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Whiplashsmile4 -> The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 12:56:28 AM)
It's been a long time, since I started a thread of any great substantial depth. I'm not the same person per se that I once was. I have more than one reason for starting this thread. Dare I admit, even ulterior motives. So what I have to express not only goes out to people on the message board, it's also with the intention of 2 specific people to read. The topic being "The Bullshit Game of Empathy", which in itself seems to be a reoccurring theme on the message board. Those crafty clever excuses/lies people pull out to avoid the truth, not accept responsibility or just plain touch your heart. However, with the added touch of emotionally manipulating your compassion. Worse, yet if you don't fucking play along then you're made out to be the bad person, or worse yet you actually end up feeling bad. Generally speaking, this where somebody either fabricates a complete story...or uses something awful that really has happened as an excuse. After all how mad can you be at somebody, that stood you up, when there was a death in the family? When there car broke down and they had to walk for miles (elaborate story with lot's of details). Even more amazing is how they use past stories of shit that did really happen at one time to feed you, so that way they can keep their story straight. What better way to tap into making somebody care about you, then to play upon their own human compassion even? Suddenly, you become more concerned about the other persons welfare and well being as opposed to having hard feeling over something that's petty in comparison. Some people actually bait and lure people into their world by laying out a completely false sob story on their profile. I'm not saying that all sob stories ain't real. Some of them actually are. However, for some people they know full well that they are hoping to bait somebody in. I'm writing from a more generalized point of view right now. So it gives people in general something to seriously think about. Some people won't think twice about making up stories about Cancer, Pregnancy, Medical Issues, Deaths, Family Crisis and a slew of other bullshit. This is Empathy Manipulation at it's extreme. Not everybody is extreme. I personally dealt this madness in it's extreme form. Worse yet, how the game is played on you will, and I assure you this will bring you down. The none extreme forms of it, is using something that really happened as an Excuse. Such as their Car really did break down in the rain, however they did not bother calling you as promised, yet they could call all kinds of people looking for help on their cell phone. Somebody being so sick they can't IM with you because they need their rest to recover, yet can spend time otherwise online reading things and interacting with other people. The whole "Ferris Bueller" run around, instead of being straight up with you about shit. It's pretty amazing the amount of lies or untruths people tell, which are centered around manipulating the empathy of another person. I'd like to still like I'm a half way decent human being that sincerely cares about people. That my give-a-damn is not fully busted. However, I find it difficult to ignore it. When my gut instinct Spidey senses are off the charts, and things don't add up right. Yet I'm expected to be that good kind, loving and understanding person. This just pisses me off now days! What I really despise with passion, is when you confront somebody on this, and they accuse you of creating Drama or trying to make you feel like shit about it. I despise it was a passion that I'll burn the bridge with a gasoline, pull the pin on the hand grenade and get things the fuck over and done with. Why? Because I deserve and simply want better, and I expect better. If you sincerely want to see how much of a heartless bastard I can be, play this game with me and you're ass is gone. I don't give a shit about how patient and understand us Doms are supposed to be. I will roll the way I need to be, to be true to myself. Which is another Bullshit game people play!! Dominants or submissive are supposed to be this that or another fucking way. I will assure anybody I'm more than happy to stand out from behind whatever label or title and give them a piece of the real human being that's me. I'll crank up Alice Coopers "No More Mr. Nice Guy" with an attitude too.

sunshinemiss -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 1:07:43 AM)
Feel better now?

LadyPact -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 1:24:09 AM)
I'm just going to say that I'm glad I wasn't the target. At the same time, I'm going to be really frank with you, Whip. Here are some real life events that have actually happened. I really did have a front end collision driving on My way to pick clip up for a munch. It scared the crap out of Me at the time. I did have the sense to call, but I contacted My other half first. That story that's on the boards about clip borrowing a car to try to find where My accident happened really is true. I really did receive an incorrect diagnosis at one time for cervical cancer. I didn't know it was wrong at the time. (Oh, by the way, the intern punctured My cervix during the exam.) When I went back for the six month follow up, some dumb-ass called Me and read Me the incorrect result from the prior test. I really have cancelled trips out of town due to weather. Three times, actually. The funniest one was that it snowed in My location in California for the first time in ten years. Now, I'm no drama llama, but these things really have happened over the last five years. When they did, I'd have been more than happy to back up My story. You have to look at these things from that angle.

gungadin09 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 1:26:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 The topic being "The Bullshit Game of Empathy", which in itself seems to be a reoccurring theme on the message board... The whole "Ferris Bueller" run around, instead of being straight up with you about shit. It's pretty amazing the amount of lies or untruths people tell, which are centered around manipulating the empathy of another person. Some people around here really need help or advice. Others are just bucking for attention and sympathy. Then there's the third category of people who really need help AND want attention. It's usually clear which category a poster falls into, but not always. There are also some strange stories that get put out there, and it's not always possible to tell when someone's lying or being manipulative. But if i thought they were, i simply wouldn't take them seriously. It's easy. No one can "make" you feel guilty. ...Which is another Bullshit game people play!! Dominants or submissive are supposed to be this that or another fucking way. I will assure anybody I'm more than happy to stand out from behind whatever label or title and give them a piece of the real human being that's me. I'll crank up Alice Coopers "No More Mr. Nice Guy" with an attitude too. i'm not sure this qualifies as a thread of substantial depth. It seems more like a rant to me. No one here is making you do anything. They are not "making" you feel sympathy or guilt. They are not "making" you adhere to some kind of standard for what you're "supposed" to be like. If this rant is referring to something specific, then i guess i must have missed it. i don't know precisely what you're talking about. But if you really want to be Alice Cooper, knock yourself out. pam

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 1:42:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm just going to say that I'm glad I wasn't the target. At the same time, I'm going to be really frank with you, Whip. Here are some real life events that have actually happened. I really did have a front end collision driving on My way to pick clip up for a munch. It scared the crap out of Me at the time. I did have the sense to call, but I contacted My other half first. That story that's on the boards about clip borrowing a car to try to find where My accident happened really is true. I really did receive an incorrect diagnosis at one time for cervical cancer. I didn't know it was wrong at the time. (Oh, by the way, the intern punctured My cervix during the exam.) When I went back for the six month follow up, some dumb-ass called Me and read Me the incorrect result from the prior test. I really have cancelled trips out of town due to weather. Three times, actually. The funniest one was that it snowed in My location in California for the first time in ten years. Now, I'm no drama llama, but these things really have happened over the last five years. When they did, I'd have been more than happy to back up My story. You have to look at these things from that angle. Ladypact... I know and sincerely know that these kinds of things do happen in life. Hell, I'm a moving target for crazy things to happen at times too. Sincerely, as long as these things are for real. It's not an issue. There are those people that do make up things. To the point it's surreal. I was involved with somebody for nearly three years, somebody that I visited in the Real Time. Somebody that when I was being told this stuff to. I assumed it was for real. Many things, I never even once doubted as not not being true. Sincerely, I myself have had crazy things happen to me. What is sad, is when you've been involved with them. Then slowly but surely the elaborate ball of deception starts to become undone. I sincerely even tried to confront her about why? why the lies? and what was the real truth? To this day, I still don't know. I will never know. However, it was truly an earth shattering reality that hit me. When I sat down and realized exactly what had happened. The complete play upon Empathy. When things are really real and one is being straight up, that's wonderful. Extremely wonderful. I totally understand where you are coming from. What blew my mind away is that I would never dream of manipulating anybody with such lies and playing upon their empathy to like this. When somebody drops dead in my family, it's for real. I don't make up stories about a death and going to a funeral for a whole weekend, or some untrue sob story. There are people really like this, what makes me sick to my own stomach is to have had so much shit.. or rather been hood winked for so long. My visits to she her were rather threatening because it risked exposing the truth. She made sure to minimize these risks. The more I visited and was wanting something more real, is when things started to get really off more and more.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:00:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 quote: i'm not sure this qualifies as a thread of substantial depth. It seems more like a rant to me. No one here is making you do anything. They are not "making" you feel sympathy or guilt. They are not "making" you adhere to some kind of standard for what you're "supposed" to be like. If this rant is referring to something specific, then i guess i must have missed it. i don't know precisely what you're talking about. But if you really want to be Alice Cooper, knock yourself out. pam It's a rant! It's also a very real topic as well. It's both at the same time. I could have worded it in a manner, that excluded nor contained a rant. Yet, I did not do this. I've opted to be rather transparent about it. Gasp Gasp!! Yes, I'm on a rant. Gee, I didn't realize that I was not not on one in the posting either. I hate to bust your bubble! But somebody did try to play the Make me adhere card on me!! YES, it's somebody off this site! So you are sadly mistaken with "NOBODY HERE" comment!! Why else do you think I would post such a comment? I was straight up about having ulterior motives also connected in posting the thread. You're right about no one here is making me do anything. The point I'm stressing is that nobody is going to either!! (do you see where I'm coming from now?). The point to be made, is that some people play this game. Even people you've known or think you've known for awhile.

needlesandpins -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:02:14 AM)
fr i too see this thread more as a rant. the fact that you say you are hoping that two particular people read it seems to me that you have a beef with them over something. would it not be better to just speak to them if it gets your pip that much. it's rather sweep all to say that there are so many people that you just know are lying. you don't know most of the people personally that you are aiming that at. if you do then again speak to them about it instead of brushing a whole heap of people with your lier brush. as for me, well if i put something personal in a thread it's to try and help explain why i have the opinion, or feel the way i do about things. i certainly don't want people feeling sorry for me, i'm not like that in real life let alone on a board full of strangers. you can't always use a hypothetical example for why you as a person may think or feel a certain way. needles

LadyPact -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:15:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 Ladypact... I know and sincerely know that these kinds of things do happen in life. Hell, I'm a moving target for crazy things to happen at times too. Sincerely, as long as these things are for real. It's not an issue. There are those people that do make up things. To the point it's surreal. I was involved with somebody for nearly three years, somebody that I visited in the Real Time. Somebody that when I was being told this stuff to. I assumed it was for real. Many things, I never even once doubted as not not being true. Sincerely, I myself have had crazy things happen to me. What is sad, is when you've been involved with them. Then slowly but surely the elaborate ball of deception starts to become undone. I sincerely even tried to confront her about why? why the lies? and what was the real truth? To this day, I still don't know. I will never know. However, it was truly an earth shattering reality that hit me. When I sat down and realized exactly what had happened. The complete play upon Empathy. When things are really real and one is being straight up, that's wonderful. Extremely wonderful. I totally understand where you are coming from. What blew my mind away is that I would never dream of manipulating anybody with such lies and playing upon their empathy to like this. When somebody drops dead in my family, it's for real. I don't make up stories about a death and going to a funeral for a whole weekend, or some untrue sob story. There are people really like this, what makes me sick to my own stomach is to have had so much shit.. or rather been hood winked for so long. My visits to she her were rather threatening because it risked exposing the truth. She made sure to minimize these risks. The more I visited and was wanting something more real, is when things started to get really off more and more. As I see it, I don't have to invent crap. Life on life's terms is more than enough for anybody. Funerals? We've had a few of those. We just went through losing MP's Mom. His Dad the year before. Really weird because it was lung cancer in both cases. My brother two years before that. I don't even want to say the military services we've been to over the years. It's not like you just don't go. I'd want people from the unit (or prior unit) to be there for Me if My other half died. During a discussion on another thread, someone or another mentioned that it's instinctive to lie. I don't really see it that way. Dishonesty is not a natural trait. It has everything to do with nurture. It's only when we learn that there is a negative consequence associated with telling the truth that we lie. We learn this incentive from a very early age, but that doesn't make it instinctive. It's a learned behavior. I am sorry that you are hurting over this. When folks put a high priority on honesty, it can be very difficult when they have interactions with those who have deceived them. My mailbox is open, should you need it.

DeviantMan -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:15:06 AM)
Since this is one of those rare moments, when someone (absolutely justified, if you ask me) brings up this subject... I have a simple philosophy over the matter, which has proven itself trustworthy, for me at least, over the years. There is a main difference between somebody that has a bad luck streak, with examples like Ladypact mentioned, or less critical, or even more critical, and somebody that uses those examples, real or not alike, as a public display. Coming to the point of view of the "misfortunate" person, someone that is really in the middle of some crisis, serious or not, will most likely not make his/her life a public display, and will only inform a strict number of people about it. Ideally, he, or she, will accept consequences for any inconvenience occurred, without even bothering to explain (Personally, I've done so, when giving out an excuse, even if it was real, was the least I had in my priorities, in the middle of some shitty crisis) On the other hand, someone that will start spreading his misfortune, accident, or bad phase to everyone, is bound to have an agenda. We tend to be defensive and shelled up, when we are under pressure, or in a bad streak, and sharing our "weakness" is always a "no" option, unless the receiver of our story is someone we trust completely. Personally, I try to see the "hints" of someone, and I will adjust what to expect accordingly. It's not a failsafe solution of course, as I've been wrong in the past, more than enough times, but it saves the inner pain, in a good majority of the cases.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:25:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins fr i too see this thread more as a rant. the fact that you say you are hoping that two particular people read it seems to me that you have a beef with them over something. would it not be better to just speak to them if it gets your pip that much. it's rather sweep all to say that there are so many people that you just know are lying. you don't know most of the people personally that you are aiming that at. if you do then again speak to them about it instead of brushing a whole heap of people with your lier brush. as for me, well if i put something personal in a thread it's to try and help explain why i have the opinion, or feel the way i do about things. i certainly don't want people feeling sorry for me, i'm not like that in real life let alone on a board full of strangers. you can't always use a hypothetical example for why you as a person may think or feel a certain way. needles Some of the examples I've used are not hypothetical. I also not lumping everybody into this category either. Jesus Fuck Christ!! Tell you what!! You want more details of the ugly truth!! Try this on for size!! The person you are involved with, becomes pregnant while having cancer that came out of remission yet they won't get an abortion because of their religious beliefs...and their life is at Risk! You try wrapping your mind around feeling responsible for it, cause it's partly your fault that they are pregnant. You are sincerely worried about their well being. You've having to deal with hours of phone calls being supportive and their for them. In the mean time you digress to a point of stressed out with worry for them. Because you sincere care!! Only to the joke is on you! None of it really ever fucking happened! Just like how her grandmother never died and there never really was a fucking funeral!! It's pretty low of you to sit there behind your PC and tell me I'm using Hypothetical Shit HERE!! YES, I'm clearly expressing Why I feel and think the way I do on this Subject! I'm sharing exactly why and how I personally relate to this topic. It's very up front and personal.

LadyPact -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:32:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeviantMan I have a simple philosophy over the matter, which has proven itself trustworthy, for me at least, over the years. There is a main difference between somebody that has a bad luck streak, with examples like Ladypact mentioned, or less critical, or even more critical, and somebody that uses those examples, real or not alike, as a public display. Coming to the point of view of the "misfortunate" person, someone that is really in the middle of some crisis, serious or not, will most likely not make his/her life a public display, and will only inform a strict number of people about it. Ideally, he, or she, will accept consequences for any inconvenience occurred, without even bothering to explain (Personally, I've done so, when giving out an excuse, even if it was real, was the least I had in my priorities, in the middle of some shitty crisis) On the other hand, someone that will start spreading his misfortune, accident, or bad phase to everyone, is bound to have an agenda. We tend to be defensive and shelled up, when we are under pressure, or in a bad streak, and sharing our "weakness" is always a "no" option, unless the receiver of our story is someone we trust completely. Personally, I try to see the "hints" of someone, and I will adjust what to expect accordingly. It's not a failsafe solution of course, as I've been wrong in the past, more than enough times, but it saves the inner pain, in a good majority of the cases. I don't know if I entirely agree with this. I'm pretty open around this place. Most of the long term regulars have seen My difficulties in life from time to time. Sorry to put it this way, but it's a life..... Not a hayride. Being a Dominant woman isn't some automatic get out of jail free card. I sincerely want people to know that. If a person is going to bring the good stuff to these boards, they should be able to bring the bad stuff, too. It's the humanity part of it.

gungadin09 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:37:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 I hate to bust your bubble! But somebody did try to play the Make me adhere card on me!! YES, it's somebody off this site! So you are sadly mistaken with "NOBODY HERE" comment!! No, i wasn't, because i said that no one here is MAKING you adhere to their standard, and not no one here is trying. They can try all they want. If they succeed, it's because you let them. Why else do you think I would post such a comment? I was straight up about having ulterior motives also connected in posting the thread. In that case, maybe it would be better to write them an email. Or maybe whoever you're addressing this to will eventually shed some light on it. However, i'm responding to the thread as it was written, and it was written to give not much clue as to what you're talking about. i can't judge your ulterior motives, because i don't know what they are. i'm sincerely sorry if somebody played on your sympathy. But i can't comment on what i don't know. You're right about no one here is making me do anything. The point I'm stressing is that nobody is going to either!! (do you see where I'm coming from now?). Honestly, no. The point to be made, is that some people play this game. Even people you've known or think you've known for awhile. Dishonesty bugs me too. i'm sorry about whatever it was. pam

needlesandpins -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins fr i too see this thread more as a rant. the fact that you say you are hoping that two particular people read it seems to me that you have a beef with them over something. would it not be better to just speak to them if it gets your pip that much. it's rather sweep all to say that there are so many people that you just know are lying. you don't know most of the people personally that you are aiming that at. if you do then again speak to them about it instead of brushing a whole heap of people with your lier brush. as for me, well if i put something personal in a thread it's to try and help explain why i have the opinion, or feel the way i do about things. i certainly don't want people feeling sorry for me, i'm not like that in real life let alone on a board full of strangers. you can't always use a hypothetical example for why you as a person may think or feel a certain way. needles Some of the examples I've used are not hypothetical. I also not lumping everybody into this category either. Jesus Fuck Christ!! Tell you what!! You want more details of the ugly truth!! Try this on for size!! The person you are involved with, becomes pregnant while having cancer that came out of remission yet they won't get an abortion because of their religious beliefs...and their life is at Risk! You try wrapping your mind around feeling responsible for it, cause it's partly your fault that they are pregnant. You are sincerely worried about their well being. You've having to deal with hours of phone calls being supportive and their for them. In the mean time you digress to a point of stressed out with worry for them. Because you sincere care!! Only to the joke is on you! None of it really ever fucking happened! Just like how her grandmother never died and there never really was a fucking funeral!! It's pretty low of you to sit there behind your PC and tell me I'm using Hypothetical Shit HERE!! YES, I'm clearly expressing Why I feel and think the way I do on this Subject! I'm sharing exactly why and how I personally relate to this topic. It's very up front and personal. erm...... i was using YOU as generic and not aimied directly at you in person. as in not everyone is lying if they include something personal. it's not always the sympathy trip they are after, just to try and help others understand them better. a hypothetical can be ripped apart as to why someone may feel/think a certain way. if thinking is based on reality it's easier to see the point. sorry for the confusion. i also feel for your above situation. you're right, it's shitty in the least. i can't say anything else i'm afraid. needles

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:43:14 AM)
Ever since the end of Jan, I've only told two people about what happened. In some regards, because I was simply ashamed to let people know that I let somebody pull the wool over my eyes like this. Shame! It was one big mysterious Break up! Whenever my Mom, half brother or sisters would ask about her. I kept it extremely simply with "It's not and I don't want to talk about it". I've kept this a secret with my friends even. One big Mysterious Break Up! For months, I've been deadly quiet about it. Hell, I've not even posted a hint about it on here. Not until tonight when responding to another thread. I'm not going to pretend this ain't personal. I'm sick to death of being quiet about it! Hell, this is probably one of topics people don't like to share much about either. Because of a certain amount of shame involved.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 2:48:59 AM)
It actually makes me feel rather stupid that I could let somebody take and reduce me down to an emotional train wreck!! Even sicker knowing that they sat on the other end of the phone, knowing full damn well it's impact and toll it was taking on me personally. It makes me sick to death knowing that I was mere silly putty being fucked and toyed around with... and clearly truly did nothing for my self esteem in the end. Let alone feeling as if I was a Dominant man in the end of it all. More like some chewed up mush spit up on the side walk.

gungadin09 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 3:00:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 It actually makes me feel rather stupid that I could let somebody take and reduce me down to an emotional train wreck!! For what it's worth i don't think that's stupid or shameful in the least. You acted like a human being. NOT feeling in that situation would have been something to be ashamed of. And if someone took advantage, then that reflects badly on them, not on you. Hugs. pam

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 3:08:02 AM)
There's other aspects of shame connected with it to!! Because I ended up asking my Dr. for Tranquilizers because I was so stressed out over the pregnancy madness. I ain't never had to ever ever resort to taking those before. I've been through some stressful things. Never to the point of popping pills to hold my ass together like that. This is something too, that I kept private about. However, she was fully aware of me going to the Dr. and getting something to help hold me together through this shit. So jokes on me!! I was taking and popping Tranquilizers over what? Made up Bullshit? Yeah, makes me feel so damn fucking proud about that one. This little chapter of my life or dark adventure I went through is surreal... I could sell the story line to quentin tarantino.

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 3:40:31 AM)
Makes me sick, all the thought I put into holiday gifts, care packages, cards and letters. Taking time to hunt down and find the perfect gifts for her and her daughter. All the little mental footnotes and meaningful connections to things. The time going to the gift shops looking high and low for things. I'm sitting here thinking about one lady in a shop saying to me, about how thoughtful I was in what I looking for. That most men don't do this. How it was pleasure watching me shop. (that was wonderful moment in crossing paths with a complete stranger). The flowers I sent. There's something special about shopping for somebody you actually love. Makes me sick thinking about this now. I sent her flowers at times when she was going through some of the bullshit she was going through. Do I feel emotionally conned? You betcha I do. This kind of shit, I never would have dream in a million years... that there's actually people out there in the world this manipulative. You might hear about on talk shows, read about it from time to time. But by and far you think that most of society ain't this way. The last place you're expecting for it to hit, is home. Sad, to say... just like it is on the Talk shows and shit. You don't even know it's going on for the longest time. While I don't know what her issues are... I'm not an expect. It resembles Anti-Social Personality Disorder in many ways. The whole emotional manipulation routines and such. I always thought of myself as being smarter, and that I'd never get mixed up with anybody like this. Always thought i was better Judge of Character and such. I've always took pride in getting to know somebody I was with inside and out. That I sincerely would pick up on little things. Yet, my own senses failed me. Blinded at times by Empathy. I can look back and see where she played that card, whenever I would question a few things. So easy to invent another crisis and use it as a distraction. It's like a magicians slight of hand move. To use distraction. Tell you what, it's pretty damn fucking effective and it works. This form of mental or emotional manipulation. It's disturbing how skilled at it some people really are. It's an art form all in itself. Professional Con of sorts. In hind-sight I see things way too clearly now. I'm spinning down from the rant. At least I'm not in some pissed off state at the moment. I don't know if this thread is helpful to anybody, besides myself at the moment. Perhaps somebody has been through this before. It's certainly nothing I'd wish on anybody. There's a hell of a lot of other things, she was less than honest about. Those things were no where near as damning to the soul as the one major thing I've already shared. REALLY DARK SHIT HERE Until you know the feeling of getting down on your hands and knees and praying to GOD for a miscarriage to happen! Asking God to take a human life to save another!! Then having it Play out just like that!! You want to talk about being Spiritually RIPPED the FUCK up too???Feeling Ashamed of PRAYING to GOD for something so Fucking Awful!! Let's talk about Self esteem! and some real intense Darkness on the Spiritual Levels. What's pathetic is that this was needless thing I went through! Joke was fucking on me. Truly Awful Experience! for what?

ranja -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 3:50:22 AM)
everybody has their own version of the truth and everybody slips on their own shit sometimes. praying to god is nothing more than making a wish... and some wishes come true and others don't beating yourself up over things usually does not help much some people deserve empathy and others don't sometimes it is very difficult to decide which is which and a mistake might be made... shit happens

LadyConstanze -> RE: The Bullshit Game of Empathy (5/29/2011 4:00:18 AM)
Take a deep breath... Look, I've been conned before, I possibly will be conned again, in some ways I am a soft touch. But at the end of the day, I'll live with my karma and they live with theirs, and I wouldn't want to have theirs...

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