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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/22/2011 5:06:40 PM

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Nope samboct did. And when I pointed out his error, you jumped in.

That Regan choose to implement a different policy than Carter is beyond question. It is a solid fact.

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/22/2011 5:38:28 PM

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OK- this is pretty farcical. If anybody is actually interested in Raygun's lack of impact on the Soviet Union's demise, let me suggest Tony Judt's excellent "Postwar" for a reasonably readable economic analysis of what was happening in the FSU and its satellites at the time.

There does seem to be something of a disconnect here. I don't know many liberals that weren't applauding the breakup of the Soviet Union- the fact that it happened on Raygun's watch wasn't seen as significant one way or another. But there does seem to be a whiff of sour grapes in the air with regards to Obama's success at capturing and killing Bin Laden-and some of us might point out that the Arab Spring may have had far more to do with it than Gitmo. Seems to me that our ideals work better than often conservatives seem to give them credit for.

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/22/2011 5:44:49 PM

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Reagan is alive!

He was every cons running mate in the last GOP primary the way he was idolized.

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/23/2011 5:02:59 AM

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If they can't find a better candidate for next year the GOP are going to dig Reagan up and find a ventriloquist to run as his VP nominee...

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/23/2011 7:12:52 AM

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But there does seem to be a whiff of sour grapes in the air with regards to Obama's success at capturing and killing Bin Laden-and some of us might point out that the Arab Spring may have had far more to do with it than Gitmo.

Care to elaborate on that premise a bit? How do you figure the demonstrations and revolts helped put SEALS in his bedroom? I've not heard this suggestion before.

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/23/2011 7:36:20 AM

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Sure- and this is largely my own conjecture, so take it for what it's worth...

Getting Osama relied on some old fashioned police work- i.e. informant- but somebody who had to come forward willingly. This took months because the SEALS came up with a good plan to get Osama and they had to keep an eye peeled on that place for some time. I suspect that the fact that Osama's place was being surveilled was impossible to keep completely secret- some folks living in the neighborhood probably had an inkling. So why wasn't Osama tipped off? Was our security so wonderful? Or did the people who knew Osama was living there just not give a damn about him any more?

Resistance efforts become more effective when the occupying regime is failing. The French sabotage against the Germans in WWII prior to the invasion would have be squashed during 1941-1943. But by 1944 the Germans no longer had the energy or the manpower to keep the lid on all the resistance efforts that were springing up.

Osama probably represented yet another strong man calling for revolution because he wanted power- not Arab freedom. When he was the only game in town, he was popular. When there was competition- which eventually showed as the Arab Spring- he wasn't so popular- and the conditions changed enough for us to nab him without him being tipped off.

So maybe the Arab Spring is just a coincidence- I'll admit I'm reaching here. But Gitmo didn't work....

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RE: Use of insulting names - 5/23/2011 7:47:10 AM

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That Regan choose to implement a different policy than Carter is beyond question. It is a solid fact.

Just a little advice Puppydawg, it's pretty hard to accept that "solid fact" from someone who can't spell Reagan.

There's a wonderful new feature on computers now though, I think it's called spell check.

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