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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 1:09:11 PM   
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Um.........we're talking about people denied jobs for overqualifications.


Hmmmm.... I was talking about your posting to Wilbur which seemed to be about the detectability to those doing the hiring...


But maybe you were responding to his next post....

edited to add, my bad

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 1:10:13 PM   
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ROFL. Apparently youve never been in a position to hire people. Those that you describe, if they even get through the door, are so transparent they dont get past a preliminary live screening.



You are missing his point. He said in the first line those who are looking at the resumes and screening the candidates on behalf of the companies are a joke.  And he is right.  It is becoming more of a problem.  There is no due diligence happening anymore in the interview room, just a reliance on background checks and credit checks. That's because most of the people performing the screening are younger, inexperienced, and work cheaper, which is why they are there in the first place.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 1:10:37 PM   
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I think it's time to change your tactics, no?

This may be an reason.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 1:13:37 PM   
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WTF?!!!

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2073520,00.html

"There are no hard data on discrimination against the unemployed. But there have been reports from across the country of companies' making clear in job listings that they are not interested in people who are out of work. "


In other news, the sea is wet, and Republicans have yet to offer suggestions as to how more jobs might be created.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 3:07:07 PM   
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Republicans have yet to offer suggestions as to how more jobs might be created.

I sure hope you get paid for all of that partisan propaganda you push.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 3:30:41 PM   
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ROFL. Apparently youve never been in a position to hire people. Those that you describe, if they even get through the door, are so transparent they dont get past a preliminary live screening.



You are missing his point. He said in the first line those who are looking at the resumes and screening the candidates on behalf of the companies are a joke.  And he is right.  It is becoming more of a problem.  There is no due diligence happening anymore in the interview room, just a reliance on background checks and credit checks. That's because most of the people performing the screening are younger, inexperienced, and work cheaper, which is why they are there in the first place.



No, he's not right, nor are you. The due diligence being done in the hiring process is as extensive and competent as it ever was. What you may be giving you the impression it isnt is the level of jobs youve been interviewed for.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 3:42:45 PM   
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I really hate to agree with Fellow.

But he's partly right--I've seen blanket policies flatly/blindly followed, such as "must have two year accounting degree," and four-year accounting degree people told they weren't qualified.


Thats annoyingly very true

The UK has a massive shortage of social workers and regularly hires social workers from the US and other continents to fill their posts. Until 2 years ago it was also quite easy to get into that job after finishing the degree but then a massive scandal happened once again over here when a toddler died which introduced a new scheme for newly qualified people in which employers are supposed to offer a reduced caseload as well as more supervision during the first year of practice...which now means that most posts require at least 2-4 year post qualifying experience and so you struggle to get in...

Currently they accompany students on a radio show through their degree into employment and in the first part of that show they spoke to an agency where she said it is next to impossible to get newly qualified staff into work with the changed requirements, whereas if you have a few years post quali experience then they have work for you en masse.

and of course if you apply for other posts then you are likely assumed not to stay for long anyway with that degree and so don't get in either (or posts get put on hold or withdrawn due to lack of funding for them in the current climate).



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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 4:01:21 PM   
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The UK has a massive shortage of social workers and regularly hires social workers from the US


Don't tell my girlfriend. I like her here.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 4:16:25 PM   
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The UK has a massive shortage of social workers and regularly hires social workers from the US


Don't tell my girlfriend. I like her here.


lol...I also want her to remain in...where are you again???

*goes and checks*

america.....

but here to show you...in case you change your mind and want to lure her away

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1151907/Baby-P-council-hired-US-college-kids-36-000-year-social-workers.html

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 4:39:01 PM   
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I did some checking around, and since my loca area is building 3 new hospitals (new regional one, cancer treatment, childrens), there is a huge shortage of nurses, technicians, and therapist in the medical profession. I did some more digging and I was surprised that they are paid kind of low, and with little benefits. Seems healthcare is going to be an even bigger business soon, so that industry really needs to improve the pay and benefits if they want more people attracted into that field.

I also contacted a friend of mine that works in HR for a large corporation, and he said they no longer have the guideline about being unemployed as automatic dismiss of your resume. Their company also used to do credit checks, but they have stopped that as well. He said that you would be amazed that some of the better candidates will often have nice savings they have been living on, and are particular about the job they want, as well as so many people have worse credit scores due to so many things now.

Just one person though, so I am not sure if other companies are changing practices or not.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 4:47:51 PM   
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~FR~

I did some checking around, and since my loca area is building 3 new hospitals (new regional one, cancer treatment, childrens), there is a huge shortage of nurses, technicians, and therapist in the medical profession. I did some more digging and I was surprised that they are paid kind of low, and with little benefits. Seems healthcare is going to be an even bigger business soon, so that industry really needs to improve the pay and benefits if they want more people attracted into that field.


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Gonna be kind of hard if Obamacare isnt going to increase taxes even more lol. The average doctor will have the abilities of an automechanic as it is.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 4:56:04 PM   
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~FR~

I did some checking around, and since my local area is building 3 new hospitals (new regional one, cancer treatment, childrens), there is a huge shortage of nurses, technicians, and therapist in the medical profession.




Of course there will be 3 new hospitals, that's where the corporate welfare is nowadays.  If you were in an industry that gets half its revenue from Uncle Sam, wouldn't you open more and more facilities? Someday, tho, the bank will break, the national credit card maxed out, and the party will be over. Layoffs will follow.

Right now, Healthcare is like the Defense industry.

I saw a story on the news the other day about a hospital in the Boston area that has created an internal school, so the people who are janitors and cooks and houskeeping staff can go to their little "Hosptial Uinversity" and 'graduate' into LPN, phlebotomy, X-ray techs, or some other low level jobs where they get to poke and prod and interact with patients. They don't want to pay going rates for people with outside education in those fields, they want to develop the lower cost staff themselves from the ranks of working single mothers already employed in the kitchen. But hey, its not that the Master Corporation is broke to warrant all this, what with the direct plumbing installed to the US Treasury.



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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:05:38 PM   
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Sad, but true.   They are also not supposed to age discriminate, but they found ways around that too.   The kid next door applied at Target, and on the app, they asked if you were under a certain age, or over another....sort of narrows it down as to where you actually sit.   Clever way to ask, but not ask.

I've seen them request a two year degree, for a receptionist position.   We're talking answering phones and stuffing envelopes.  Must be those complicated kind of envelopes that only a Bachelor Degree will prepare you for.   It's like house shopping during a sellers market.   Having lived through a few of these, I'm going on hope that this too shall pass.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:19:30 PM   
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I'm in the process of looking for work in Baltimore because I'll be selling my home shortly and I'd like to move but unfortunately I'm at a point where I'm going to have to quit my current job from Hell because my boss has refused us our vacation days because we're shorthanded. So while I've had 3 job interviews recently I was not able to attend any one of them because the boss refused me days off.

I'm finding it nearly impossible to job hunt at all while being currently employed.

How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:32:19 PM   
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The average doctor will have the abilities of an automechanic as it is.




That's okay.  I don't weep for him.  He has made his fortune off the public dole already. And then some.  Like banksters.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:34:56 PM   
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I also contacted a friend of mine that works in HR for a large corporation, and he said they no longer have the guideline about being unemployed as automatic dismiss of your resume. Their company also used to do credit checks, but they have stopped that as well. He said that you would be amazed that some of the better candidates will often have nice savings they have been living on, and are particular about the job they want, as well as so many people have worse credit scores due to so many things now.


I spent years in HR Management.  It was never a policy of any company I worked for not to hire the unemployed; however, it was considered good hiring practice.  Rationally speaking, the individuals who are unemployed typically are those who were the least valuable to their last employer.  Companies are in business to make money... you don't fire or lay off your best employees.  Ergo, those who are unemployed were considered the less desirable.  Better to hire an employee who is still working (and still considered a valuable asset by their current company), than to risk hiring in someone who was culled.

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I've seen them request a two year degree, for a receptionist position.   We're talking answering phones and stuffing envelopes.  Must be those complicated kind of envelopes that only a Bachelor Degree will prepare you for.   It's like house shopping during a sellers market.   Having lived through a few of these, I'm going on hope that this too shall pass.


I doubt it is ever going to pass... the bar has been raised. 

Think about it.  Thirty years ago, fewer people attained a college degree.  It wasn't necessary because there were plenty of opportunities for work without one.  They weren't necessary glamorous, and they might require more labor, but you could still make a decent living.

Typically, higher wages are paid to individuals who hold positions where a college degree is needed.  Note that I didn't say "necessary".  I'm not talking about where an employer arbitrarily decides they want someone with a degree, but positions that actually require someone who has skills and education only obtained through college.

Due to the drive to hold those higher wage positions that were more glamorous and required less labor (much of which is instigated by parents... the drive, that is), coupled with an increased willingness to go into debt for an education and a societal shift wherein higher education is more of an expectation, we've greatly increased the number of people who now have degrees.

Unfortunately, we've not commensurately increased the number of positions that truly require a higher education.  Instead, we've forced degreed individuals into lower paying jobs... and the employers of those jobs have become accustomed to having higher qualified persons to fill those positions. 

There is also the fact that typically the company officials who determine what criteria is needed for a job are pressured to do whatever they need to do to ensure a more productive employee.  Requiring a receptionist to have a two year college degree is a way to help ensure that employee will be more responsible and more productive.

I hate to say this, too, but many of those company officials, as well as the supervisors who do the hiring, have also developed something of a "snobbish" attitude with regard to their own degrees.  For example, it is almost impossible to get a position in a Human Resources office without a degree.  Even a lowly receptionist position in an HR office usually requires a degree because many of the duties they will perform will be Human Resource related functions.  Now, nearly everyone working in the Human Resources field in a hiring position holds a degree.  Do you think they want to admit to anyone else... let alone themselves... that someone who doesn't have a degree can possibly do any of the work they do without the higher education?

Of course not.

So the bar keeps getting pushed higher and higher, while the value of a degree continues to drop.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:38:03 PM   
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I'm in the process of looking for work in Baltimore because I'll be selling my home shortly and I'd like to move but unfortunately I'm at a point where I'm going to have to quit my current job from Hell because my boss has refused us our vacation days because we're shorthanded. So while I've had 3 job interviews recently I was not able to attend any one of them because the boss refused me days off.

I'm finding it nearly impossible to job hunt at all while being currently employed.

How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You very truthfully explain to the person wanting to interview you that due to circumstances with your current employer, you are unable to make an interview during normal business hours.   Then, you ask if there is a time outside of those hours in which you might schedule.

Understand, too, that your new potential employer is going to consider it an important issue that your current employer is aware that you are seeking employment elsewhere.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:48:07 PM   
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Thanks TreasurKY. I tried that with two of the interviews but they said they do not have interview hours after work hours and therefore I was screwed with them. The other one was going on vacation the next day for two weeks and wanted to hire someone by the end of that day.

As for my current employer knowing about my leaving, if I told my boss that I'd be fired the very next day. I've done everything short of begging on hands and knees at work just to get a day off even just for a doctor's appointment.

But I keep applying in the hopes I can one day get a special interview. If not then I'll be doing temp work until finding something more permanent.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 5:53:55 PM   
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Unemployment is a problem worldwide, just check those in North Africa and elsewhere that rose and deposed their leadeer, unemployment was one of the motivating factors


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 6:08:51 PM   
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I doubt it is ever going to pass... the bar has been raised.


TreasureKY,

I agree.  My comment though was more at the general unemployment, not college degrees.   However, not only are they expecting more and more education, they are also phasing out and making due.   When companies find themselves once more in the "black", they will realize that they managed just fine without Bob in Accounting, because George took over the necessary duties in Bob's absence and now Bob is obsolete.  Poor Bob.

When I think back on those typing, shorthand and dictaphone classes I took in high school....who knew Microsoft would come out with a program to kill the typing pools.  Who even knew computers would be a thing of the future. 

Thank goodness my husband is retired and I can work part time here and there to fill the days, I worry about all the college degrees as they hit the streets and try to find jobs.  

Lisa




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