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Sanity -> Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:47:20 PM)


After thirty years with Socialists in power... all is not quite as rosy as some might expect

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Socialists Routed in Regional Spanish Voting


MADRID — The governing Socialist Party started the search for a new leader on Monday, a day after suffering its worst results ever in regional and municipal elections.


The Popular Party, the main center-right opposition, won in 11 of the 13 regions where voting took place Sunday. Among the four regions where the Socialists lost control was Castilla-La Mancha, which had been in the hands of the Socialists for three decades, since Spain’s return to democracy. In the municipal elections, the Socialists lost control of two of Spain’s biggest cities, Barcelona and Seville.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/world/europe/24iht-spain24.html



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Spain’s Governing Party Suffers Heavy Losses [image]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/05/23/world/SPAIN/SPAIN-articleLarge.jpg[/image]

MADRID — The governing Socialist Party suffered heavy losses on Sunday in regional and municipal elections, even as tens of thousands of Spaniards calling themselves the “indignant” said they would pursue their protests to force an overhaul of the country’s political system.

Conceding defeat on Sunday night, Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero said that his Socialist Party had been understandably punished by voters for overseeing an economic crisis that had left Spain with a 21 percent jobless rate, more than twice the European average.


“These results are very clearly related to the effects of the economic crisis that we have been suffering for almost three years,” Mr. Zapatero said in a televised address. “Almost two million jobs have been destroyed and I know that a lot of Spaniards are facing serious problems. Today, without a doubt, they have expressed their discomfort.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/world/europe/23spain.html



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Protests: Has the Revolution Come to Spain?


Two political earthquakes have shaken Spanish life in the past week. First were the massive sit-ins that had tens of thousands of citizens camping out in the public squares of major cities in protest of the country's capsized economy and unresponsive political class. The second came Sunday night, May 22, when voters in regional and municipal elections delivered a sound drubbing to the governing Socialist Party (PSOE). Now, in Monday's harsh light, no one seems sure whether the first phenomenon had anything to do with the second. And everyone is wondering what both mean for the future of Spain.

Since May 15, tens of thousands of Spaniards have taken over squares in 60 cities, clamoring for political, economic and social reform. As articulated by the group Real Democracy Now, which helped organize the protests, unemployment (21.3% among the general population; a shocking 40% among youth) is high on the list of complaints. But so too are political corruption (more than 100 candidates in Sunday's elections are currently under judicial investigation), social-welfare cuts and a general sense that elected officials in both of the two main political parties aren't listening to them. "This isn't solely about unemployment or the upcoming election," says Raúl, 29, who works for a marketing agency when he isn't volunteering in Madrid's Puerta del Sol. "We're after a more responsible society."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2073524,00.html#ixzz1NEozHahX







luckydawg -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:50:50 PM)

I am sure they are not "Twue Socialists" and therefore you should be banned for posting this.


Did you catch that the vast majority of Dems in the Senate passed an extension of the Patriot Act at Obama's urging?





Owner59 -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:54:17 PM)

Considering that most EU conservatives and conservative parties are to the left of moderate/bluedog American democrats,it means jack shit.




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:54:55 PM)


I forgot... I am supposed to turn in a lengthy essay detailing every possible shade of pink that Socialist come in if ever I dare mention the word "Socialist"

[:D]

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am sure they are not "Twue Socialists" and therefore you should be banned for posting this.


Did you catch that the vast majority of Dems in the Senate passed an extension of the Patriot Act at Obama's urging?






juliaoceania -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:55:18 PM)

It hasn't been rosy for a long time in the USA.... like right before Obama took office on (deregulation, militarization, neoliberalization... courtesy of the Republican Party, thank you very much).

How soon we forget the mess they left us to clean up




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:57:00 PM)


Exactly you predicted lucky,within less than four minutes too. [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Considering that most EU conservatives and conservative parties are to the left of moderate/bluedog American democrats,it means jack shit.




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 8:58:17 PM)


As if the leftists here have / have had no power at all

Now or previously

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

It hasn't been rosy for a long time in the USA.... like right before Obama took office on (deregulation, militarization, neoliberalization... courtesy of the Republican Party, thank you very much).

How soon we forget the mess they left us to clean up




luckydawg -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:02:36 PM)

the lightweights need to pretend that everything was perfect untill Bush was elected.

Its really kind of funny.


So how much howling do you think we will hear from o59 and julia over Obama pushing the extension of the Patriot Act?

We have already seen they don't care at all about an american citizen (SUSPECT)being kept Naked in a cell and forced to stand naked for inspection in Public. Also being kept awake for over a month.




Owner59 -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:03:51 PM)


The thread isn`t about bush,troll.

How about the fact that they won election after election for the last thirty years?

This is like saying a team that loses one game out of thirty games isn`t doing well.

lol




DomKen -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:11:54 PM)

Spain has been led by the Socialists ever since the new constitution was ratified. I'm guessing 30 years is long enough in power. I do note that the winner was a European style center right party, which would be considered leftists by Sanity. Actually I'm thinking Sanity thinks Franco was a pinko.




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:13:17 PM)


But why isnt Spain a real workers paradise by now  0

Theres the millions unemployed question...

After thirty years, wouldnt you expect results?

Could it be, could it possibly be, that this Socialism business isnt nearly all that its advertised to be?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


The thread isn`t about bush,troll.

How about the fact that they won election after election for the last thirty years?

This is like saying a team that loses one game out of thirty games isn`t doing well.

lol




juliaoceania -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:15:42 PM)

Typical of YOU, sanity (notice I didn't lump all rightists in with you, as I am sure thinking rightists would deeply resent it) to deflect criticism of the march right in this country and how it has crippled us over the last 30 odd years




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:17:26 PM)


The usual, even predicted twisting and spinning of definitions... 

Gotta attack, gotta derail dont you

You just cant stomach the actual topic, can you

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Spain has been led by the Socialists ever since the new constitution was ratified. I'm guessing 30 years is long enough in power. I do note that the winner was a European style center right party, which would be considered leftists by Sanity. Actually I'm thinking Sanity thinks Franco was a pinko.




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:24:39 PM)


Here in the United States we are doing pretty well compared to Spain

DESPITE  rightists sharing power with leftists all these years, julia

A hell of a lot of what is wrong can be laid at the feet of the Socialists and other assorted leftists policies, and the rightists who accommodate them

GW Bush was too far left to fix whats ailing our economy, and he was far too easy on the leftists whose well intentioned but woefully misguided policies harm our economy and our productivity as well

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Typical of YOU, sanity (notice I didn't lump all rightists in with you, as I am sure thinking rightists would deeply resent it) to deflect criticism of the march right in this country and how it has crippled us over the last 30 odd years




Owner59 -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:24:58 PM)

You neo-cons fucked the world/global economy when you fucked ours.

Thanx for that.

Did you know that Spains cons support government payed health-care?

Glad to see you`re finally seeing the light.

lol




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:35:57 PM)


We "fucked" the worlds economy how. By wanting to build factories, mine things, recover energy resources, build power plants, harvest timber?

Or maybe youre thinking of the way Barney Frank practically single handedly crashed the housing and financial markets...

Only problem with that is that Frank is and has been a Democrat for his entire political career


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

You neo-cons fucked the world/global economy when you fucked ours.

Thanx for that.

Did you know that Spains cons support government payed health-care?

Glad to see you`re finally seeing the light.

lol




Owner59 -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:39:07 PM)

Right,Barney Frank did it....

lol




tazzygirl -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:42:40 PM)

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Did you know that Spains cons support government payed health-care?


It doesnt just support it, its mandated by their constitution.

There is free universal health care in Spain, in fact it’s mandated by the constitution to be provided by the government. According to the WHO, Spain’s healthcare is ranked 7th in the World, yet ranks 24th overall in cost per person (lower rank is better). For comparison purposes, know that the UK ranks 18th in healthcare effectiveness and 26th in costs per capita; the US healthcare system ranks 37th and 1st(!) respectively.

http://www.spainexpat.com/spain/information/healthcare_and_insurance_in_spain/




Sanity -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:43:47 PM)


They dont care about the extension of the Patriot Act now

They dont care about torture, or Iraq or Afghanistan or even that new war.

They dont care why the economy really collapsed or if its faltering now, they dont care if energy prices are too high to sustain the supposed economic recovery... 

They dont care about lengthy ultra extravagant vacations or if GITMO is still open...

None of that is important NOW

Because everything is rosy!

[:)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

the lightweights need to pretend that everything was perfect untill Bush was elected.

Its really kind of funny.


So how much howling do you think we will hear from o59 and julia over Obama pushing the extension of the Patriot Act?

We have already seen they don't care at all about an american citizen (SUSPECT)being kept Naked in a cell and forced to stand naked for inspection in Public. Also being kept awake for over a month.




tazzygirl -> RE: Spains Socialists Routed (5/23/2011 9:49:00 PM)

quote:

They dont care about the extension of the Patriot Act now


Are you saying you are against it?




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