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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/28/2011 7:33:12 PM   
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Kucinich stands in opposition to renewal of the Patriot Act

"It's time we stopped rubberstamping these provisions. Reform the Patriot Act. Stop big government from reaching into people's lives."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bstSKIFkVY

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/28/2011 8:08:33 PM   
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Only serves to underscore my point, dont you think?


Yes I do. That's why I posted it--it's relevant (and NPR covered it).

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/28/2011 8:57:12 PM   
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Doesnt necessarily mean NPR has shed its bias, that reporting could be seen as taking pot shots at American foreign policy from the left of the current administration

Not saying that they are. Im just not convinced theyre finally on the level

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Only serves to underscore my point, dont you think?


Yes I do. That's why I posted it--it's relevant (and NPR covered it).


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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/29/2011 2:41:49 AM   
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that reporting could be seen as

It will always be seen as whatever you choose to spin it as.


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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/29/2011 6:45:08 AM   
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Thats not spin, they have admitted that they are biased.

The only spin is your own.

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It will always be seen as whatever you choose to spin it as.




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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/29/2011 10:51:50 AM   
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the fallacy of sweeping generalizations, lets call it the joe the plumber logical fallacy.   

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/29/2011 12:08:03 PM   
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Who do you think "they" are mnot

I want to  see if you can figure out who it is that is being discussed on your own.

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Who is they?  anyone working there?   You find one case among millions and it is see?  Joe the plumber.

the fallacy of sweeping generalizations, lets call it the joe the plumber logical fallacy.   


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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/30/2011 10:01:02 AM   
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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/30/2011 10:27:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Julia (and others who vehemently oppose the "patriot" act as an assault on our freedoms): if you want a (admittedly small) chance of casting a meaningful vote for a presidential candidate opposed to the patriot act, make sure you register republican asap.
If everyone who opposed the patriot act did so, you might even get such a president.

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/30/2011 10:29:20 PM   
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They wrote it.

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/30/2011 10:44:22 PM   
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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/31/2011 8:10:58 AM   
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Yeah, what O'59 said. Republicans instigated the patriot act so how would voting Republican negate that? 'Splain that one to Me, sgw,  I'm so confused. 


There will will be at least two candidates in the Republican primary who are against it. Obama will be the only choice in the Democrat primary. He's not only for it, he has a secret interpretation of it that not too many people seem concerned about, unfortunately.

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/31/2011 8:14:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		See, here's that silly reaction thing, bouncing from party to party every election, fantasizing some message gets sent.

Both parties support the Patriot Act. Simple fact. More Republicans than Democrats, but still simple fact.

I too oppose it. But your solution does nothing.

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 5/31/2011 8:17:46 AM   
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There will will be at least two candidates in the Republican primary who are against it. Obama will be the only choice in the Democrat primary. He's not only for it, he has a secret interpretation of it that not too many people seem concerned about, unfortunately.


If it is secret, how do you know about it?

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:34:15 AM   
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See, here's that silly reaction thing, bouncing from party to party every election, fantasizing some message gets sent.

Both parties support the Patriot Act. Simple fact. More Republicans than Democrats, but still simple fact.

I too oppose it. But your solution does nothing.


It's up for renewal in four years. Obama changed his position when he took office. The only way to change it anytime soon through the legislative or executive branches is to vote for a Constitutionalist in the 2012 Republican primary. Like it or not, that's the only option we're left with.

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:36:12 AM   
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There will will be at least two candidates in the Republican primary who are against it. Obama will be the only choice in the Democrat primary. He's not only for it, he has a secret interpretation of it that not too many people seem concerned about, unfortunately.


If it is secret, how do you know about it?


Wired.com There’s a Secret Patriot Act, Senator Says
By Spencer Ackerman May 25, 2011

"You think you understand how the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on its citizens. Sen. Ron Wyden says it’s worse than you know.

Congress is set to reauthorize three controversial provisions of the surveillance law as early as Thursday. Wyden (D-Oregon) says that powers they grant the government on their face, the government applies a far broader legal interpretation — an interpretation that the government has conveniently classified, so it cannot be publicly assessed or challenged. But one prominent Patriot-watcher asserts that the secret interpretation empowers the government to deploy ”dragnets” for massive amounts of information on private citizens; the government portrays its data-collection efforts much differently.

“We’re getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says,” Wyden told Danger Room in an interview in his Senate office. “When you’ve got that kind of a gap, you’re going to have a problem on your hands.”

What exactly does Wyden mean by that? As a member of the intelligence committee, he laments that he can’t precisely explain without disclosing classified information. But one component of the Patriot Act in particular gives him immense pause: the so-called “business-records provision,” which empowers the FBI to get businesses, medical offices, banks and other organizations to turn over any “tangible things” it deems relevant to a security investigation.

“It is fair to say that the business-records provision is a part of the Patriot Act that I am extremely interested in reforming,” Wyden says. “I know a fair amount about how it’s interpreted, and I am going to keep pushing, as I have, to get more information about how the Patriot Act is being interpreted declassified. I think the public has a right to public debate about it.”

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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:36:15 AM   
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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:40:32 AM   
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Like it or not, that's the only option we're left with.


And your option leads to....renewing the Patriot Act.

Good plan. How does that stop it again?


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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:43:47 AM   
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I think your random phrase generator may have a short circuit, mnot

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There are no constitutionalists in the republican party, so that dog don't get his nuts licked.  


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RE: Obama signs Patriot Act - 6/1/2011 6:47:48 AM   
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