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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

We could talk about your absurd notion that any human being using an ideology when they are convinced of its rightness (and I that is not intended to be a pun) can do abhorrent things as a result. People justify all sorts of immorality because they are convinced of the "evil" of the other side.

Posts like yours are the first step towards the demonization, dehumanization, and the rationalization that is used to justify inhumanity... all because someone believes differently than you.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Care to fully elaborate on this ?

He's talking about Bill Clintons honorary knighthood. No difference between that knighthood and the one which George Bush and Ronald Reagan received.. so a "shrug, so what" sort of attitude is perfectly acceptable as a response.

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Actually julia...

You are 180 degrees out of phase

Its leftists such as yourself who routinely dehumanize your political foes

(Who was the Chimp-In-Chief)

For some time now Ive been pointing out (very effectively, and with the help of several leftists here on these boards) how you leftists cannot debate a topic without resorting to ad hominems, which is essentially the debasement of the debate foe

You are in fact resorting to a very nasty sort of an ad hominem attack right here, below

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Sannity, and they denied these crimes as they happened, and justified them for being anti Capitalists after the fact.


Stalin gave the people Universal Health Care after all, just like Castro.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


This is all true, many American leftists have been stooges and apologists for such scourges of mankind

Too many have been, far too many - with their unwavering support for Saddam Hussein being only the latest such example in a long lineup

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
I was wondering how long it would take someone to come out here and call a government servant a LEADER!!!

Dog leads owner! LMAO

Naming them leaders is a statement of fact, you've empowered them to create laws which you must abide by. They are also leaders in the sense that they are setting the agenda by choosing societies priorities. Most normal people thus refer to them as political leaders. There are civil servants and there are political leaders, don't confuse the two.

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class.

Bless your heart, sweet-thing.   I wish I could say it would do any good.  I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. 

With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. 

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

No because they are supposed to represent the consensus of our votes and I believe in democracy not the whims of the individual.

Besides which it's not that I personally view them as leaders, they might not be great leaders but it's just the reality of what they are. These questions almost always turn into a game of semantics.

What's wrong with our government/political system (in the UK at least) is that it is party based where people too often seem to vote for their favourite team; much like they are at a football game supporting a side. It doesn't seem to be about what the individual local candidate represents because as soon as they get into government they are whipped to vote a certain way by the party machine. We had a referendum on AV recently but whatever the voting system it wouldn't have changed the way deals are done in government post manifesto.

I can only point out the problems not the solutions so I'm not really that helpful.

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class.

Bless your heart, sweet-thing.   I wish I could say it would do any good.  I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. 

With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. 

I've concluded there is a serious lack of historical knowledge among those who believe this is something new.

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

While you may not like what President Obama does / doesn't do, your action of calling him names does not harm anyone. It merely makes you look like you have no class.

Bless your heart, sweet-thing.   I wish I could say it would do any good.  I've tried for quite some time to appeal to people's better natures with regard to how they refer to our President. 

With how my pleas have fallen on deaf ears, I've concluded the perpetrators indeed have no class. 

I've concluded there is a serious lack of historical knowledge among those who believe this is something new.

I don't seem to recall anyone here saying this was something new.   

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ORIGINAL: subexploring

Huh? It was the American right -- starting with Reagan -- which offered the support to Saddam Hussein. Do I really have to repost the picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam again?

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The American left just correctly protested the policies which ended up killing hundreds of thousands (possibly a million or more) innocent Iraqi civilians with no security threat to America whatsoever.

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I'd also point out that the American right is directly responsible for Pol Pot coming to power in Cambodia. America overthrew Sihanouk because he wouldn't aid our war in Vietnam -- following the U.S. terror bombing of Cambodian civilians Sihanouk was unable to retain power and Pol Pot replaced him.

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Left wing support for Stalin is inexcusable.

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Castro was better than Batista at first, but rapidly declined into just another dictator.

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Mao, on the other hand, is a really underrated leader, who despite his flaws laid the foundation for the Chinese rise we are seeing today. I think any objective examination of the historical record shows this. His reputation will be pretty firmly established by historians by the end of this century, I would think.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Re-read what you just said.

You want to call them representatives and leaders in the same breath.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Had it not been for American leftists the United States may well have prevailed in the Southeast Asia campaigns, thus denying the leftists there the opportunity to commit all the violence that they did

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I must admit privately I cussed a blue streak over attacking a nation that had not attacked us… and with my vote I did something about it.

But I am long over that anger…it does no good to harp on the past except to make sure it is not forgotten.

Same with people here in CM…I forgive easily and hope I am forgiven as well.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Had it not been for American leftists the United States may well have prevailed in the Southeast Asia campaigns, thus denying the leftists there the opportunity to commit all the violence that they did

I've heard Nixon and Kissinger called a lot of things in my time, but "leftists" is definitely a new one...