


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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:48:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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We can help people all over the world
why? they are responsible for their own lives as well.

hannah lynn



Here is the question!!
Hannah, we give BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid yearly.
Here is a list by country, it may be off a few dollars here and there, but probably not much.

Congress/ question and answer foreign aid

Look at the bottom of the page and see the numbers that were given to Congress 2/7/2011


imperialist empires that control the printing presses can do that.

you are watching it all crumble today before your very eyes.

If you think this is bad imagine what would have happened if saddam hussien was actually able to deploy his WMD's prematurely!




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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/17/2011 10:51:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cold blooded, Mari? I suppose thats a big step up from other things I've been called lately, but the answer is not an eternal stream of handouts, that become an entitlement, that become a way of life.

What you are asking about, I don't think are legitmate functions for our government, nor the choices that preserve a free society.

What, for example, happens with the guaranteed job of an alcoholic who won't stop drinking, no matter how many times we send him to rehab? What happens to the morale of guys who have to deal with him at work all day, and wonder why they are bothering to get up on time?



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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 4:55:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Should employment be a "right" for all American citizens that want to work?
no

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Should the government be responsible for making sure jobs are "created" somehow for everyone that wants to work and seeks employment?
no

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With "real" unemployment around 15% what type government assistance beyond unemployment be available for the long term unemployed?
none

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Are we our brothers keeper? If so, what should be done to help those that have been seeking employment for a long period of time, and have not secured employment in the United States?
no, and therefore, nothing

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My ex-husband was unemployment for about 8 months, and was not eligible for any assistance beyond unemployment, because he did not have any minor dependents.

He was seriously in dire straits, because he could not find any program that could assist him, with no dependents.
gee that sucks, but that's what mcjobs are for.
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In this day of budget cutting, and trying to do more with less, what should we be doing to help the growing number of the LONG TERM unemployed and those seriously underemployed that are working part-time but seek full time employment?
nothing

quote:

Or should this group of people just eat cake?
i guess, but its really up to them to find a way to make a living, not anybody else.

hannah lynn



Another fine example of compassionate conservatism.

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