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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 9:57:17 AM   
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You are understandably seriously pissed off, and you have every right to be. Obviously, something opened the tap of anger you had kept so carefully shut and hence this post.

I am truly sorry for what you went through. But I hope after you have gotten it all out in this post, you can stop being so angry at yourself for falling for the lies, and it doesn't make you become such a harden person that you stop yourself from being the caring person you tried to be to the person who did this to you.

They were wrong and they wronged you horribly. But if, in the future, you look for reasons not to trust in someone, in the end you will be miserable, and anyone who tries to be honestly involved with you will feel that misery along with you. Take some time to heal, and yes be more careful in the future, but don't let it destroy who you are.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 10:02:34 AM   
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But if, in the future, you look for reasons not to trust in someone, in the end you will be miserable, and anyone who tries to be honestly involved with you will feel that misery along with you. Take some time to heal, and yes be more careful in the future, but don't let it destroy who you are


I slightly disagree with this.... I do not think you should distrust people that you just meet, but you shouldn't give your trust or let someone in until you know them. Best course is just to remain neutral and don't wear your heart on your sleeve until you know who you are dealing with.... which usually takes some time. It also takes listening to what they tell you about themselves with open eyes, and not automatically believing everything they say.

I always say the best bet is to get to know their social network before you get too emotionally involved. It will tell you a lot about someone...

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 10:27:48 AM   
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Honestly, not wearing "your heart on your sleeve" is a given for adult relationships.

You obviously (wrongly) took what I said to mean that people should just fully trust again. It's foolish to do it the first time, ridiculous to do it a second.

When a person is dragged through the wringer the way the OP was, it is easy to become so jaded it is impossible to ever have a functional relationship again because there is always that distrust underlying everything. Certainly, when something like this happens, an adult is more careful in the future, but if you are going to become so "careful" that you don't let anyone in, you never heal from the previous damage.

Certainly anthropology and sociology can give a person all kinds of information about a person's cultural leanings, and in some ways it can tell you a bit about who they are. "Guilty by association" isn't a phrase built from nothing.


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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 10:36:56 AM   
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You obviously (wrongly) took what I said to mean that people should just fully trust again. It's foolish to do it the first time, ridiculous to do it a second.


I didn't think you meant it that way...


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When a person is dragged through the wringer the way the OP was, it is easy to become so jaded it is impossible to ever have a functional relationship again because there is always that distrust underlying everything. Certainly, when something like this happens, an adult is more careful in the future, but if you are going to become so "careful" that you don't let anyone in, you never heal from the previous damage.


The OP is over 40, he has probably been hurt before, and betrayed as well (unfortunately most of us have been at least once by the time we are over the hill)... It doesn't seem to have impacted his ability to trust yet, although each time we get screwed over it does jade us a little more.... hopefully it makes us smarter

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 1:25:52 PM   
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oh for fuck's sake! grow the fuck up. you're 44, not 4.
so somebody lied to you and you bought it. it fucking happens all the time dude. get over it.
you sound like some shit in high school for christ's sake.
it isn't her fault, its yours. you allowed yourself to lose control of your emotions, you allowed yourself to get sucked into her web.

she played with your sympathies and emotions. guess what bucky, there are emotional sadists on here, expect that sort of shit to happen. there are people who's kink is to fuck with your head and heart, and the sooner you realize that the better.

now instead of coming on here and whining a blubbering like a baby, act your fucking age. you got had, learn the lesson and get on with life. you're bitching about people playing the empathy card and playing it yourself. fuck that.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:00:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

You obviously (wrongly) took what I said to mean that people should just fully trust again. It's foolish to do it the first time, ridiculous to do it a second.


I didn't think you meant it that way...


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When a person is dragged through the wringer the way the OP was, it is easy to become so jaded it is impossible to ever have a functional relationship again because there is always that distrust underlying everything. Certainly, when something like this happens, an adult is more careful in the future, but if you are going to become so "careful" that you don't let anyone in, you never heal from the previous damage.


The OP is over 40, he has probably been hurt before, and betrayed as well (unfortunately most of us have been at least once by the time we are over the hill)... It doesn't seem to have impacted his ability to trust yet, although each time we get screwed over it does jade us a little more.... hopefully it makes us smarter



Let's get real here. Yes, you did make a statement like I meant it that way.

Second, there are hurts and then there are hurts. It isn't likely that someone has lied to the OP the way this particular circumstance played out. Perhaps the OP's posts on this are his way of working through his anger, but someone doing something like that does have a way of jading a person beyond repair.

For those of you "over the hill" (at nearly 47 I don't consider myself that way), the reality is that when we get older and get so horribly played, it hurts more. Why? Because we believe we should have been smarter than to let this happen.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:12:33 PM   
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Second, there are hurts and then there are hurts. It isn't likely that someone has lied to the OP the way this particular circumstance played out. Perhaps the OP's posts on this are his way of working through his anger, but someone doing something like that does have a way of jading a person beyond repair.

For those of you "over the hill" (at nearly 47 I don't consider myself that way), the reality is that when we get older and get so horribly played, it hurts more. Why? Because we believe we should have been smarter than to let this happen.


I don't know how one measures "hurts".. perhaps my personal hurts and betrayals are less than someone else's, never thought of it that way before. I hurt until I didn't hurt, and I have felt in my life like my guts were being ripped out and put on display because of the betrayal I have felt. Now I don't dwell on experiences that caused the hurt so much anymore, mainly because I replaced that relationship with others that were way more healthy, and even if they didn't work out, it wasn't because they were liars, etc.

As far as the age thing, well, I am never too old to feel stupid, but I am old enough to know that I can be taken in. Anyone can. You can be with someone for a decade and then they screw you over. Life is a risk and love is a risk... you take calculated risks in this life, but they are still risks.

Best to calculate the risks... and learn ways to minimize them.

Edited to take ancient personal crap out of my post...

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:35:19 PM   
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Whip, my brother, way too much emotional involvement.

This is like 'Nam out here, man! You can't afford to get too close because a lot of these fuckers ain't gonna be around here in the morning.


Dude, be glad this shit is behind you, if not, in time it soon enough will be.

Here is a tip...Stop fucking the crazies! Look, my brother, I know that fucking "the crazies" is some of the best fucking pussy one can ever obtain, but the long term costs are never worth the few memorable squirts.


Remember this shit that you are currently going through the next time you are staring a va-jay-jay square in the eye. Before you dive head first into the fucker take a very good look at the fucking thing that fucker is attached to. Is it sane? If not, just drop your goop and then tell them that your name is willbeurdaddy and get the fuck out of there.

Once your blood pressure has leveled off and the stroke has passed you are going to see how you really screwed the pooch on this one.

You believed the bitch but ignored all of the signs. You were looking at her slit instead of listening to her words and tracking her actions.

Another great thing about the crazies is that they are in fact fucking crazy. They will always blame others for all of their misfortunes, they will routinely complain about exes, they will have problems with their coworkers if they even some how manage to have a job.

Dude, consider yourself blessed. You are now free and clear of the killing zone. You got the fuck out alive.

I got to tell you...There is nothing as exciting as fucking in a minefield. Of course until your dick gets blown the fuck off.


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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:37:44 PM   
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also, look how hannah is now [Awaiting Approval]...that shit has got to cheer anyone the fuck up!

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:50:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Whip, my brother, way too much emotional involvement.

This is like 'Nam out here, man! You can't afford to get too close because a lot of these fuckers ain't gonna be around here in the morning.


Dude, be glad this shit is behind you, if not, in time it soon enough will be.

Here is a tip...Stop fucking the crazies! Look, my brother, I know that fucking "the crazies" is some of the best fucking pussy one can ever obtain, but the long term costs are never worth the few memorable squirts.


Remember this shit that you are currently going through the next time you are staring a va-jay-jay square in the eye. Before you dive head first into the fucker take a very good look at the fucking thing that fucker is attached to. Is it sane? If not, just drop your goop and then tell them that your name is willbeurdaddy and get the fuck out of there.

Once your blood pressure has leveled off and the stroke has passed you are going to see how you really screwed the pooch on this one.

You believed the bitch but ignored all of the signs. You were looking at her slit instead of listening to her words and tracking her actions.

Another great thing about the crazies is that they are in fact fucking crazy. They will always blame others for all of their misfortunes, they will routinely complain about exes, they will have problems with their coworkers if they even some how manage to have a job.

Dude, consider yourself blessed. You are now free and clear of the killing zone. You got the fuck out alive.

I got to tell you...There is nothing as exciting as fucking in a minefield. Of course until your dick gets blown the fuck off.




Read this carefully WLS, it is the most useful post on this thread

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:54:20 PM   
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You believed the bitch but ignored all of the signs.


Something my mother told me, when I asked how could I ever trust again, because everyone out there is a liar (which is what I believed at the time).  She said it's not that other people were lying to me. It's that I lied to myself, by believing what I knew wasn't true.

Once I realized the truth in that statement, nothing that set the radar off went unexamined.

Doesn't mean I'll never be completely betrayed again, but it mitigates the risk of it.



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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:58:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Whip, my brother, way too much emotional involvement.

This is like 'Nam out here, man! You can't afford to get too close because a lot of these fuckers ain't gonna be around here in the morning.


Dude, be glad this shit is behind you, if not, in time it soon enough will be.

Here is a tip...Stop fucking the crazies! Look, my brother, I know that fucking "the crazies" is some of the best fucking pussy one can ever obtain, but the long term costs are never worth the few memorable squirts.


Remember this shit that you are currently going through the next time you are staring a va-jay-jay square in the eye. Before you dive head first into the fucker take a very good look at the fucking thing that fucker is attached to. Is it sane? If not, just drop your goop and then tell them that your name is willbeurdaddy and get the fuck out of there.

Once your blood pressure has leveled off and the stroke has passed you are going to see how you really screwed the pooch on this one.

You believed the bitch but ignored all of the signs. You were looking at her slit instead of listening to her words and tracking her actions.

Another great thing about the crazies is that they are in fact fucking crazy. They will always blame others for all of their misfortunes, they will routinely complain about exes, they will have problems with their coworkers if they even some how manage to have a job.

Dude, consider yourself blessed. You are now free and clear of the killing zone. You got the fuck out alive.

I got to tell you...There is nothing as exciting as fucking in a minefield. Of course until your dick gets blown the fuck off.



This made me literally laugh out loud, but it's so very true.


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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 2:59:57 PM   
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That would have ruled M and I out from the word *go*......LOL

(added)...It's not the problems...it's how they're being dealt with.


agirl


There are challenges, and then there are problems... I define health matters, temporary financial setbacks, issues with one's family, to be challenges...

On the other hand, those who have chronic economic problems due to irresponsibility, cause the family issues, and create their own health matters have "problems"

Challenges can be met and overcome... problems not so much.


I call a problem a problem and a challenge a challenge. I've got a problem with my hips and it's a juicy challenge to overcome it......but I've still got a problem with my hips ....lol

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 3:30:36 PM   
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Whip, my brother, way too much emotional involvement.

This is like 'Nam out here, man! You can't afford to get too close because a lot of these fuckers ain't gonna be around here in the morning.


Dude, be glad this shit is behind you, if not, in time it soon enough will be.

Here is a tip...Stop fucking the crazies! Look, my brother, I know that fucking "the crazies" is some of the best fucking pussy one can ever obtain, but the long term costs are never worth the few memorable squirts.


Remember this shit that you are currently going through the next time you are staring a va-jay-jay square in the eye. Before you dive head first into the fucker take a very good look at the fucking thing that fucker is attached to. Is it sane? If not, just drop your goop and then tell them that your name is willbeurdaddy and get the fuck out of there.

Once your blood pressure has leveled off and the stroke has passed you are going to see how you really screwed the pooch on this one.

You believed the bitch but ignored all of the signs. You were looking at her slit instead of listening to her words and tracking her actions.

Another great thing about the crazies is that they are in fact fucking crazy. They will always blame others for all of their misfortunes, they will routinely complain about exes, they will have problems with their coworkers if they even some how manage to have a job.

Dude, consider yourself blessed. You are now free and clear of the killing zone. You got the fuck out alive.

I got to tell you...There is nothing as exciting as fucking in a minefield. Of course until your dick gets blown the fuck off.



Domi.....

Dude, seriously? You rock!!! I will, have, and forever remain grateful for your point of view.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 5:40:00 PM   
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I woke up a little bit ago, snagged some Pepsi. Sort of scratching my head over this thread and the combination of two things that triggered it. I make jokes about doing Reality Checks at times.

Logically, I can not ignore what I saw (actions) not matching up with words. The way my mind works, I'm going to be asking questions similar to this...

"Okay If you're too sick to cut the grass, how is it that you're well enough to go jogging in the park?"

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 5:42:59 PM   
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I love Domi, in his many aspects.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 6:27:35 PM   
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I love Domi, in his many aspects.


Indeed.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 7:16:23 PM   
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A friend once referred to such people as "emotional vampires".  Evidently you've run into one... maybe two?!!

My best advice... forget it.  No point in giving another (who's lied) the ability to ruin your day, week, month, or whatever.  I promise you... in the internet land of BDSM, this will not be the last person to do this.



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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/29/2011 8:14:49 PM   
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A friend once referred to such people as "emotional vampires".  Evidently you've run into one... maybe two?!!

My best advice... forget it.  No point in giving another (who's lied) the ability to ruin your day, week, month, or whatever.  I promise you... in the internet land of BDSM, this will not be the last person to do this.

The first 'One' without a doubt... the other one...not so. The other one in question, from what I can make of it, has been through an extremely bad relationship that turned mentally and physically abusive (literally). She's changed, not the same person I once knew years ago.

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RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy - 5/30/2011 1:57:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


Logically, I can not ignore what I saw (actions) not matching up with words. The way my mind works, I'm going to be asking questions similar to this...

"Okay If you're too sick to cut the grass, how is it that you're well enough to go jogging in the park?"


not my business at all, but whats with the present tense, i thought the whole point of this thread was to let em have it broadside - you know Asta La Vista Baby - and leave.

so actually, in a way, youve kinda manipulated us a tad - and this other bird - pot kettle black?

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