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LadyConstanze -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:19:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What is it that makes you think that American men in particular are any better or worse than men of any other nationality in this regard?



I'm sure they are not better or worse than men of other nationalities, only most civilized countries have figured out that having prostitution legalized does resolve a lot of the problem, you can have health checks, can limit it to certain areas (away from schools and residential areas), the women don't need the protection of pimps and can appeal to the police for help when they get roughed up, you are not forcing people into illegality but you can actually collect tax, and you free manpower in the vice department of the police, instead of going after the women, they can check if they had their health checks, are legally in the country, most countries made the experience that women trust those cops a lot more and will tell them if a pimp forces them, countless benefits really. making prostitution illegal is not the solution, as long as somebody is willing to buy (and apparently a lot of guys do) somebody will be willing to sell. I have no issue with it, if a woman wants to do that and doesn't mind, more power to her, wouldn't be my cup of tea but we're all different, only if she is selling the use of her body, then she should also earn the money and not some sleazy pimp.



maybemaybenot -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:30:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Then there are very few actual prostitutes in the United States as many of the street walker variety (and maybe even the call girl variety) are threatened and coerced.

I get your point, you would like to create some sort of difference between someone who is sold into slavery without their consent, and the common tramp at the liquor store, unfortunately, sometimes there isn't much of a difference in the day to day reality.

The fact of the matter is, if a woman has had someone sell access to their pussy in this country they are a second class citizen. And when women like this are beaten and murdered, our law enforcement doesn't work quite as hard to catch the perp as they would if "she didn't ask for it"... it is a hypocrisy in this country that disgusts me


I do see a difference. The prostitute choses her career, along with that career comes a pimp. I would venture to say not many people who become prostitutes are ignorant to the fact that a pimp will soon be upon them. In addiditon a large portion of the street variety prostitutes also have addiction issues, so we are talking about people with impaired judgement and forsight who only see the next high and would risk pretty much anything to get it. That isn't said in a judemental way, but to illustrate a difference.

There is tons of help available for prostitutes to escape their pimps and get out of prostitution. No need to list the resources. There is very little for sex slaves. They generally are from another country, language difficulties, cultural differences, no money, no understanding of America. The slave who I helped rescue was told by her enslavers that the police in America shoot foriegners in the streets if they don't have a pass port, and of course they confiscated hers. She was from a very remote jungle area of a third world country and believed this, she knew no different. It is far more complex and tangled than a woman who choses to become a prostitute.

As for law enforcement. I totally agree with you in regards to garden variety prostitutes. But Sex Slavery is a totally different crime and as such is prosecuted differently and looked at differently by society. Whether that be right or wrong.

mbmbn



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:36:49 AM)

You do realize that a large percentage of prostitutes get into the life when they are under the age of 18, many as young as 13 or 14? How could they know what a "Pimp" is? Many of them often haven't stopped playing with dolls all that long ago[8|]

A Large percentage or prostitutes were the victim of sexual assault in the home, and to quote one prostitute I read in an article several years ago "It is better to have sex with a stranger for money than to have sex with my dad"....You think that shit is consensual? You think children can consent to being prostitutes? I sure as hell don't. Think about it, you can't vote, you can't drink, you can't even smoke or buy a lottery ticket... but you can consent to sell your ass for some bastard who "saved" you from being homeless when you ran away from having good old pops having sex with you.

I think you need to read up on the profile of prostitutes in the United States....seriously




Lucylastic -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:42:48 AM)

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juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:43:30 AM)

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/



maybemaybenot -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:48:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You do realize that a large percentage of prostitutes get into the life when they are under the age of 18, many as young as 13 or 14? How could they know what a "Pimp" is? Many of them often haven't stopped playing with dolls all that long ago[8|]

A Large percentage or prostitutes were the victim of sexual assault in the home, and to quote one prostitute I read in an article several years ago "It is better to have sex with a stranger for money than to have sex with my dad"....You think that shit is consensual? You think children can consent to being prostitutes? I sure as hell don't. Think about it, you can't vote, you can't drink, you can't even smoke or buy a lottery ticket... but you can consent to sell your ass for some bastard who "saved" you from being homeless when you ran away from having good old pops having sex with you.

I think you need to read up on the profile of prostitutes in the United States....seriously







I said a large portion..... and was speaking to that large portion. You said a large portion and speak to that portion. When will you realize that when some one uses one " portion " of a group it does not exclude the other portions. Nowhere did I say that ALL prostitutes are drug addicts.

And ummmm..... what portion of your portion fall into my portion ? One can be a victim of abuse, addicted to drugs and prostituting. It's actually not unusual in the prostitute world, if you read up on your profiles.

mbmbn

ETA : My neice knew what a pimp was at 14, maybe she is the odd one. But I think with all the references to pimps in Rap Music and slang talk, most kids have a decent idea of what it is. Pimp and varietions on the word are pretty popular with todays youth.



mnottertail -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:50:15 AM)

We are gonna need a Venn diagrammer in here....



Rule -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:50:54 AM)

So start a refuge convent. Provide for jobs within the convent and they need never see a man again. Plus when registered as a church, you probably do not have to pay taxes.



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 9:50:57 AM)

The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). Most of these 13 or 14 year old girls were recruited or coerced into prostitution. Others were "traditional wives" without job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and went into prostitution to support themselves and their children. (Denise Gamache and Evelina Giobbe, Prostitution: Oppression Disguised as Liberation, National Coalition against Domestic Violence, 1990)

Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes," Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133; C. Bagley and L Young, 1987, "Juvenile Prostitution and child sexual abuse: a controlled study," Canadian Journal of Community Mental Health, Vol 6: 5-26.)

http://www.rapeis.org/activism/prostitution/prostitutionfacts.html




LadyConstanze -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:03:00 AM)

julia, you might want to check out this link as well

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/prostitution.htm



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:05:07 AM)

Thanks for the link!

I am one of the few women I know that is for legalizing prostitution. It just seems to be the only way to protect women that are involved with the profession. There is no legal recourse for women in this life... if it were legal, they could report abuses, etc.




tazzygirl -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:07:04 AM)

Im all for legalizing it as well. Those women work for that money... and if you ever had sex with a man you didnt want, you know what I mean by work. Health benefits, retirement, hell, they should be unionized.



BKSir -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:09:46 AM)

I agree Julia. Not to mention the taxation purposes, health safety both physical and mental when properly regulated, as well as with proper regulation, being able to keep a far closer eye on the age problem. It just makes sense from a practical standpoint to legalize it.



LadyConstanze -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:11:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Thanks for the link!

I am one of the few women I know that is for legalizing prostitution. It just seems to be the only way to protect women that are involved with the profession. There is no legal recourse for women in this life... if it were legal, they could report abuses, etc.




That is exactly the way most European countries (as far as I know Australia and Canada as well) handle the issue, if you are not forced to be underground, the police can then go after pimps and guys who force women into prostitution, the women can report crimes and don't need pimps for protection anymore.

What I always find puzzling is that porn stars are stars in the US, yet your average escort has to worry about being arrested - what's the bloody difference? Both have sex for money, just one of them has a camera rolling so that makes it alright? Smacks of being slightly screwed up...



Lucylastic -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:13:11 AM)

Me too, for many reasons



Aylee -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:13:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Thanks for the link!

I am one of the few women I know that is for legalizing prostitution. It just seems to be the only way to protect women that are involved with the profession. There is no legal recourse for women in this life... if it were legal, they could report abuses, etc.




I do not disagree that prostitution should be legalized. However, have you looked at the females in the Nevada counties where it IS legal?

They may not have "pimps" but they do have husbands and boyfriends that are insisting that they increase their earnings. They may not beat them up. . . but their living conditions and strictures are rather draconian. Overall, you still have women being controlled by men.

It is really not the simple solution.



juliaoceania -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:19:22 AM)

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It is really not the simple solution.


Most social problems have no simple solution.... but there are some steps that can to help remediate them



tazzygirl -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:20:59 AM)

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They may not have "pimps" but they do have husbands and boyfriends that are insisting that they increase their earnings. They may not beat them up. . . but their living conditions and strictures are rather draconian. Overall, you still have women being controlled by men.


Having it legal nationwide would take care of many of the "homegrown" problems. These women would no longer be trapped between the relationship and their work.



BKSir -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:23:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Thanks for the link!

I am one of the few women I know that is for legalizing prostitution. It just seems to be the only way to protect women that are involved with the profession. There is no legal recourse for women in this life... if it were legal, they could report abuses, etc.




I do not disagree that prostitution should be legalized. However, have you looked at the females in the Nevada counties where it IS legal?

They may not have "pimps" but they do have husbands and boyfriends that are insisting that they increase their earnings. They may not beat them up. . . but their living conditions and strictures are rather draconian. Overall, you still have women being controlled by men.

It is really not the simple solution.


However, here we seem to be just looking at the female side. Legalize it for males as well. Why not? Seriously, I can't think of too many guys who would be opposed to going to work, having sex all day and getting paid for it, as opposed to fired for it. ;)



LadyConstanze -> RE: Sex Slavery in The US: Why can't American Men Keep it in their Pants? (5/18/2011 10:24:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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They may not have "pimps" but they do have husbands and boyfriends that are insisting that they increase their earnings. They may not beat them up. . . but their living conditions and strictures are rather draconian. Overall, you still have women being controlled by men.


Having it legal nationwide would take care of many of the "homegrown" problems. These women would no longer be trapped between the relationship and their work.



Still stigmatized in Europe but if a bf or a husband puts pressure o the woman and gets reported, he's treated like a pimp, in fact it can be a problem for a guy who's not having an income and is living with a woman who earns her money as a prostitute, if he lives of her, she will have to testify she is not pressured in any way, shape or form...

It might not be the ideal solution but a hell lot better than driving them underground and giving pimps total control



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