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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:01:40 AM

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The worst thing about the long term unemployed is their demographic...

They are often men over the age of 50, which means they are not eligible for social security, a little old to be training for a new career, and are often the victim of age discrimination. MickyDs isn't going to hire these men. They are often over qualified for any sort of joe-job that they try for, and there is usually some young hungry person who they are going against to land these jobs.

For many of these men, it means living off the savings they had for their retirement and selling off assets, leaving them with little for when they actually DO reach old age they will not be able to retire because they used it all up.

Uhhhhh..............where exactly did you find all this fascinating information?

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:08:20 AM

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I would disagree with you...

Joe Schmoe gets laid off from his 90k a year job. He can't find a job that supports his mortgage and his family's medical insurance, food, electric, or little Susie's braces. Poor Joe has his house foreclosed on. Well, that is unfortunate if it is only one Joe... but when it is an entire neighborhood of Joes, and you live on the same block with them... suddenly it became YOUR problem as well... there went the property values in your neighborhood. My brother had this happen in his neighborhood recently, and let me tell you, it was disgusting... vacant homes with thigh high grass outside, broken windows, graffiti, and I am talking about a suburb here...

We live in a community of people, and I just feel differently than you.... my neighbor's problems can easily become my problems... because unfortunately, things like teen crime, gang violence, derelict neighborhoods, reduction of services because the economy in an area has dried up... these things have a way of creeping into everyone's life.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:09:41 AM

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I would love an economy that was capable of creating the kinds of jobs that were prevalent in the sixties and seventies.We don't have it.

Part of the ultimate solution IMO would have been for housing prices to drop to the point where jobs didn't need to be high paid. TARP prevented that by propping up RE prices and preventing a major devaluation.

We DO have employment for all. Anyone at their option can start up a sole prop relatively easily. I've had two business fail under me though... making a business successful is much harder than starting it. As opposed to pushing getting jobs, I'd like to see efforts to making starting a business more attractive.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:11:01 AM

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well its not an exhaustive list, it was just meant to demonstrate that people who say they are desperate really aren't. if they were they'd do one of the things on the list or something similar. too often when people say they can't find a job what they really mean is they can only find shitty, unpleasant, or demeaning jobs. in other words they would rather stay unemployed than do the work that's available. that attitude is fucked. you do what you have to.

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Yeah, there you go.

If you can't find a job just sell drugs or turn tricks.

Did someone change the name of this board to the Insanity Forum?

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:14:08 AM

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This has got to be the most difficult time for many people, especially given how less skilled labor force is at a loss. #0, 40s, 50s, I think they will all become increasingly desperate about findind a way to support themselves, and their families.

My heart goes out to them.
My personal opinion, is that we are in a downward slide financially, if we don't bring back some of our manufacturing, and put our people to work. M

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:33:30 AM

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I would love an economy that was capable of creating the kinds of jobs that were prevalent in the sixties and seventies.We don't have it.

Part of the ultimate solution IMO would have been for housing prices to drop to the point where jobs didn't need to be high paid. TARP prevented that by propping up RE prices and preventing a major devaluation.

We DO have employment for all. Anyone at their option can start up a sole prop relatively easily. I've had two business fail under me though... making a business successful is much harder than starting it. As opposed to pushing getting jobs, I'd like to see efforts to making starting a business more attractive.

I don't mean this to be rude DS, but no matter what I say it will come out that way.

I can't think of any other way to ask it.

Are you blaming the failure of your businesses on the government?

And as far as the propping up of real estate prices, come down to Florida.

Houses and condos that were selling for $200k to $300k are now selling for $50k to $75k.

And that's not an exaggeration, I can send you the listings and the prices the homes were originally purchased for.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:39:30 AM

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Say we give people jobs who dont deserve it, addicts and such. Then we give them a minimum wage...

By default that makes everyone around them worth less by however much the worthless ones are being paid.

The dollar would be devalued, because we would just be giving dollars away... just like it is devalued with welfare. Things do not maintain value when they are free. If they were giving gold away it would become worth less, for example. But they dont just give gold away, so it is worth more.

Same with these jobs for people who are incapable, the jobs would become, or would be worth less.

So, you start with a noble idea and good intentions but drag everyone down to the level of the incapable, and the unwilling.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:39:34 AM

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I am torn on this subject because i don't believe the government has the right to tell businesses who and when to hire. But i also do not think it bodes well for the US when you have people who have good qualifications not finding work that they can utilize their skills but instead those skills are wasted in hole in the wall jobs that pretty much anyone can do. To me, the US should be ashamed that there are 1 million people applying for a job at McDs because a lot of them are this desperate to work becuase they can't find work they are qualified to do.

What does it say for the US as a whole when you have people with good quality skills working at whole in the wall places not being utilized to their fullest potential.

If we stop allowing people to utilize their potential to the fullest because we shrug and say oh well to the fact they can't find jobs to utilize their skills, people will stop caring whether they are utilized to their fullest potential and where will that leave us in the next few generations. We have to compete with countries such as China in this world, we can't afford to shrug off the fact that millions of peopel are out of work and their educations and skills are not being utilized to their fullest potential to benefit themselves and indirectly the US as a whole.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:51:37 AM

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Our unemployment is 15%, that is not including those who have stopped being counted in the stats. In my city there is 20% unemployment.

Its 15.9%, nationally, including those who have stopped looking.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:55:14 AM

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Another fine example of compassionate conservatism.

actually no. i'm not a conservative at all. i'm an anarchist. i oppose government programs because i oppose government.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 5:59:30 AM

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Yeah, there you go.

If you can't find a job just sell drugs or turn tricks.

yes, exactly. you do what you have to. its better than just sitting around whining about how bad things are. get off your ass and do whatever you have to.

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Did someone change the name of this board to the Insanity Forum?

i would guess on august 23, 2004

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:00:05 AM

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A leftist would never let their kids near the water, sure they would drown if they even get near it

An anarchist pushes the kids off the dock and says its sink or swim kiddys

A Conservative pays for swimming lessons out of his own pocket.. while a "Compassionate Conservative" is just another big leftist pandering for the Conservative vote

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Another fine example of compassionate conservatism.
actually no. i'm not a conservative at all. i'm an anarchist. i oppose government programs because i oppose government.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:02:40 AM

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I paid for swimming lessons for my son, Sanity.

So much for that theory.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:05:15 AM

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That would make you a Conservative in the literal world, so congratulations are in order!

Good for you, and good for your kids.

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I paid for swimming lessons for my son, Sanity.

So much for that theory.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:06:22 AM

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Pft.... lol.... Im hardly conservative, Sanity. Im just an overall moderate... something both sides hate.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:07:08 AM

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Say we give people jobs who dont deserve it, addicts and such. Then we give them a minimum wage...

By default that makes everyone around them worth less by however much the worthless ones are being paid.

The dollar would be devalued, because we would just be giving dollars away... just like it is devalued with welfare. Things do not maintain value when they are free. If they were giving gold away it would become worth less, for example. But they dont just give gold away, so it is worth more.

Same with these jobs for people who are incapable, the jobs would become, or would be worth less.

So, you start with a noble idea and good intentions but drag everyone down to the level of the incapable, and the unwilling.

"Addicts and such"?

This is what amazes me about the conservative mentality.

Everyone else but you is lazy, incapable, unwilling to work, and just wants your handouts.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:07:40 AM

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:08:13 AM

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I dont hate moderates taz, I dont hate leftists either. What I hate is the hypocrite and the willfully ignorant.

That sort of person.

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Pft.... lol.... Im hardly conservative, Sanity. Im just an overall moderate... something both sides hate.

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:08:17 AM

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Say we give people jobs who dont deserve it, addicts and such. Then we give them a minimum wage...

So addicts don't deserve a job, huh?

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RE: Is "employment" a right? What should be d... - 5/18/2011 6:09:48 AM

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Practicing addict... I suppose youre pretending that you dont get that.

And no, the ones Ive known, and who I know are utterly incapable

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Say we give people jobs who dont deserve it, addicts and such. Then we give them a minimum wage...

So addicts don't deserve a job, huh?

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