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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 11:09:14 AM   
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"Ass" is so subjective.

Or subjected if I had my hands on it.

I say this from a place of love.


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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 11:22:05 AM   
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Hahaha you're so needy.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 11:23:42 AM   
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Hahaha you're so needy.

Lol

That song is funny as hell. Dontcha think.


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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 11:31:58 AM   
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I don't have the first problem with a female being needy. It just means I get to show, often, how much I really care. That to me is love..never missing an opportunity to let someone know what they mean to you.

I don't know about her fella but I appreciate things like that.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 11:53:22 AM   
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I don't have the first problem with a female being needy. It just means I get to show, often, how much I really care. That to me is love..never missing an opportunity to let someone know what they mean to you.


There are degrees of neediness. To some it can get overbearing. I have moments of neediness which he is quite attentive to. If I got needy to the point of interfering with our lives I suspect he'd correct that. He teases me about being needy, but says it's not a concern for him (I asked). The thing with the OP is an overall picture that is being drawn, not from this stand-alone post, but from several posts in several threads. Not a BAD picture, but one people might make "sub frenzy" conclusions from.

And yes, that song is hilarious, thank you. It made several co-workers laugh over here lol.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 12:36:40 PM   
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If I got needy to the point of interfering with our lives I suspect he'd correct that.

I guess if I got to a point that I felt it was, I'd surely say something about it. Since my relationships tend to bend toward interdependence. I don't mind so much, i guess. I keep a close eye on what the person is putting which usually tells me what they need in return, emotionally. I've never had anyone that was "severely" needy to the point I had to correct them. That could be interpreted in various ways.

I find that "needy" people wear their hearts on their sleeves, which is easier to read what they need. Usually it's very hard for them to hide what they're thinking and or feeling. Maybe that's just me though and I'm hyper aware of my loved one's..people that I'm really connected to at least.

Edit: Now I know people I tend to stay way from that are "needy" as I see it..The ones who are overly dramatic emotionally. That I guess would be my idea of a bad needy...Not unhappy about the needy part though so just want to make it clear.

Don't need no Drama Lama's, Chaotic Camels, or Emotionally Erratic Elephants stomping through the house.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 2:16:09 PM   
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i really thought that i would find some replies here from subs that are well like minded...


Understood and for what it's worth, I believe the above was an honest response to the dismal negativism you got in response to a perfectly decent question. There's no need to apologize for it unless you are ordered to be polite to everybody no matter how they treat you. But you have to give it some time (a few days at least). There are a lot of different people here. Not all of us are infected with the poision that's been shot at you. Those who are not tend to have full lives, are not on here 24/7, so may not get by to respond to you immediately. :)

....
I read further and saw the mis-post comment. I even remarked up on it. My statement above still holds. I am not the least bit impressed with the initial replies to you.

So, back to your original post:

quote:


I have a Master whom i adore....Master has taught me ALOT.....I am collared and enjoy serving my Master...my question is ,i find myself wanting to service master all the time....i guess its neediness....is there any other subs that feel like that?


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I feel exactly the way you do. Under a good master, this feeling never dies, in my experience. If anything, it gets stronger. I'm very experienced with slavery, which typically involves intense service and an intense love of service. I've been doing this for years, and I've never once experienced the so-called sub-frenzy state. I am naturally sober, calm, and careful and take the important things slow, even when I experience the emotional equivalent of finding a great treasure. But once I've verified the "treasure" is real, I always feel what you've described toward my master. And as time passes, it grows stronger. It is neediness, yes, but it's a very fine and laudable neediness. Would that more submissives experienced it. It's an emotion that, in my mind, sets off those with slave potential from those without it. A person needs that sort of passion to become complete chattel. Slavery can be very hard. This emotion, this need to serve someone you have ascertained is great, is the engine that gets you through the harder times. It is necessary to feel this.

I've found it difficult to find a master who wants to own and control me and take my service to the same intense degree that I want to give it. Most dominants I have met shy away from such intensity and need. The ones who do not are pretty rare. But I've run into them before. A handful, over a span of 20 years (to be fair I was "well occupied" during a good number of those years and not specifically looking--so maybe there are more than my personal statistics suggest). I know they exist. With a little luck, I expect I will become enslaved again to one such person in the future.

Even when you find an extremely controlling individual, your counterpart, there will be things that require adjustment on your part. Things that surprise you, things you find hard. One is that your need to serve is always harnessed his way, not yours. He may have you serving him in a manner that you do not expect or maybe even do not like. But if you truly love and need to serve, this is a relatively minor issue. (Word of warning: I have run into imitation dominants too, who say all the right words, strike all the right poses, but who, at heart, really don't want to bother with controlling someone. They take a noticeable lack of interest in your desire to serve and they do not engage it. They call this marked disinterest dominating their way, and for someone who really loves to obey, it can be hard to tell the difference between them and the real thing--but their lack of slow, gradual involvement in your life or taking the reins of control as well as your feeling of being "unused" are dead giveaways.)

Another thing that takes getting used to, and its not something you'd expect if your need to serve is extremely strong, is that some kinds of service will be hard for you. Even if you are most willing and believe you won't have any trouble carrying out any command, there are some that will trip you up. This happens, I think, because we weren't raised to live completely surrendered, we were raised to be competent, independent people, and so we have egos (much as we may not like them) and pride and lots of other urges and tendencies that work against good service. Dealing with those is something every submissive who truly needs to serve faces. It's not very pleasant to realize how much of an ego you still have and to see the many tricky ways it manifests itself. :( But with each such challenge you encounter and overcome, you feel happier and happier, more devoted to your master...and, in my experience at least, wanting to serve him, more and more.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 2:40:06 PM   
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This holds true for some submissives but not all. There is a certain balance of things in most relationships. Everything is rather different from relationship to relationship.

This is not a problem with being needy provided it does not impose upon the needs and wants of your Dominant partner. However, if your Dominant partners hardly ever notices you are there...then this is a different story.

Being of service at times, may require involve you performing tasks or duties on your own that have be given to you. Personally, if I had somebody extremely needy that was up my ass to the point it interfered with things I was trying to accomplish or get it done... I would be finding them other things to do, if I did not require their services in assisting me with what I was involved with.

Having somebody stand around simply watching me do, waiting and waiting for me to complete or finish what I'm doing. Well... I think you should get the idea here.




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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 4:41:06 PM   
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It probably is Bang... I bought it for the boy.. makes me crazy when she wears it...



highly recommend it

as to the OP ... for 1.5 years... and I think this is the second of your posts I've read.. you sound a bit new... perhaps you and your Master should get out a bit and be around other similar or like-minded folks if you're not already? It might help... you can talk face toface.. maybe go to some munches.. meetings or discussion groups?


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Fuck the reasons why. I wanna know what kind of cologne the OP's dom wears...cuz that's stuffs gotta be banging!




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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 4:51:43 PM   
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Fuck the reasons why. I wanna know what kind of cologne the OP's dom wears...cuz that's stuffs gotta be banging!


I bet it's Hugo Boss. Or maybe something more subtle, like Perry Ellis.
takes a deep inhale.....ahhhhhh


In this case, sounds like Calvin Klein Obsession.

After reading the OP's profile, they are seeking another woman. So perhaps she wants to share the neediness with another?

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 4:54:15 PM   
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Understood and for what it's worth, I believe the above was an honest response to the dismal negativism you got in response to a perfectly decent question. There's no need to apologize for it unless you are ordered to be polite to everybody no matter how they treat you. But you have to give it some time (a few days at least). There are a lot of different people here. Not all of us are infected with the poision that's been shot at you. Those who are not tend to have full lives, are not on here 24/7, so may not get by to respond to you immediately. :)


I'm looking at the responses to her OP and there was not a single drop of "dismal negativism" prior to her "you're a bunch of meanies" post. Just because there are those of us who don't gush and act like teenagers doesn't mean that there was anything negative or dismal in our responses... nor was there poison. We all responded in very pleasant manner. Where I come from we don't tease unless we are giving the person a chance or unless we like the person.

Your attempts at character assassination will not get you very far in these parts. You may think that some of us don't have "full lives" since we are on the computer so much, but perhaps you don't realize that in fact we do have full lives... we just you know... use the computer more than you do. Perhaps unlike me, for you the computer is NOT your telephone, your shopping mall for day to day items, your work station, your television, your classroom, your radio, your books, your tool for your avocation, your newspaper, and your clock and calendar.

best,
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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 4:58:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aromanholiday

quote:

ORIGINAL: highhopes4us
i really thought that i would find some replies here from subs that are well like minded...


Understood and for what it's worth, I believe the above was an honest response to the dismal negativism you got in response to a perfectly decent question. There's no need to apologize for it unless you are ordered to be polite to everybody no matter how they treat you. But you have to give it some time (a few days at least). There are a lot of different people here. Not all of us are infected with the poision that's been shot at you. Those who are not tend to have full lives, are not on here 24/7, so may not get by to respond to you immediately. :) ....
I read further and saw the mis-post comment. I even remarked up on it. My statement above still holds. I am not the least bit impressed with the initial replies to you.

So, back to your original post:

quote:


I have a Master whom i adore....Master has taught me ALOT.....I am collared and enjoy serving my Master...my question is ,i find myself wanting to service master all the time....i guess its neediness....is there any other subs that feel like that?


(raises hand high...in a fist)

I feel exactly the way you do. Under a good master, this feeling never dies, in my experience. If anything, it gets stronger. I'm very experienced with slavery, which typically involves intense service and an intense love of service. I've been doing this for years, and I've never once experienced the so-called sub-frenzy state. I am naturally sober, calm, and careful and take the important things slow, even when I experience the emotional equivalent of finding a great treasure. But once I've verified the "treasure" is real, I always feel what you've described toward my master. And as time passes, it grows stronger. It is neediness, yes, but it's a very fine and laudable neediness. Would that more submissives experienced it. It's an emotion that, in my mind, sets off those with slave potential from those without it. A person needs that sort of passion to become complete chattel. Slavery can be very hard. This emotion, this need to serve someone you have ascertained is great, is the engine that gets you through the harder times. It is necessary to feel this.

I've found it difficult to find a master who wants to own and control me and take my service to the same intense degree that I want to give it. Most dominants I have met shy away from such intensity and need. The ones who do not are pretty rare. But I've run into them before. A handful, over a span of 20 years (to be fair I was "well occupied" during a good number of those years and not specifically looking--so maybe there are more than my personal statistics suggest). I know they exist. With a little luck, I expect I will become enslaved again to one such person in the future.

Even when you find an extremely controlling individual, your counterpart, there will be things that require adjustment on your part. Things that surprise you, things you find hard. One is that your need to serve is always harnessed his way, not yours. He may have you serving him in a manner that you do not expect or maybe even do not like. But if you truly love and need to serve, this is a relatively minor issue. (Word of warning: I have run into imitation dominants too, who say all the right words, strike all the right poses, but who, at heart, really don't want to bother with controlling someone. They take a noticeable lack of interest in your desire to serve and they do not engage it. They call this marked disinterest dominating their way, and for someone who really loves to obey, it can be hard to tell the difference between them and the real thing--but their lack of slow, gradual involvement in your life or taking the reins of control as well as your feeling of being "unused" are dead giveaways.)

Another thing that takes getting used to, and its not something you'd expect if your need to serve is extremely strong, is that some kinds of service will be hard for you. Even if you are most willing and believe you won't have any trouble carrying out any command, there are some that will trip you up. This happens, I think, because we weren't raised to live completely surrendered, we were raised to be competent, independent people, and so we have egos (much as we may not like them) and pride and lots of other urges and tendencies that work against good service. Dealing with those is something every submissive who truly needs to serve faces. It's not very pleasant to realize how much of an ego you still have and to see the many tricky ways it manifests itself. :( But with each such challenge you encounter and overcome, you feel happier and happier, more devoted to your master...and, in my experience at least, wanting to serve him, more and more.



Jeez, a little dramatic aren't you? Infected with poison?? What thread are you on? I did not read one post where they were being poisonous or mean.

As for the rest of your post, it is has too much One True Submissve Way for me to take the time to comment and it would be a derail.

Edited to say that the erudite and estimable Sunshinemiss beat me to it with her post.

It is always ironic that those who claim no one here has a life seem to be on here the same amount for how else would they know who was online?

Assumptions, they can a bitch.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:02:51 PM   
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Sure, I  for one can feel the love...

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Yes. There is always somebody. I'm sure there's even a t-shirt.



Yep! Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

Then I grew up, got some self-esteem, and got a life.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:03:02 PM   
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Your attempts at character assassination will not get you very far in these parts. You may think that some of us don't have "full lives" since we are on the computer so much, but perhaps you don't realize that in fact we do have full lives... we just you know... use the computer more than you do. Perhaps unlike me, for you the computer is NOT your telephone, your shopping mall for day to day items, your work station, your television, your classroom, your radio, your books, your tool for your avocation, and your clock and calendar.


Oh it's not the first time someone has said posting here a lot equals no life, and it won't be the last.

Posted from my iPhone while waiting for a friend...going to catch the bi-annual Nordstrom's sale and some sushi.

Posting a lot doesn't necessarily mean being home, either.

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:25:02 PM   
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honestly there's a boatload of negativity in some of the earlier posts. "been there, done that, then i got a life" -- how is that not negative? =p if it's really that impossible for the lot of you to see when you're being a bunch of negative nancies, well then no wonder it's so easy!

sheeeeeeeesh!!!

AGAIN, OP -- you are fine how you are. you and your Dom are happy, and that's all that matters. leadership is one of the snazziest minds on this forum, and he's very similar to you. like he said, that's "being in love," and i whole-heartedly agree. with M, i wanted to be around him, serve him, do whatever i could for him 24 hours of the day, 7 days a week. and he wanted me to be there just as much. =p there is NO HARM IN THAT whatsoever, as long as both parties are happy and enjoy it.

so there ya go.
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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:34:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

Sure, I  for one can feel the love...

quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming


quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Yes. There is always somebody. I'm sure there's even a t-shirt.



Yep! Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

Then I grew up, got some self-esteem, and got a life.



You seriously think that is DISMAL and POISONOUS? stay out of the one twue way threads if that's your POV.
sunshine


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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:38:18 PM   
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Geez, and there are people around here who don't think I can't take a joke.  I can't believe that anyone out there but Me got a laugh out of it.  I'm going to put that one in the "over-sensitive" file. 

The problem with the term "needy" is that it is completely subjective.  One person's needy is a perfect fit when mixed with the temperament of another.  In a third case, it's 'not enough'.  It's no different than in the vanilla world when one person wants to be with the other constantly, but their partner might like to have time to themselves every now and again.  The same goes with various displays or occurrences of affection.  If your the type where two or three embraces during the day is sufficient, somebody who wants to cling to you constantly can get on your nerves.  In the reverse, the first person doesn't feel like they are getting 'enough'.

The point that I'm trying to make is the comparison marker of the other individual that you are involved with.  Does the Master in the scenario feel it's needy, lacking, or just right?  As long as it's matching up, that's all that matters.  If it's crossing into the 'you're up My ass too much' territory, it's something that needs to be discussed.  The wants of the two individuals involved isn't meshing in some way. 

As for Me being the only one who saw this in a certain way, was I really the only person who thought it was strange that a term like "sub-frenzy" has never come up after being collared for a year and a half?  I was kind of surprised at that one.


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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:47:27 PM   
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Hi LadyPact -
In my experience, it's not that people don't love each other and get excited about being with their loved one as time passes. It's more like... it's not necessary to shout it from the mountaintops once a relationship meets a certain maturity level. There's a different kind of passion. (There are actually studies on this - it was part of one of my classes.... took a huge chunk of the magic/mystery of love away from me... but that's another thread!) I think sub-frenzy within the context of an actual relationship is kind of odd - in the way I understand the term. I see it as ... I neeeeeeeeeeed to get a little kinky loving... or I'm a die! That may not be the way others see it. But if I'm with someone, I sure hope I don't have sub frenzy... 'cause if I do, The Mayun isn't doing what he needs to do in order to keep me. It's the same sort of thing with sex. I'm I'm desperately in need of getting laid, then we have us a serious relationship problem. And if I'm this gushy gushy verbally about getting laid, then there is again a problem. Am I making sense? Must make another pot of coffee...

When she first posted, I thought they were new in their relationship and therefore figured it was sub-frenzy. I still wonder how long they've been together in real life because it does have the whiff of new, romantic kind of love. (Which is different than sub-frenzy in my understanding).

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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 5:56:45 PM   
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I think it's cute. <shrug>

Master and I have been together for many years now and I still love to serve him whenever I can and many times feel like I'm not doing enough for him. I think when you find that person in your life who you love and adore even many years into the relationship then there's nothing greater than still having that passion and pop for each other.


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RE: sub being needy - 5/25/2011 6:16:48 PM   
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thank you for the reply..I am a lucky subbie....i do enjoy serving Master and always will...

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