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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 6:49:13 PM   
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Unemployment is a problem worldwide


I have to disagree to "worldwide"...at least in case you mean it "right now"...as of course at times it happens everywhere.

In Germany it was very bad from 2004-2008 but now its ok again to find work which is why I decided to continue back home.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 7:08:28 PM   
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Unemployment is a problem worldwide, just check those in North Africa and elsewhere that rose and deposed their leadeer, unemployment was one of the motivating factors



Yes, and?

I don't think anyone has said it isn't a problem anywhere else.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what it is that people expect leaders to do.   It isn't as if they can pull good paying jobs out of their ass. 

Not that I don't applaud those people for throwing off their useless dictators...

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 7:21:50 PM   
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I doubt it is ever going to pass... the bar has been raised.


TreasureKY,

I agree.  My comment though was more at the general unemployment, not college degrees.   However, not only are they expecting more and more education, they are also phasing out and making due.   When companies find themselves once more in the "black", they will realize that they managed just fine without Bob in Accounting, because George took over the necessary duties in Bob's absence and now Bob is obsolete.  Poor Bob.

When I think back on those typing, shorthand and dictaphone classes I took in high school....who knew Microsoft would come out with a program to kill the typing pools.  Who even knew computers would be a thing of the future. 

Thank goodness my husband is retired and I can work part time here and there to fill the days, I worry about all the college degrees as they hit the streets and try to find jobs.


Of five of the "just now employment" age children of mine and Firm, two have recently opted to join our business, and one will likely join as soon as his military obligations are over next year.  Thankfully we've plenty of work for them to do.  Of the last two, one will be attending college next year and the other has decided to try things the hard way by getting an entry level retail job and working his way up.

It is a scary world out there and I agree it doesn't appear to be a bright future for many of the younger generation.  I can't really blame them for their dark attitudes.  Personally though, I think we've done them a big disservice in not preparing them better. 

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 7:40:33 PM   
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How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You call in sick.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 7:47:07 PM   
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How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You call in sick.


I did that once. I was chewed out when I got back the next day and told I need a doctor's excuse. lol

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 7:48:38 PM   
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Sad, but true.   They are also not supposed to age discriminate, but they found ways around that too.   The kid next door applied at Target, and on the app, they asked if you were under a certain age, or over another....sort of narrows it down as to where you actually sit.   Clever way to ask, but not ask.




Doesnt pass the smell test.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 9:45:24 PM   
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Rationally speaking, the individuals who are unemployed typically are those who were the least valuable to their last employer.  Companies are in business to make money... you don't fire or lay off your best employees.  Ergo, those who are unemployed were considered the less desirable.  Better to hire an employee who is still working (and still considered a valuable asset by their current company), than to risk hiring in someone who was culled.

You've got entire divisions or companies that were shut down.  Are you saying that all of them were culls?

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 10:17:02 PM   
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I did some checking around, and since my loca area is building 3 new hospitals (new regional one, cancer treatment, childrens), there is a huge shortage of nurses, technicians, and therapist in the medical profession. I did some more digging and I was surprised that they are paid kind of low, and with little benefits. Seems healthcare is going to be an even bigger business soon, so that industry really needs to improve the pay and benefits if they want more people attracted into that field.


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Gonna be kind of hard if Obamacare isnt going to increase taxes even more lol. The average doctor will have the abilities of an automechanic as it is.
Because that is what many of them are, glorified mechanics. What do you think a differential diagnosis is? And even then they get it wrong quite often.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/27/2011 10:22:48 PM   
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Rationally speaking, the individuals who are unemployed typically are those who were the least valuable to their last employer.  Companies are in business to make money... you don't fire or lay off your best employees.  Ergo, those who are unemployed were considered the less desirable.  Better to hire an employee who is still working (and still considered a valuable asset by their current company), than to risk hiring in someone who was culled.

You've got entire divisions or companies that were shut down.  Are you saying that all of them were culls?


The general assumption is, yes.  From the hiring company's view point, they are going to assume the other business is well run... or at least attempting to be run well by culling out weakness.

Seriously... you don't bite the hand that feeds you.  If an entire division was shut down, it was because it wasn't considered a valuable asset for the company.  There may have been good people in that division, but the assumption would be that if individual people are that valuable an asset for the company, they'd be noticed and a place found for them elsewhere within the company.  Any let go would be assumed to be not valuable enough to hang on to.

When you are in business to succeed and need to minimize risk, the assumption is that if a former employer is still in business, then they are doing something right... which included making the decision to let go those they did.

I understand that not all businesses work that way.  And I'm not saying all this is good or right... just the way it is a lot of the time.

From a hiring perspective, when you have one position to fill and hundred of applicants, it is not an unusual practice to use to narrow down the field.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 12:11:16 AM   
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How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You call in sick.


I did that once. I was chewed out when I got back the next day and told I need a doctor's excuse. lol



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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 4:48:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who has occasional gaps in employment, this discrimination is nothing new.

I do get concerned at the "what should we do" question being asked.  The correct answer is that the burden of doing something is upon the jobseeker.

Don't overlook the time factor and motivation.  When I looked for work when employed, I'd send out a resume or two a month,  When unemployed, I'd send out a resume or two a day, and spend much more time jobhunting and researching companies/positions.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 5:12:01 AM   
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How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You call in sick.


I did that once. I was chewed out when I got back the next day and told I need a doctor's excuse. lol



Copy and paste, dear. Photoshop isnt just for pictures.


LOL....my guilt would eat away at me. I've thought about it though!


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 5:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "what should we do?" stems from entire divisions, locations and in some cases companies have been closed down. These people were not just let go because they had the worst performance of those there. Combine that with the high unemployment, and bad economy, and it effects (affects?) everyone.

I did see a projection analysis though, that shows within a few years not only will unemployment be down, but it will be flipped around so that there are many more jobs than those qualified for them.

In the companies I consulted for, gaps were an issue, but someone being currently unemployed for a valid reason did not make them less desirable. especially if the reason was verifiable and they had been at their previous job for 5+ years.


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As someone who has occasional gaps in employment, this discrimination is nothing new.

I do get concerned at the "what should we do" question being asked.  The correct answer is that the burden of doing something is upon the jobseeker.

Don't overlook the time factor and motivation.  When I looked for work when employed, I'd send out a resume or two a month,  When unemployed, I'd send out a resume or two a day, and spend much more time jobhunting and researching companies/positions.



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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 8:22:33 AM   
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The "what should we do?" stems from entire divisions, locations and in some cases companies have been closed down. These people were not just let go because they had the worst performance of those there. Combine that with the high unemployment, and bad economy, and it effects (affects?) everyone.

I did see a projection analysis though, that shows within a few years not only will unemployment be down, but it will be flipped around so that there are many more jobs than those qualified for them.

In the companies I consulted for, gaps were an issue, but someone being currently unemployed for a valid reason did not make them less desirable. especially if the reason was verifiable and they had been at their previous job for 5+ years.


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As someone who has occasional gaps in employment, this discrimination is nothing new.

I do get concerned at the "what should we do" question being asked.  The correct answer is that the burden of doing something is upon the jobseeker.

Don't overlook the time factor and motivation.  When I looked for work when employed, I'd send out a resume or two a month,  When unemployed, I'd send out a resume or two a day, and spend much more time jobhunting and researching companies/positions.




Yes but management consulting firms were making millions selling "Workforce 2000" studies in the early 90s, predicting and preparing for the supposed lack of employees to fill jobs. 7%+ unemployment will be a fixture in the US until the governments get out of the way.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 9:06:48 AM   
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7%+ unemployment will be a fixture in the US until the governments get out of the way.


Not sure that the government is the cause here as much as cheaper labor overseas, other governments subsidizing businesses coming over, etc.


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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 9:09:55 AM   
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How do you go to interviews when you can't even get a day off???


You call in sick.


I did that once. I was chewed out when I got back the next day and told I need a doctor's excuse. lol


So swing by the doctor's office on the way back.

Get a flat tire. Have car trouble. Get creative.



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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 7:10:43 PM   
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You've got entire divisions or companies that were shut down.  Are you saying that all of them were culls?


The general assumption is, yes.  From the hiring company's view point, they are going to assume the other business is well run... or at least attempting to be run well by culling out weakness.

Seriously... you don't bite the hand that feeds you.  If an entire division was shut down, it was because it wasn't considered a valuable asset for the company.  There may have been good people in that division, but the assumption would be that if individual people are that valuable an asset for the company, they'd be noticed and a place found for them elsewhere within the company.  Any let go would be assumed to be not valuable enough to hang on to.

When you are in business to succeed and need to minimize risk, the assumption is that if a former employer is still in business, then they are doing something right... which included making the decision to let go those they did.

I understand that not all businesses work that way.  And I'm not saying all this is good or right... just the way it is a lot of the time.

From a hiring perspective, when you have one position to fill and hundred of applicants, it is not an unusual practice to use to narrow down the field.


I was at a company that had a huge layoff and it was due to bad strategy decisions made by the top 10% of the corporation, and to make the stock look good.  If the rest of the company runs lean, they won't have open positions available for fill.

The same company sold off another entire division (probably 2000 people, including the factory workers) because that segment of the market's cutthroat with low margins.  Again, the top-most part of the division has the power to improve profitability.

You've got some interesting theories, but they sure don't apply to my experience.  I've seen an entire corporation run into the ground by senior management.  I've seen 2 tiny ones done in by the owners' stupidity.  Being a great worker doesn't help if the boss is pocketing the IRS taxes.

Now, another thing that happened in San Diego was during the defense downturn.  They lost over 300,000 jobs.  I ain't joking or jesting.  If you think that all these folks were poor employees, you'd be mistaken.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 7:15:59 PM   
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7%+ unemployment will be a fixture in the US until the governments get out of the way.


Not sure that the government is the cause here as much as cheaper labor overseas, other governments subsidizing businesses coming over, etc.



LOL. Cheaper labor and other governments subsidizing businesses more than we are IS our government getting in the way.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 7:55:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a greed problem too. There are NO morals in business anymore.  The greed you see in Wall Street firms, to a lesser degree, infects both big companies and small business owners.  The all want more of something for nothing. They all expect this governemt to subside them more. They play one local government against another one for tax breaks, etc.

Businesses were profitable when they used to hire the unemployed.  Now, we look at the 'right to make a buck' (as if we weren't before) as an excuse to bypass an entire class of citizens.  That difference between what worked before, and what apparently is not good enough now, its greed.

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RE: Being unemployed can keep you from getting a job - 5/28/2011 8:03:38 PM   
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There are NO morals in business anymore.


Nonsense. You're merely looking at the cases where that appear to be true.

Hardly representative of the business world in its entirely.


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