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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 9:15:19 AM   
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................, I cannot help but think he was dropped in it by political adversaries, as why hide past misdemeanors. and suddenly allow the latest to appear.

Quite. It would be easy for opponents who knew about his sexual proclivities to arrange for a maid who would protest.

Wikipedia says about his parentage:
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Strauss-Kahn's father was born to an Alsatian Jewish father and a Catholic mother from Lorraine; Strauss-Kahn's mother is from a Sephardic Jewish family in Tunisia


He has an impressive curriculum vitae. I suspect that unlike USA politicians he was simply not as aware that he might be entrapped in this way.



What the heck does his parentage have to do with the facts? A man apparently known to be grabby does it again. He was arrested because oddly enough, in the US we take the charge of rape seriously regardless of who the particular dick is attached to.

He first denies the sex at all and then says she wanted it. Tell me how the previous sentence is any different from your run of the mill rapist?

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 1:00:44 PM   
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Just remember justice is for those that can afford it, for much goes reported that never sees the light of day again, justice therefore is not a universal concept appicable to all.



Absolute nonsense for anyone in the UK to suggest this. Its just another myth not upheld by the facts, as seen by the number of ex MP`s jailed for expenses fraud. If you can back your claim with some evidence I will be highly suprised.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 1:05:10 PM   
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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 1:08:40 PM   
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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 1:09:21 PM   
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no one protected the guy which is the usual with high ranking members of state, so with knowledge of his plan to run for the French presidency, I cannot help but think he was dropped in it by political adversaries, as why hide past misdemeanors. and suddenly allow the latest to appear.

Quite. It would be easy for opponents who knew about his sexual proclivities to arrange for a maid who would protest.

Wikipedia says about his parentage:
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Strauss-Kahn's father was born to an Alsatian Jewish father and a Catholic mother from Lorraine; Strauss-Kahn's mother is from a Sephardic Jewish family in Tunisia


He has an impressive curriculum vitae. I suspect that unlike USA politicians he was simply not as aware that he might be entrapped in this way.



All you ever think about are conspiracies and foreskins..... Not much of a thought process for a super genius is it ?

It`s utter madness, as well as obnoxious, to think this is anything other than the US authorities doing their job correctly.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 1:10:22 PM   
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Just remember justice is for those that can afford it, for much goes reported that never sees the light of day again, justice therefore is not a universal concept appicable to all.



Absolute nonsense for anyone in the UK to suggest this. Its just another myth not upheld by the facts, as seen by the number of ex MP`s jailed for expenses fraud. If you can back your claim with some evidence I will be highly suprised.


I think this is nonsense point!!! Even in the Netherlands the most famous attorney's do pro-deo work.


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 3:26:17 PM   
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Just remember justice is for those that can afford it, for much goes reported that never sees the light of day again, justice therefore is not a universal concept appicable to all.



Absolute nonsense for anyone in the UK to suggest this. Its just another myth not upheld by the facts, as seen by the number of ex MP`s jailed for expenses fraud. If you can back your claim with some evidence I will be highly suprised.


Evidence, how about I have been there myself, I have been through the crown court system and come out with nothing but negativity for I believe justice was not done. Myself as the complainant on four counts of attempted murder downgraded by the courts to ABH with a sentence of community service for the ones the police could locate a week after first interviewing all and that apparently because the prisons are full.The police fucked up and were reprimanded for it and the justice system itself awarded gardening for what was originally attempted murder andlater  became ABH.

Until you have been there, you don't know the realities as it is to a nobody.

So my understanding is of the criminal kind, there is nothing really to deter them from what it is they do, for the justice system in the UK is a mess.

Furthermore asa victim there is precious little in terms of victim support and that, of that title is on a voluntary contribution basis, but for the criminal there is lots, half of which is funded by government. My assailants had barrister representation paid for by the state, me, I had what the court could provide, I was working and a worker at the time of the attack, the four who attacked high on drugs were unemployed, but known as of the underclass, for they have all received past judgements for theft and assault on others.


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 4:59:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aneirin, your post has nothing to do with your claim that the law is only for the rich.

I dont follow your last paragraph as the prosecuting legal team is paid for by the state ? It seems from what you have written that the police screwed up with the evidence, I am sorry for that. Thats not got any connection with the law only being for the rich though.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 5:12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has everything to do with wealth, for if I was wealthy, then I could afford a legal team to act in my favour, but as I was not and because I was working, I did not qualify for legal aid, yet my assailants had a barrister paid for by the state. The result was completely unsatisfactory and totally destroyed my faith in British justice and the police who up to then, I supported wholeheartedly and the system of justice with it. The injuries I suffered was a fractured skull and three broken ribs and I had a footprint on my face for over a month, yet my assailants got to weed verges for their crime. I still live with the nightmares and a certain element of ptsd and even the CICA gave me shit over compensation,the result of which they cut my entitlement by 25% as soon as they learned I had AS, which I take to understand they in their unjudicial capacity believe I was  partly to blame, but perhaps they are right for in my mentality I failed to see danger where it was, believing in the best of people before the worst, which is hardly my fault.


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 5:17:33 PM   
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It has everything to do with wealth, for if I was wealthy, then I could afford a legal team to act in my favour, but as I was not and because I was working, I did not qualify for legal aid, yet my assailants had a barrister paid for by the state. The result was completely unsatisfactory and totally destroyed my faith in British justice and the police who up to then, I supported wholeheartedly and the system of justice with it. The injuries I suffered was a fractured skull and three broken ribs and I had a footprint on my face for over a month, yet my assailants got to weed verges for their crime. I still live with the nightmares and a certain element of ptsd and even the CICA gave me shit over compensation,the result of which they cut my entitlement by 25% as soon as they learned I had AS, which I take to understand they in their unjudicial capacity believe I was  partly to blame, but perhaps they are right for in my mentality I failed to see danger where it was, believing in the best of people before the worst, which is hardly my fault.



Nonsense, you are not able to hire lawyers who then affect the public prosecution of criminal cases, here in the UK. You know that and so do I. It is different if you are talking about making a civil claim.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 5:55:36 PM   
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I'm surprised you started this thread... It seems out of character. Even though you are right you must have known the reaction you would get.

It seems it is OK to rail against the US justice system but heaven forgive if you disparage Europe’s…And yes from an outsiders point of view The European systems are more alike than different.

There have been some valid points raised against you but overall I think you are closer to the truth than they want to admit.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/26/2011 6:13:39 PM   
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I don't understand how any job with a govt would be a status job. You're getting paid by the Taxpayers which makes you,...the hired help.

Yup.  Just like the Coast Guard.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 4:40:20 AM   
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I'm surprised you started this thread... It seems out of character. Even though you are right you must have known the reaction you would get.

It seems it is OK to rail against the US justice system but heaven forgive if you disparage Europe’s…And yes from an outsiders point of view The European systems are more alike than different.

There have been some valid points raised against you but overall I think you are closer to the truth than they want to admit.

Butch


Get a grip Butch, your jingoism is cringeworthy. European justice systems are vastly different from one another for varying reasons. It is like claiming all the American justice systems ( North America and South America ) are the same.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 5:25:07 AM   
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DarkSteven

I'm surprised you started this thread... It seems out of character. Even though you are right you must have known the reaction you would get.

It seems it is OK to rail against the US justice system but heaven forgive if you disparage Europe’s…And yes from an outsiders point of view The European systems are more alike than different.

There have been some valid points raised against you but overall I think you are closer to the truth than they want to admit.

Butch


Get a grip Butch, your jingoism is cringeworthy. European justice systems are vastly different from one another for varying reasons. It is like claiming all the American justice systems ( North America and South America ) are the same.


well said Politesub...it already starts with the fact that the age of legal responsibility is very different between the european countries

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 5:27:42 AM   
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we do not have titles in the US.   None.   

No, your aristocracy is based on wealth, political influence and fame instead.


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 6:22:35 AM   
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we do not have titles in the US.   None.   

No, your aristocracy is based on wealth, political influence and fame instead.

In wich "old money" is the nearest you have to aristocracy. Something like the Kennedy's.
I'd like to know how these families are influencing American politics and society.....

What is irritating me, is the media making DSK look guilty, before he's stands trial.


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 6:52:56 AM   
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DarkSteven

I'm surprised you started this thread... It seems out of character. Even though you are right you must have known the reaction you would get.

It seems it is OK to rail against the US justice system but heaven forgive if you disparage Europe’s…And yes from an outsiders point of view The European systems are more alike than different.

There have been some valid points raised against you but overall I think you are closer to the truth than they want to admit.

Get a grip Butch, your jingoism is cringeworthy. European justice systems are vastly different from one another for varying reasons. It is like claiming all the American justice systems ( North America and South America ) are the same.

Fair point. As independent states Europe's systems developed differently. No system is perfect. There can be corruption anywhere but reckon its not possible to just buy your way outta justice though wealth has some advantages or rise above it with status cept maybe in parts of Eastern Europe.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 9:06:29 AM   
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we do not have titles in the US.   None.   

No, your aristocracy is based on wealth, political influence and fame instead.

In wich "old money" is the nearest you have to aristocracy. Something like the Kennedy's.
I'd like to know how these families are influencing American politics and society.....

What is irritating me, is the media making DSK look guilty, before he's stands trial.


Actually, I'm a limey as well.
I just get a bit fed of hunky's constant: "we don't have a class system, all Americans are equal" blather. He's a nice guy, and it's rather touching that he's willing to believe that in the face of a lot of evidence to the contrary, but it's not a very convincing claim outside of a Horatio Alger novel. If anything, the American class system is even more entrenched and inflexible than ours is, which is no mean feat. It's just based on money, influence and notoriety rather than somebody's father having a seat in the House of Lords.

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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 9:13:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		As an example of the influence of "old money" :
I think Schwarzenegger had not elected governor if he had not been married into the Kennedy-Clan.

I might be wrong, but it is how "we" outsiders are looking at it (and how we are informed by our own media)


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RE: A question for Europeans about DSK. - 5/27/2011 10:49:13 AM   
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Fair point. As independent states Europe's systems developed differently. No system is perfect. There can be corruption anywhere but reckon its not possible to just buy your way outta justice though wealth has some advantages or rise above it with status cept maybe in parts of Eastern Europe.


I agree with you. Wealth does have one advantage for a defendant in the UK, in as much that you can afford better Barristers. That said, even the wealthiest cant avoid prosecution. Just yesterday yet another MP was jailed for fiddling his expenses. These people make the law, and therefore the public hold them fully to account.

As for the differences in the sytems, even Scottish law is different from the rest of the UK. Common law is used here while Civil law is used in germany and France, which again differ to one another. In fact Louisiana State law is based on French Civil law (Napoleonic Code) While all the other States use Common law, which has its roots in English law.

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