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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 5:11:39 PM   
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Care to share why you continually misrepresent what people have said?


I looked and looked and looked. And eventually I found something that could, at a looooooong stretch, be called 'misrepresentation' by someone who doesn't know what the word 'misrepresentation' means.

I'll leave it to others to decide whether I ought to have said;
"You've made it very clear that you regard women as a modicum more than convenient holes to stick a dick into whenever the need arises".

But no matter how I look at it, this doesn't amount to 'misrepresentation' not even a modicum of it.

Nothing he said remotely could lead to your conclusion without other supporting statements.


Well Willbur, if you can't see that making positive sounding (and utterly fictitious) noises about rape such as: "rape is a reproduction strategy, with a certain degree of success" doesn't count as strong evidence to support my conclusion, I'm going to wonder whether you're struggling with visual problems or problems of comprehension......

...... Or, heaven forbid, your attitude to women is the same as xssve's.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 5:24:34 PM   
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Care to share why you continually misrepresent what people have said?


I looked and looked and looked. And eventually I found something that could, at a looooooong stretch, be called 'misrepresentation' by someone who doesn't know what the word 'misrepresentation' means.

I'll leave it to others to decide whether I ought to have said;
"You've made it very clear that you regard women as a modicum more than convenient holes to stick a dick into whenever the need arises".

But no matter how I look at it, this doesn't amount to 'misrepresentation' not even a modicum of it.

Nothing he said remotely could lead to your conclusion without other supporting statements.


Well Willbur, if you can't see that making positive sounding (and utterly fictitious) noises about rape such as: "rape is a reproduction strategy, with a certain degree of success" doesn't count as strong evidence to support my conclusion, I'm going to wonder whether you're struggling with visual problems or problems of comprehension......

...... Or, heaven forbid, your attitude to women is the same as xssve's.



Since I dont know what his attitude toward women in general is, I cant say whether its the same as mine. There is nothing youve reposted of his that is factually untrue, yet I love (most) women.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 5:42:37 PM   
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It's so tempting to say:'There's nothing wrong with you that getting yourself raped anally won't cure'.

But I can't bring myself to wish that on anyone.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 6:20:58 PM   
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I did a google search for sex slavery in the United States because it is a huge human rights issue that is currently going on here.


You did a sex slavery search in efforts to find further substantiation for your contempt of men, due to one or two bad choices in your own life.

Congratulations on your success there.





Wow, really? In your universe this statement is hateful towards men?

You have a really really twisted worldview if that is the case, just my opinion.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 6:23:24 PM   
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But when the object is to substantiate some women's hostility towards men due to bad past experience, and subsequently glom a much more serious issue in service to that, then pardon if I might smack that down, and no hesitation about it.


I would feel the need to respond to this, but you know what, I have no need to defend myself against you..

You have repeatedly shown a propensity for odd and peculiar thinking

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:02:24 PM   
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But when the object is to substantiate some women's hostility towards men due to bad past experience, and subsequently glom a much more serious issue in service to that, then pardon if I might smack that down, and no hesitation about it.


I would feel the need to respond to this, but you know what, I have no need to defend myself against you..



Nor should you feel that way. Someone else just wasted 4-5 posts in that effort, failed as it was.

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You have repeatedly shown a propensity for odd and peculiar thinking


You have just now come to this realization; is that what you are telling everybody here?





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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:08:03 PM   
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Nor should you feel that way.


You personally attacked me and called me a man hater. You also made assumptions about my past that are untrue. You went for the low road in addressing me. I have no idea why, but that is your issue...

I do not care, because I have something called a life, and the people who know me in my life would never think me a man hater... especially the men that have been in my life who would have occasion to know.

Now, you can choose to go after people on a personal level like you have against me, that is your choice. You are just pixels... in other words you do not matter. If you continue to get personal with me and add nothing to my experience here, I'll just hide you.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:13:35 PM   
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All good and well.

Let's read the subtitle of the OP again and see where you stand on talking down to others in any regard.

I did not attack you personally.

I attacked idiocy.

And if you don't want to own up to it, that's OK too.










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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:25:12 PM   
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This thread was made in response to a thread attacking Muslim men. Now, if you are too stupid to read the entire thread before you understood the context of the title, don't talk down to me about "idiocy"

Thanks in advanced for your cooperation in reading a thread before commenting on it

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:36:40 PM   
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I'm used to others carping on me to "show the link" after I've already spread fifty links all over the place prior to the post in question.

But let's get to the context again of the "why can't -American- men keep it in their pants" theme. Aside from the hubristic idiocy of limiting this to 'American' men, that immediately conveys to all readers the 'fair and balanced' aspect, no?




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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:52:33 PM   
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Perhaps you have no sense of when someone is making a point?

American men are no worse or better than any other group of men. There are some that are nice and some that are not. Just like there are some Muslim men that are nice, and some that are not. This thread was made in response to one about Muslim mothers killing their daughters... some Muslim mothers suck, some are nice.

See a theme developing here? It is wrong to stereotype any group of people... that is the entire point of this thread. Now, if you had read the thread that spawned this one instead of getting your panties in a twist, you might have understood that

Some fucking people are so damn dense

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 8:59:58 PM   
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Now that's progress.

Starting with the theme of "why can't men keep it in their pants"  and then getting to "getting your panties in a twist."

This is real progress here.

Let's give you another ten years, we can actually talk about something.





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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 9:00:59 PM   
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Good bye, you aren't worth my time

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 9:12:54 PM   
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First this:
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rape is a reproduction strategy, with a certain degree of success


then this:

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and for the most part, the  pro/john relationship is not significant different on the face of it than that of a single woman, other than she asks you if you want a "date", and it's a relatively short date, you skip dinner and movie, and you end up at a hotel instead of her house.

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Prostitution is no different, just quicker, they're still women, they still demand a modicum of respect and human feeling, we all need human contact


You've made it very clear that you regard women as little more than convenient holes to stick a dick into whenever the need arises. No doubt you agonise over whether women should ever have been given the vote. Care to share why you hate women so much?
So you want to make it personal? Nothing else to say? How do you get from "human contact" to "convenient holes"? and "hate women". It's quite a leap, I'd love to see a breakdown of how you made that one.

Prostitution isn't my idea, I didn't have a damn thing to do with it, I think you're having a bit of difficulty distinguishing between the symbol and the thing here, your emotional responses are empirically indicative only of the fact you have emotional responses - do you know any prostitutes? Ever talked to one?

Share your experiences, I believe I made it clear mine were anecdotal.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 9:14:19 PM   
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My 2 cents...

You can't choose whether or not you are gonna have prostitution. Its always been here, and always will.

You CAN choose whether or not you want prostitutes in your country to have the legal protections that other citizens and workers have. Or you can say nay to that, choose to have them work under dangerous conditions, be robbed and brutalized by their pimps, and lack decent medical care. You choose the latter by illegalizing prostitution.

Most states in the USA choose the latter. I can only guess this means that those passing the laws have roughly the same feelings towards prostitutes that Jack the Ripper had and want them to have the worst life possible.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 9:16:46 PM   
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My 2 cents...

You can't choose whether or not you are gonna have prostitution. Its always been here, and always will.

You CAN choose whether or not you want prostitutes in your country to have the legal protections that other citizens and workers have. Or you can say nay to that, choose to have them work under dangerous conditions, be robbed and brutalized by their pimps, and lack decent medical care. You choose the latter by illegalizing prostitution.

Most states in the USA choose the latter. I can only guess this means that those passing the laws have roughly the same feelings towards prostitutes that Jack the Ripper had and want them to have the worst life possible.



I agree... if you legalize it you give women a modicum of protection that they would not otherwise have.

I also think law enforcement should be taught to treat prostitutes the same as they would any other woman.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 9:22:17 PM   
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Well Willbur, if you can't see that making positive sounding (and utterly fictitious) noises about rape such as: "rape is a reproduction strategy, with a certain degree of success" doesn't count as strong evidence to support my conclusion, I'm going to wonder whether you're struggling with visual problems or problems of comprehension...
Biologically, that's exactly what it is, as established earlier in the thread - is it or is it not reproductive activity? There's nothing fictional about it, or there would be no need for the right to try to pass laws against terminating those pregnancies - clearly they think of it as a reproduction strategy, mainly because it results in, uh... reproduction.

Because the notion is emotionally abhorrent to you, or me, doesn't make it any less true, opinion is irrelevant to my statement.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 10:08:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

First this:
quote:

rape is a reproduction strategy, with a certain degree of success


then this:

quote:

and for the most part, theĀ  pro/john relationship is not significant different on the face of it than that of a single woman, other than she asks you if you want a "date", and it's a relatively short date, you skip dinner and movie, and you end up at a hotel instead of her house.

and then this:
quote:


Prostitution is no different, just quicker, they're still women, they still demand a modicum of respect and human feeling, we all need human contact


You've made it very clear that you regard women as little more than convenient holes to stick a dick into whenever the need arises. No doubt you agonise over whether women should ever have been given the vote. Care to share why you hate women so much?
So you want to make it personal? Nothing else to say? How do you get from "human contact" to "convenient holes"? and "hate women". It's quite a leap, I'd love to see a breakdown of how you made that one.

Prostitution isn't my idea, I didn't have a damn thing to do with it, I think you're having a bit of difficulty distinguishing between the symbol and the thing here, your emotional responses are empirically indicative only of the fact you have emotional responses - do you know any prostitutes? Ever talked to one?

Share your experiences, I believe I made it clear mine were anecdotal.


Let's start at the beginning.

Rape is not a "success[ful] reproduction strategy". It has very little to do with reproduction - only in those horrible cases where the woman becomes pregnant after being raped are they linked. This might occur in a tiny minority of rapes - whether the number is even statistically significant is unclear. The connection is tenuous. As neither party has planned or seeks the pregnancy how it can be described as a "strategy" is beyond me.

The level of objectification of women required before one can conceive of rape in these terms is frightening. To murmur positive comments about such brutality speaks for itself. The entire notion is truly sick perverse and obscene.

The vast majority of men don't commit rape. A tiny number of women commit rapes. There is nothing inherent in masculinity or male biology that causes rape. So please stop trying to dress this putrid trash up in the language of science - the only 'science' that might be relevant here is the grotesque kind performed by Mengele in the death camps. This is doing an enormous disservice, it is insulting to both males and science.

Rape is crime of violence. Period.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/28/2011 11:13:44 PM   
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Let's start at the beginning.

Rape is not a "success[ful] reproduction strategy". It has very little to do with reproduction - only in those horrible cases where the woman becomes pregnant after being raped are they linked. This might occur in a tiny minority of rapes - whether the number is even statistically significant is unclear. The connection is tenuous. As neither party has planned or seeks the pregnancy how it can be described as a "strategy" is beyond me.

The level of objectification of women required before one can conceive of rape in these terms is frightening. To murmur positive comments about such brutality speaks for itself. The entire notion is truly sick perverse and obscene.

The vast majority of men don't commit rape. A tiny number of women commit rapes. There is nothing inherent in masculinity or male biology that causes rape. So please stop trying to dress this putrid trash up in the language of science - the only 'science' that might be relevant here is the grotesque kind performed by Mengele in the death camps. This is doing an enormous disservice, it is insulting to both males and science.

Rape is crime of violence. Period.

Pretty speech, but you think a guy that would rape a woman really cares what your opinion of him is? It's sort of implicit that he doesn't give a shit what you think, no?

Does it result in pregnancy or not?

I've seen a lot of violence, a lot fights between men, I can't recall even one that ended in rape - probably happens in prison frequently, but then there are no women there.

It's all sex, people who have sex reproduce, people who reproduce pass on the traits that led them to reproduce, and the trait is passed on exponentially - it's how natural selection works.

If it results in pregnancy, it's a reproduction strategy, regardless of how you feel about it, how violent or horrible it is. Right an wrong have nothing to do with it as a biological strategy, "rape as violence" is a political meme, not a scientific theory - might have something to do with it, but  the emotional states of either rapist or victim have nothing to do with the biology of reproduction in the basic, biological sense - as for planning, when has that ever been an obstacle to reproduction?

Go back and read my previous post in this thread on the subject, I covered all this at length. It's r, not K strategy, and r strategies are all about quantity over quality, it's not the most successful strategy by a long shot, it's a pretty piss poor one, with a few notable exceptions, but it's too stable statistically, across all cultures and demographics, to not have some biological basis.

I don't "condone it" by a long shot, I had a good friend raped and killed, another barely survived, but it happens, acknowledging that is not the same as condoning it - believe me, if they ever let him loose, I'll personally pop his fucking grape as a service to humanity, Jesus can forgive him - but people have been calling it "awful" and worse for centuries, doesn't seem to have been a very effective strategy for curbing it.

If what you're doing isn't working, and then you might consider doing something else - it's hard to fight phantoms, and sacrificing the occasional goat, while it might make you feel better, is not known to be very effective either.

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RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep ... - 6/29/2011 12:16:54 AM   
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Men are the problem in the world.

Let's just eliminate that issue so that society can finally work.

The evidence is indisputable here.




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