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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 4:34:51 PM   
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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 4:39:33 PM   
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don't bring a pun to an armegeddon of joking.


Ya...something tells otherwise.  By the way...10K worth of guns, isn't a lot of guns, sport.  The Browning Midas Collection is worth a hell of a lot more than 10k for one shotgun.  Anyway, I don't believe your puffery.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 4:51:12 PM   
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Well this is the rub with stupid people with guns.

The bullets don`t give a fuck who discharged them and go wherever they are fired.

Sometimes it`s a foot,sometimes it`s the neighbor`s 6 year old, sleeping in their crib when a stray goes through their nursery room walls.

The NRA types are bent on arming even to most stupid amongst us.

Gun ownership rights should also carry a hefty amount of responsibility with them.

This is the second thread on guns in as many weeks where this same tactic was used.  The "it could have been a child" bit isn't at play here because it wasn't.  Yes, it does happen and those are terrible tragedies, but can we at least save that for when it does happen and not pull that card during every single debate on the matter?


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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 4:54:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Well this is the rub with stupid people with guns.

The bullets don`t give a fuck who discharged them and go wherever they are fired.

Sometimes it`s a foot,sometimes it`s the neighbor`s 6 year old, sleeping in their crib when a stray goes through their nursery room walls.

The NRA types are bent on arming even to most stupid amongst us.

Gun ownership rights should also carry a hefty amount of responsibility with them.

This is the second thread on guns in as many weeks where this same tactic was used.  The "it could have been a child" bit isn't at play here because it wasn't.  Yes, it does happen and those are terrible tragedies, but can we at least save that for when it does happen and not pull that card during every single debate on the matter?




NO...they can't.  Great Post!!!  It is like the idiots who respond to a pro thread about curtailing government spending that people rely on police and fire services or drive on roads.  It's always the same, over-wrought, over emotional arguments that never really say anything.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 6:30:27 PM   
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I never stated the 2nd Amendment refers to an individual right to firearm ownership.



Frankly, Jo, I could not possibly care less what you think the 2nd means. This thread was started on the ridiculous premise that individual gun safety issues are somehow a "flip side" to the Bill of Rights.


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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 6:52:49 PM   
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Another stupid post by someone who doesn't like guns.  Frankly, I don't know why people even respond this crap.  Ok...a guy accidentally shoots himself, another guy accidentally cuts off a few fingers with his table saw and another teenager takes a corner too fast is his brand new car that he got for Christmas and kills himself and three friends.  So what?  Tragedies happen.  You will never convince people like Focus or Joether or any of a number of these people that guns are a tool, they are a great deal of fun, they can save your life and if you are not responsible, they can end it pretty quickly too.  The best way to convince a gun-phobe about how much fun guns are is to take them shooting. I'll take Mnottertail shooting and...hell...I'll even give him a ten second head start. :) 


Yeah, guns are fun. Ever been on the recieving end of them there, lockedaway? Why dont we ask those soldiers of ours over in Iraq and Afghanistan how much 'fun' they have getting shot at by the enemy. Why dont we chat with the families whose children they are burying how much 'fun' guns are to use. I'm sure they'd be more than 'happy' to tell you.

I've fired plenty of guns in my time on this planet. Haven't fired a .44 Mag nor a M-107. I think I would be alittle afraid to fire either. MP5-SD is pretty curious. M1 Grande (spelling?) from WW2 is quite a powerful rifle. I like the USP-40 over the Glock. And wouldn't mind having a P-90 (the military version, not civilian). Have fired a few different variants of the AK series. Would be neat to fire a Dragnov if I found one. MAC-10s are just absurd. How does firing any of these weapons (or lack of firing them) help in dealing witha person about to take their own life with one? They dont. You want to make an arguement that it does?

If guns are a tool, than by that listing, we should remove the 2nd Amendment, because this product, when used correctly.....kills. Or simply state that those arms apply only to "A well regulated militia being necesary to the security of a free state...". The primary purpose of a firearm is to KILL. It has several secondary purposes: A) Hunting, B) Sportsmanship, C) History, D) Self-Defense, E) Media, F) Trading. Compare that with another tool, the motor vehickle, and its primary function is to transport 'one or more persons' or 'some type of cargo' from Point A to Point B. Its secondary functions are (but not limited to): A) Racing, B) Showing Off, C) Killing People, D) Testing, E) Prototyping. Cars are a little hard to conceal, carry, and move around unnoticed.

I never said I dont like guns. Nor have I said I'm against the 2nd Amendment. You just seem to assume a huge amount of information largely based on a tiny set of real world facts and evidence. And even those bits of facts and evidence are further muddled by your own prejudices and narrow point of view.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 7:20:33 PM   
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Yeah, guns are fun. Ever been on the recieving end of them there, lockedaway? Why dont we ask those soldiers of ours over in Iraq and Afghanistan how much 'fun' they have getting shot at by the enemy.


yeh they go zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz pluckt

I mean you dont want to stick you ass up in the air or anything



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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 7:43:57 PM   
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First of all, a deaths per hour argument actually makes cars the more dangerous technology precisely because they're used so much. And that's without even mentioning that it's a seriously flawed statistic to start with, because it fails to take into account the traffic environment in which the car is used, the age and skill of the driver, the condition of the vehicle, and numerous other pertinent variables.


What you dont like, is I'm asking a very different question than your used to. You can't just hit some pro-gun website and 'whip down' the answer. My opinion, is that the final analysis would show firearms, per hour of operation, causes significantly more deaths than motor vehicles in the United States. Its not a flawed arguement, its just an arguement no one has really thought about, let alone tried to calculate. I'm sure the NRA would NEVER try this, and would do its utmost to undermine a study and the individuals on it if there was one.

Why are you so afraid of that answer, Kirata? Would that statistic REALLY matter in the current gun control debate? Given what we know, observe and study? Not really. But it is a curious question all the same is it not?

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 9:02:18 PM   
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Why are you so afraid of that answer, Kirata?

Try to get over this notion that people are frightened by the brilliance of your mind.

K.




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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 10:29:00 PM   
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Well, I think you also have to count all the death and loss attributable to assholes filling people's heads with faux facts that make them afraid of being able to defend themselves.


I agree, it is pointless to add "ACCIDENTS" to any intelligent debate about guns.
Otherwise, we SHOULD fighting tooth and nail about cars... cause those motherfuckers are DANGEROUS

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/23/2011 10:34:32 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		Kids get run over, drown in swimming pools and back in the day, apparently routinely suffocated in abandoned refrigerators.

Why not get killed via gun?

I think that gun ownership is fine. I would like to see more severe penalties for people who are negligent in the caring and handling of their weapons.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 1:13:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Yeah, guns are fun. Ever been on the recieving end of them there,....."

I have, wanna talk about it ? Wanna talk about bleeding into your windpipe down into your lungs ? Wanna talk about not being able to open your mouth big enough to eat a fucking hotdog for six months ? Let's talk.

But here is the point. If I have an enemy they fucking earned that status and I would have no problem putting them through that experience. The only problem is that they probably wouldn't survive it. Oh wait, is that really a problem ?

Get the point ? Killing machines. No home should be without one.

So much for that.

T^T

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 1:49:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
Well this is the rub with stupid people with guns.

The bullets don`t give a fuck who discharged them and go wherever they are fired.

Sometimes it`s a foot,sometimes it`s the neighbor`s 6 year old, sleeping in their crib when a stray goes through their nursery room walls.

The NRA types are bent on arming even to most stupid amongst us.

Gun ownership rights should also carry a hefty amount of responsibility with them.

This is the second thread on guns in as many weeks where this same tactic was used.  The "it could have been a child" bit isn't at play here because it wasn't.  Yes, it does happen and those are terrible tragedies, but can we at least save that for when it does happen and not pull that card during every single debate on the matter?



No, we can't, because it happens far too often and is usually greeted with the same dismissive tone that you are using.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 5:33:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
Well this is the rub with stupid people with guns.

The bullets don`t give a fuck who discharged them and go wherever they are fired.

Sometimes it`s a foot,sometimes it`s the neighbor`s 6 year old, sleeping in their crib when a stray goes through their nursery room walls.

The NRA types are bent on arming even to most stupid amongst us.

Gun ownership rights should also carry a hefty amount of responsibility with them.

This is the second thread on guns in as many weeks where this same tactic was used.  The "it could have been a child" bit isn't at play here because it wasn't.  Yes, it does happen and those are terrible tragedies, but can we at least save that for when it does happen and not pull that card during every single debate on the matter?



No, we can't, because it happens far too often and is usually greeted with the same dismissive tone that you are using.



quit you incessant whining all-fucking-ready

after dismissing every damn thing you either do not agree with or do not understand as a nutjob conspiracy theory

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 5:35:27 AM   
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Kids get run over, drown in swimming pools and back in the day, apparently routinely suffocated in abandoned refrigerators.

Why not get killed via gun?

I think that gun ownership is fine. I would like to see more severe penalties for people who are negligent in the caring and handling of their weapons.


Sums it up nicely.


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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 6:12:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

don't bring a pun to an armegeddon of joking.


Ya...something tells otherwise.  By the way...10K worth of guns, isn't a lot of guns, sport.  The Browning Midas Collection is worth a hell of a lot more than 10k for one shotgun.  Anyway, I don't believe your puffery.



The most expensive one I own is a red ball over and under. what, 900 bucks?  so thats at least a dozen guns.  Anyway, I own more guns than you so your mind thoughts about what the likely outcomes are is sorta horseshit as everything else you come up with.

And this?  This Right Here?

Anyway, I don't believe your puffery.

Imagine how I feel.  Thats about like a twinkie tubboy trying to sell me life coaching, based on their demonstrated intellect.







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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 1:14:29 PM   
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Kids get run over, drown in swimming pools and back in the day, apparently routinely suffocated in abandoned refrigerators.

Why not get killed via gun?

I think that gun ownership is fine. I would like to see more severe penalties for people who are negligent in the caring and handling of their weapons.


Sums it up nicely.




Agreed. If you can and are going to exercise your legal right to own and use firearms be responsible enough to possess and use them in a safe manner. Find a good instructor, get trained, practice, and above all use some good common sense so stories like this stop and we don't all have to keep beating this topic to hell and back time after time.

Will get off soap box now and return to a beloved pastime - knocking soda cans off of landscape ties at 600m.

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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 6:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The NRA types don`t want even the most reasonable gun regs,as exemplified by rich.Then there`s the lunatic fringe`s "we need guns to protect us from "the government"(cue evil music)think David Koresh,Randy Weaver,

I completely agree with Domiguy.

Well put and reasonable and what most Americans want.


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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 7:10:56 PM   
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No, we can't, because it happens far too often and is usually greeted with the same dismissive tone that you are using.


If your position is that I'm being dismissive of a victim that didn't exist in this case, you're right, I am.  There is no child that the stray bullet struck, so it has nothing to do with the article that was posted.  It's an accidental shooting where only the person with the firearm was the person that was harmed.  The "it could have been" doesn't apply here, because it wasn't.

I'll shed tears for real victims.  Not the ones of coulda/shoulda/woulda.


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RE: Man Shoots Self With Own Gun - 5/24/2011 7:22:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The arguement sounds trolly.

Maybe this thread is not for you.

You don`t seem to want to talk about it.


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