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Burchill has spent most of her career as a columnist lying through her teeth and altering facts in hindsight to make herself look better. The column I've linked to is an obvious case of this, particularly as her complaints about liberal jewbashing appears to be more an excuse to have a go at Richard Ingrams than anything else.

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Let the games go on then.

Your US-centric view doesn't work here BTW. There are people way too smart for you. They have real info, news and freedoms that are beyond your grasp. Go figure. Sheeple.

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I note that all of our resident voluble pro-Zionists - usually they can't be shut up - still remain unable or unwilling to address or even comment upon any of the reports in the OP. Do they seriously believe that the massive systematic abuses described in the OP are going to go away if they pretend they don't exist?

You want any expression of support for Israel to literally "shut up". That is obvious throughout with your comments on "Zionists" which you make out to be liars.

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I said it five times already but it looks like I'll have to say it again. You posted extracts from 18 articles. That doesn't invite analysis or discussion unlike one or two articles which is da norm for OPs. The huge amount of material makes most readers take it at face value so it looks like propaganda cause few have time to weigh da differing accounts of 18 contentious events

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You speak of insult as if you accomplished that by calling me Bubba. You didn't even come close, and at least half the members here will tell you that you have not the mentality to even begin to insult me, any more than a flea. And some of those are my adversaries here. Welcome to hell, snowball.

Fucking ask them.

The debate is fine, but YOU started the name calling and I am too good to finish it.

Deal with it, out here in the court of public opinion. And remember all your words are here for perpetuity, in case you didn't know. Now do you want to get rid of the Bubba shit and talk ? Or would you rather sink to the bottom and have this whole fucking thread pulled ?

Your call Professor.

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"Its clear there's no point debatin' with you Bubba."

You haven't the foggiest idea how to debate. You know what, if I were a pro-Zionist I would throw you the fuck out. I would consider you a liability.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Burchill has spent most of her career as a columnist lying through her teeth and altering facts in hindsight to make herself look better. The column I've linked to is an obvious case of this, particularly as her complaints about liberal jewbashing appears to be more an excuse to have a go at Richard Ingrams than anything else.

Columnists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnist are also journalists. So you think it is an excuse to bash Ingrams? She has written bout this topic on a few occasions. You misled with a quote from her article to make her look anti-Semitic. You dislike her a lot which means you read anything she did negatively so your views may be taken with a pinch o' salt.

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ORIGINAL: How la Burch left the Gaurdian over a pay squabble, joined the Times, was fired by the Times, and then rejoined the repulsively antisemtic Guardian...

For five years until 2003 Burchill wrote a weekly column in The Guardian. Appointed in 1998 by Orr, while editor of the Guardian Weekend supplement, Burchill's career was in trouble; she had been sacked by the revived Punch magazine. Burchill frequently thanks Orr for rescuing her. One of the pieces she wrote for The Guardian was in reaction to the murder of BBC TV presenter Jill Dando in 1999. She compared the shock of Dando's murder to finding a "tarantula in a punnet full of strawberries". In 2002 she narrowly escaped prosecution for incitement to racial hatred, "following a Guardian column where she described Ireland as being synonymous with child molestation, Nazi-sympathising, and the oppression of women."
Burchill left The Guardian acrimoniously, saying in an interview that they had offered her a sofa in lieu of a pay rise. She claims to have left the newspaper in protest at what she saw as its "vile anti-Semitism".
She moved to The Times, who were more willing to meet her demands, doubling her previous salary at the Guardian. Shortly after starting her weekly column, she referred to George Galloway, but appeared to confuse him with former MP Ron Brown, reporting the misdeeds of Brown as those of Galloway, "he incited Arabs to fight British troops in Iraq". Galloway threatened legal action which was averted when she apologised and The Times paid damages.
In 2006 The Times dropped her Saturday column, and arranged a more flexible arrangement with Burchill writing for the daily paper. Later it emerged during a Guardian interview, published on 4 August 2008, that eventually she "was given the jolly old heave ho" by The Times, and paid off for the last year of her three year contract, still receiving the £300,000 she would have earned if she had been obliged to provide copy. She later described her columns for her abbreviated Times contract, which ended abruptly in 2007, thus: "I was totally taking the piss. I didn't spend much time on them and they were such arrant crap."
In February 2006, she announced plans for a year's sabbatical from journalism, planning, among other things, to study theology. She had previously, in 1999, 'found God', and become a Lutheran. In June 2007, she announced that she would not be returning to journalism, but instead concentrate on writing books and TV scripts and finally undertake a theology degree, but she returned to writing for The Guardian newspaper.

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I note that all of our resident voluble pro-Zionists - usually they can't be shut up - still remain unable or unwilling to address or even comment upon any of the reports in the OP. Do they seriously believe that the massive systematic abuses described in the OP are going to go away if they pretend they don't exist?

You want any expression of support for Israel to literally "shut up". That is obvious throughout with your comments on "Zionists" which you make out to be liars.

Actually asking questions is one of inviting people to respond, not shut up. So you got that one completely back to front. I was inviting our resident Zionists to respond to the OP. Which, to date they have pointedly failed to do. A consistent record of failure that, I note, your post maintains. Why? Your excuse is:

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I said it five times already but it looks like I'll have to say it again. You posted extracts from 18 articles. That doesn't invite analysis or discussion unlike one or two articles which is da norm for OPs. The huge amount of material makes most readers take it at face value so it looks like propaganda cause few have time to weigh da differing accounts of 18 contentious events

Several people have invited you several times to pick a single report then and comment on it. Which you are continuing to fail to do...... Why? If 18 reports are "too many" then surely a comment on just one report is not asking too much.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Burchill has spent most of her career as a columnist lying through her teeth and altering facts in hindsight to make herself look better. The column I've linked to is an obvious case of this, particularly as her complaints about liberal jewbashing appears to be more an excuse to have a go at Richard Ingrams than anything else.

Columnists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnist are also journalists. So you think it is an excuse to bash Ingrams? She has written bout this topic on a few occasions. You misled with a quote from her article to make her look anti-Semitic. You dislike her a lot which means you read anything she did negatively so your views may be taken with a pinch o' salt.

Fine. If my opinion of Burchill's insincerity isn't adequete for you, perhaps you'll take wiki's word for it.
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(In the light of the Lutheran conversion, and the antisemitism thing, is it worth pointing out that she's been blathering about converting to Judaism for the last couple of years?)

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You post up 18 stories, some from highly partisan sites like WAFA, PLO news agency dat spread conspiracy for years! They spread stories dat Israel was using some sort of mutant super rats to force Pals out of Jerusalem http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/20/the-top-13-zionist-animal-conspiracy-theories/2/ a few years back! Da point is simple and I said it again an' again. You posted up far too many stories in da OP. Each story cannot be properly debated normally. Focusing on just one is pointless. It legitimises a thread where da OP was loaded against any meaningful discussion. If others disagree they can of course respond to da stories.

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FR

While I usually don't like to kill threads based on a whiney ass . and a bunch of people with brains, it is time.

And Fleshy, that's what you are. I can tell Mom to go fuck herself, I can tell my boss to go fuck himself. In fact I have walked in there at almost closing time, telling him I did coke and that's why I wasn't there, and he fronted me. This is the closest to the "American Dream" gets. It is ending but I do have a contingency pla of course.

Pay your taxes and suppotrt the wars your people want. I don't. I took care of my business and someday you might know my name. From Fox news.

T^Twister !^

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh
You post up 18 stories, some from highly partisan sites like WAFA, PLO news agency dat spread conspiracy for years! They spread stories dat Israel was using some sort of mutant super rats to force Pals out of Jerusalem http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/20/the-top-13-zionist-animal-conspiracy-theories/2/ a few years back! Da point is simple and I said it again an' again. You posted up far too many stories in da OP. Each story cannot be properly debated normally. Focusing on just one is pointless. It legitimises a thread where da OP was loaded against any meaningful discussion. If others disagree they can of course respond to da stories.

So if I start another thread with that single report you will respond to it? That would truly be "pointless" - we both know you will invent another flimsy excuse to weasel out of confronting the truth. Nonetheless, please prove me wrong - I'm happy to do it if you agree to respond to it.

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Such a perverse world you must inhabit when the career path of an over paid self indulgent hack is prioritised and important allegations of systematic child abuse and intimidation at gunpoint by the IDF are ignored. But it's not about the hack at all is it? You couldn’t care less about Ms Burchill’s fate. It's about avoiding evading diverting deflecting hijacking - anything to avoid addressing the issue of IDF's systematic child abuse that has been put to you. You cannot even bring yourself to mention it, to acknowledge the possibility. Instead feeble excuse after feeble excuse is trotted out in a pathetic effort to put a veneer of respectability on your so-eloquent silence.

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One wonders what kind of fascism runs through the Zionist camp to the extent that Zionists prefer silence and the possibility of being identified as a supporter of child abuse than accept that their side might be wrong in this instance. Even our Israeli poster, ProminentTOOL freely admitted there have been cases of unjustifiable killings by the IDF. Israeli soldiers have been convicted by Israeli courts of war crimes. These things happen. They are real. Retreating into blanket denial about them brings up uncomfortable questions about your real motives and your relationship with reality.

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So, why silence? Your point blank refusal to address the allegation speaks volumes. Any open-minded reader will be thinking: 'Is it guilt, hypocrisy, racism/double standards, moral cowardice, neurosis, fanaticism ...or all of the above? Isn’t silence a tacit admission the IDF is guilty as charged? No innocent party would ever let such a monstrous allegation stand unchallenged.”

Many will be wondering about the fascism of a cause that demands such blind unquestioning loyalty, which insists its followers turn a blind eye to the truth. Especially as it concerns systematic institutionalised child abuse and intimidation, which is about as despicable as it gets. What just cause needs such wilful self-delusion? What just cause could possibly need such moral compromise?

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"But I will admit, at least you're not such a pussy that you pulled the race card ..........."

I hereby recant that statement.

T^T